Where in nj r u. Me and 91 r up by nyc.
Bring it… $$$$$$ what ever amount you want on the street from a dig roll what ever… No b6/b7 s4/rs4 stands a chance
I would like to race as well…i dont car what car platform you have they are all fun…if I had more money i would have a RS4 like sackofmojo and i would spray it and blow it!!! But now i can only afford my two tone imola avant Bfizzle but would like to race
I’m 45 min. North of ac, exit 76 off the parkway.
While I know your excited even you know this isn’t true. The gap is deffinitly getting smaller. The V8 has carved out a good gap. I know the typical B5 guy has a small ego and is very close minded. So Ill chalk your post up to more excited then factual.
I think this entire ryvalry is fucken stupid. They both have something to offer. Its clear most V8 guys are not going to run out and get a B5 and like wise. Why its so hard to enjoy what others haev seems kinda 4th grade to me.
^I don’t get it either. IMO most (not all) are just trying to defend/justify their investment in the platform and keep it as “king” and in ranks of supra power achievements; rather than admit the B6/7 has finally started to catch up/surpass in several areas. Personally I really like the B5, and have several times thought about picking one up to build for big reliable power, but know that means spending money in some crucial areas and doing it right. I may still pick one up, but imo, the “reliable” power car is now the B6/7 platform, and within this year, the 335 is going to be the “big power” platform, not the B5 (support and tuning just can’t be touched in the BMW world for german cars). Billet wheel oem turbo swap 335’s have run 11.1@127 (about $7k all in cost iirc) and single turbo now is over 600whp on a stock motor still (probably less than $10k cost). When will one of those motors pop? No one is really sure, but it is evident they can take quite a beating on all stock motor components.
The B5 will always have allure as a B5 S4 can be picked up for $5-$10k depending on how good of a condition one and what your plans are for it (I’d find one with a trashed motor for pennies and build it personally). And cheap power always has value, appeal, and a following; but the ongoing variables and various dilemmas have stunted the growth for quite a period of time. I think there are some great builds coming out soon, and JHM’s recent involvement & nitrous kit will bring some awesome options/results, but the fact is more and more new cars are able to “easily” attain some serious power (new mustangs for one as well).
I love the b5 but if weew being honest. Its kinda a joke when you look at the B8 and what little it takes to get into the 11’s. Not to say this isn’t making the V8 look any better. Just saying.
I feel its the owners that are more of the issues with the B5 then the car itself. fact of the matter is most of the B5 guys that taks smak don’t even have cars that run
I love the fact that more B5 owners are joining the site and mostly joining in the banter. We seem to be getting a good representation from B5 through to B8. I agree it’s crazy how little it takes to make the B8 fast though.
bravo!
Not me. I’d buy someone’s fully built car. they sell for peanuts. There’s a guy who can’t give his fully built tial 770 car right now on AZ. He’s down to $20,000 I think. That’s what his motor build probably cost.
I started a thread on this once. Was called ‘what does it cost to go 11s on pump gas?’. Is it here somewhere or on AW??
B5 S4 = $8,000 car + $8,000 build (K04 and a nice, full modlist) = $16,000
B6 S4 = $15,000 car + $10,000 SC/exhaust = $25,000
B7 S4 = $20,000 car + $10,000 SC/exhaust = $30,000
B7 RS4 = $35,000 car + $15,000 SC = $50,000 (JHM will be even cheaper)
B8 S4 = nobody has done it yet…however it’s at least a $40,000 used car plus about probably stage III which is $10,000+ = $50,000+
B5 S4 is still king of this list (by a big nickel).
I started the thread because I was tired of people saying the B8 is so ‘cheap’ to mod and go 11s in. When I pointed out the cost of the car ($45,000 minimum back then) + the cost of primetime’s actual modlist (not ‘just a tune’) they went nuts and said I was being ridiculous. I guess B8 S4s are free where they’re from lol. My response was, 'well, in that case, I don’t even need to spend the $7,000 to 10,000 that primetime did if I want to go 11s. Hell, I don’t need to spend a penny…and I can go 10s! I’ll do it for $0 in mods in a 997 II Turbo S PDK. Of course they said ‘that’s ridiculous’. I don’t understand how people can be SO SHIT at comprehension, yet afford a $50,000 car. It’s incredible.
I like that we are seeing a few 2.7t transplants into the b6. I have worked on one and i have a buddy at RAI doing one as well. Imo you get the best of both worlds that way.
I’ve even heard rumors of a w8t cabby s4…
blown motor b6= $4-7k + motor and junk 12k= 16-19k
let’s look at that. I think we can agree that the B8 S4 = B7 RS4 in stock form. The RS4 may have the slightest little edge, but if it’s there, I don’t see it as worth even talking about. Call them equal.
OK.
To get a B8 S4 below 12.50 it takes a $1200 REVO tune…and in coming months we’ll see if that’s the best choice or not after REVO customers have had a chance to test the reliability of the tune. I hear it’s a real knockout :D. If you go APR, you’ll probably struggle to get below 12.50 with just a tune.
To do the same on a B7 RS4 it takes almost nothing (free piggies + $650 tune). The gap is not that big at all. To get deeper into the 12s, you need more mods on your B8 on pump…and you need a full 2.75" exhaust on your RS4 (around $3000 total now)
If you want to talk about race gas, so be it. I don’t really bother thinking about real world fast with respect to race gas, because in order to race me on the highway in a chance encounter, are you going to tell me to follow you to the nearest race gas station…dump out your pump gas…load up your race file…then run me? No. You’re going to run me on 93 or 91 then say ‘but if I had my race file I would have walked him’.
There are half a dozen of those on the go it seems. Pretty cool to see people take those on. Needs to be a newer B5 motor (for CAN) I believe.
it’s also worth mentioning that stock turbo b5 can go low 12’s on 93+meth… turbos won’t last terribly long but my buddy dave saw 12.38 on stock turbo.
it can be done with apb as well.
Yes, very true. Most don’t pick reasonable prices though and even more aren’t what I would call " modded ‘right’ ". Granted you could pull off and sell the unwanted parts for parts you’d like. If I were buying a more expensive turbo/performance car I certainly would be buying one that was already lightly modded. It’s unreal how cheap some of the 996 Turbo guys sell their modded cars for on 6speed etc. Modding that car is BIG money (to audi guys at least) and they sell for almost stock prices but have significant proven performance increases.
Reality (for me at least) is that I’d love to have an old “cheapish” car to build/tinker with/rag out/bring to show condition, but I want RWD to have more “fun” and autocross etc. So that said, I’ll probably never pick up a B5. I’ve heard the ones with RWD conversions just drive like absolute piss so that’s kinda a bummer.
Also, I’ve always enjoyed that comparison of “price” to get into the 11’s. Very interesting to look at, and your point at the RS4 into low 12’s was one most B8’s still do not accept lol. I’d be in a RS4 over a B8 anyday personally, but that’s just my personal choice.
Good points, I didn’t realise the Revo tune cost that much. Does anyone here have the RS4/tune/piggies/otherwise stock exhaust combo? The 1/4 mile list only has cars with totally stock exhausts, SC or JHM 2.75".
That is my buddy and vendor he sells us machine tools for our machine shop, he is coming to the Dino days in Michigan ans to the 1/4 mile track rental
yeah, dan @ JHM (bertworks, bert-o-cho-knee…the man on a mission with no agenda) went 12.2 @ 112 I believe.
on that note, this is awesome…
http://www.streetfire.net/video/stock-s4-turbo-video_157186.htm
^^^ That vid made me LOL. Good stuff
It’s like a badge of honor. 23-24 psi 6k miles of hard use later.
http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww142/judeisnotobscure/imagejpeg_2_10.jpg