total wild guess. You were yapping a while back that you bought stuff at JHM, none of which shows up in your signature etc. The usual flying tomatoes BS ‘I have their shifter…I’m not trolling them!!!’
People were takling shit, mostly because they are uneducated. We have seen countless examples of a cars performance on a dyno being worlds apart from it’s actual driving dynamics. That is why AR is herer though, because the guys over here understand this shit.
They don’t understand that a heatsoaked car in a mostly enclosed room sitting un the rollers isn’t going to run the same as if it was blasting down the freeway at 100mph.
They don’t understand how smart JHMs calibrator is and can’t comprehend that he may put safeties within his tunes so if the car is heat soaked as fuck…the car/tune protects itself. Remember that heat is bad…that is like how to make power 101 and overheating can be incredibly catastrophic to an aluminum motor!
Your car unfortunately didn’t perform to great at the strip, but the EBwerks exhaust thing is a concern. Numerous cars with that exhaust have put down less than stellar numbers so the conclusion would be the one thing they all have in common.
Don’t bother geting on a dyno again. Get the car right for the fall when it cools down and go make those 11s passes. I know you love the car and the things you have done, but an improperly designed exhaust can’t hurt performance more than one would think (just something I think should be looked into)
lol you’re the one who posted all the thousands of dollars in free shit that AMD gave you (see below). Do you not remember what you posted? You said you were between AMD and JHM. You said Dan was great. Then you said you chose AMD because of ‘interaction’. If Dan was great, what was the interaction problem? The guy from JHM who you were speaking to was great…so what’s the deal?
Later, you admitted AMD gave you literally THOUSANDS of dollars off. I know for a fact what JHM will or won’t do on pricing these kits as I’ve spoken to them. I know for a fact what APR will or won’t do on pricing because they’re APR. You went for AMD because AMD gave you free shit. That’s pretty obvious that you were crossshopping and if AMD offered you what they did, there’s no chance JHM would match it. They don’t give their shit away, nor do they build in massive margins to their products.
Nobody who lives in Norcal and has a brain in their head would buy AMdvivgmg kit unless they were getting it on the cheap and they were someone who shopped on price. You proved that by posting it for us on AZ last week.
But by all means, take up JHM’s customer’s interpretation of your internet posts with JHM. I’m sure they will love to hear from you. Not like they’re running a multi million dollar business or anything. They’re probably just waiting for your call.
[quote=tridoctor]Here what I paid:
$10,990 for the base kit
$2990 upgrade for the HP kit which includes all necessary hardware
$780 single mass billet steel flywheel
$150 oil change
$25 fuel filter
$45 air filter
NC ECU tuning
NC Spark plugs
NC Coolant flush and refill
Supreme Power and Jason coordinated a promotional that included
AMD Stage 3 Clutch
Clutch install
Carbon clean
Discounted labor SC installation
Extra parts and labor that I paid for. There was some oily residue in the expansion tank.
$250 Coolant cooled oil cooler
$480 4hr install
$40 coolant expansion tank
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So they literally gave you thousands of dollars in free shit. Probably a $5,000 discount. That’s great for you. Don’t act like you didn’t post it though.
NC ECU tuning - this is normally $1000 yes?
NC Spark plugs - $100
NC Coolant flush and refill - $100
Supreme Power and Jason coordinated a promotional that included
AMD Stage 3 Clutch - $1000
Clutch install - $1000
Carbon clean - $600
Discounted labor SC installation - $1200-1500 (although it took them a week …so who knows lol)
So there you go…$5,000 they gave you back in order to move one of the superchargers they are struggling like fuck to sell.
Tridoctor,
You have been an AMD puppet from the start, why tip toe around it? To think a kit that goes on a rare car like an RS4 has tons of overhead is foolish and ironic considering AMD had to give you a bunch of free stuff to slap theirs on your car. They have so much overhead the cut you a deal and gave you free parts? AMD gave you a deal because they can’t give their kit away right now.
“Breach of privacy.” Loller skates
Highly doubt they gave away any info lol wen I bought my last S4 I had a list of every JHM part that was supposedly installed on the car along with ALOT of the PO personal info (address, vin etc from receipts) and JHM wouldn’t even confirm what parts he bought even if I read them off the list.
good words right there!
ill def get the car in the best way possible,i will look into the exhaust set up! thanks
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‘soft tune’
your friend Gary/tridoctor/gesTTalt told us in his 2nd post, months ago -
‘soaking hot’
You dyno’d at 034 in california…not to mention you are forcing boosted (friction heated) air into the engine, and have no intercooling, all while sitting static. Further, other people from the dyno day posted their results, and conditions. -
‘7600 rpm’
Someone posted a video of your car on the dyno on a sunny day at 034 on youtube, and I saw it right away and commentedthat it sounded short of redline (this was 4 months ago). I have taken my Rs4 to redline more times than you have probably put your Gi on :), and it didn’t sound the same. Note the image below showing the date of my comment. Your dyno has been discussed here and on AZ and the low RPM finish spot was one hypothesis . Your quarter mile times indicate maybe the exhaust is holding you back.
note the date
Can you elaborate? This is an extremely vague (and strange) reason to choose the AMD kit. What interactions are we talking about here?
hey saki if u do push your car to the red line more times then i put my GI on, u def know how to enjoy your RS:)! Keep pushing that thing is made for that!
First off, congratulations on getting supercharged. It makes for a fun addition to the RS4. I like to stay out of these threads, however, Tridoctor I think this might be helpful.
The company you bought your part from has taken part in many attacks on other companies products, customers and supporters of both.
How does this affect you?
Well, you seem to be saying the same things people have heard the owner of that company say. So that can look like you’re just passing on a narrative someone may have suggested to you.
Further, this affects you by the fact that the company you bought from was super quick to attack the results of your friend and his supercharger results. I know that the people making the attacks and claims didn’t have a dyno sheet or even proof, but that never stopped them from attacking the results and by extension your friend. Your friend denrs4 (great guy by the way and beautiful car) had to watch as the company you bought from went on and on about his car and his results even though they didn’t know anything. You might have missed these actions, but the majority of the people that populate the forums are aware of this.
Let’s speak on those results for a second. Denrs4, just like every JHM customer, has a tune that is much much quicker to jump into protection mode. Denrs4’s car did what we program it to do and that is register if the environment isn’t safe and then adjust to pull power. So what AMD didn’t know was that denrs4 made the power he made in its protection mode and a MAX RPM of 7600 (throttle starts to close at 7300) oh and that’s with cats on the car. On 034’s new dyno, the JHM stage 1 6psi makes about 415whp on 91. That’s about 10whp less than what you did.
There are a lot of unique options out there for supercharging your RS4. The results that anyone should be looking for or worrying about is customer satisfaction. The logs, the dyno, the testing, should have already been done by now. It’s always a good rule of thumb for companies to be talking about their own cars rather than other companies cars. In the end, you should be happy with what you have. It’s exciting to own a RS4, let alone a supercharged one. Consider yourself lucky and I am sure someone that is about to have a lot of fun with their car.
Lol. Never knew there was a HIPAA law for cars.
Great way to detail the back story and why some members are having a hard time taking tridoctor’s comments as is.
I think it is great these two guys are friends one with a JHM stg 1 SC and one with a AMD HP SC.
Hopefully we can get some honest feedback on how they feel the kits compare.
I am still no buying the EBWerks is holding back the JHM stg 1 SC car. The explanation count provided sounds reasonable…easy way subtract EBWerks from the equation is to swap back the OEM…or maybe JHM should let him borrow one of their exhaust to prove that is the issue. I think the EBWerks comments are just noise.
I am interested in SCing my car and JHM and AMD would be the ones I would be looking at.
Also, AMD did not buy this guy by giving him free parts…it was a promotion that was happening at a few shops. It makes sense that they would want to get a few success stories out there in order to get more traction with their setup.
I have driven in and driven Dave’s car and that was an AMD LP kit and it was quick and sounded awesome through the JHM exhaust.
Very well stated! And this man right here is why JHM should really be the only player in the game. Doesn’t get any better then CV.
Thank you for the information on the context. I can understand how animosity can be fueled. I’m not invested in any company, but rather invested in my car and wanting to get what was advertised (regardless of camps). I appreciate the info on Denis’ car, as well as what’s expected of the kit. It helps put perspective on the different kits.
I’m quite happy with my decision and will be active in trying to resolve issues that are present.
Show me anything where the ebwerks did well. Go on.
The exhaust was engineered for track driving, not for going fast in a straight line.
The exhaust was not engineered, it was replicated by a KID with a pirated version of solid works, lol. There was no R&D or testing, just copying and trying to make a buck.
I’d love to hear an explanation of this :