B8 S4 headers bank or bust?

[Paperybutnotplasticy]

Paper, your right I don’t have them but I raced a car with nearly identical mods, same day, same track, same time, etc. I ran faster times even though he was 250 300 lighter… Do you not get that? How is that hate? That’s about as good as you’ll get…

As for my times not being comparable to ec’s that’s not true… That’s why the da is important… Yep they have the best mph, congrats to them and their pro driver… I have only trapped mid 119’s but that was running a slightly better 11.7x to their 12.5 lol. Heck I ran a better ET then their 12.13 with v1 apr tune, catback, and intake and out trapped them by 3mph… Their 120 was/is a fluke that they wouldn’t get today if they went… Lets be real… I know I know there are no tracks in your area…

Imola’s times that day must have been a fluke too then? Like I said you ran better times at a better track. There are variables all over the place which makes it had to compare. I have a feeling we are going to see a lot of B8 S4’s with headers hitting the track this year. A lot of people have headers now, and when I make my way up to the track I will take multiple friends that have headers on their B8/B8.5’s.

[primetime]

Paper, really? The fluke is a 120 trap one time and then multiple 113/4s on the same day… There were no other s4s to compare with… imolas car ran multiple 11.8/9 passes and I ran slightly better but close enough to say even… Yet he was 200 300 lighter and had no cats unlike me… If you can’t see our results showing more than I think I’ll just quit addressing you on this as you are biased… I know you think I hate ec for some reason but that’s really not the case… Just like to deal in real results not vendor ones that are used for sales…

[sakimano]

Im not looking to argue anyone but the headers definitely made my car faster. The only real way I had of gauging my car was racing my friend who had the same setup including Revo and thats the best way I had of gauging the real world difference the headers made on my car. He doesnt work at Eurocode and I used to work their almost 4 years ago and haven’t received any kickbacks or anything from them. I pay less for my parts than off the street customers would but that is it. Like I said Earlier, almost every single B8 S4 is slower than primetimes S4,. Does that mean that GIAC software sucks cause GIAC cars cant beat primetimes quarter mile time? Does that mean that every intake and exhaust and every power mod out there doesnt do shit on these cars cause people with those times cant beat primetimes quarter mile time? Does that make sense? How many companies out there go and do before and after testing on the dragstrip with their exhaust systems? Does APR? Does JHM? Does that make them bad companies, or make their actual real world dyno tested power numbers fake? Does that make the videos of a race between 2 similiar cars fake?
I still dont understand where the hate comes from. Auditude’s car didnt gain anything from the 034 testpipes and circuit tested lost power with the testpipes. Why is primetime still running this crap product?

1. nobody said headers won’t make a car faster (than stock). So why do you keep ranting and trying to convince everyone of that? We know they add a gain over stock. Primetime just thinks it’s overstated and lauded for really adding just about zero over far simpler and more cost effective solutions.

2. primetime has 034 high flow cats, not test pipes. He also has an APR tune, not a GIAC tune. The 034 cats work pretty well on his car (and fonzie and 81bear) and their APR tunes.

What is the hate? The only thing people on this site hate is bad products, poor marketing and bullshitters. Well, the core members. Some people have come along and dilluted that a bit.

Their definitely is hate there. Since the headers have not proven to be a bad product like the 034 cats have, since they have shown increases in power on multiple dynos, since they have shown increases in speed in multiple street race videos, since anytime anyone mentions it you guys jump all over the headers saying there arnt any gains, since primetime said it is damn near criminal how Eurocode and their customers push these headers, and you compliment him on saying that. That is straight hate, primetime doesnt have these headers, you dont have these headers, you dont have the car these headers are made for. You have never been in or raced against a car with these headers, you talk shit about them every chance you get. That sir is hating on a product plain and simple.

You don’t seem to understand.

The headers add fuck all over 034 hfcs, but are five times the cost. Is that simple enough?

[bangoman]

The headers add fuck all over 034 hfcs, but are five times the cost. Is that simple enough?

This was the summary I was looking for.

[Auditude3.0T]

I honestly don’t think the headers do anything more than the Testpipes. I had big gains 100-130 with the Testpipes and on my most recent logs I’m making a lot of power from the Testpipes.

Testpipes- $450 shipped
Headers- $2800 shipped

Performance difference in minimal if any difference at all.

[richib86]

I honestly don’t think the headers do anything more than the Testpipes. I had big gains 100-130 with the Testpipes and on my most recent logs I’m making a lot of power from the Testpipes.

Testpipes- $450 shipped
Headers- $2800 shipped

Performance difference in minimal if any difference at all.

Speaking of logs. My car is all sorted out. Let’s do this

[Auditude3.0T]

I honestly don’t think the headers do anything more than the Testpipes. I had big gains 100-130 with the Testpipes and on my most recent logs I’m making a lot of power from the Testpipes.

Testpipes- $450 shipped
Headers- $2800 shipped

Performance difference in minimal if any difference at all.

Speaking of logs. My car is all sorted out. Let’s do this

Come through Monday night. Lets do pump vs. pump vbox times.

[richib86]

I honestly don’t think the headers do anything more than the Testpipes. I had big gains 100-130 with the Testpipes and on my most recent logs I’m making a lot of power from the Testpipes.

Testpipes- $450 shipped
Headers- $2800 shipped

Performance difference in minimal if any difference at all.

Speaking of logs. My car is all sorted out. Let’s do this

Come through Monday night. Lets do pump vs. pump vbox times.

done, bring the grilled cheese

[91gl]

How about you both do some fucking pulls and give us something to see

[Paperybutnotplasticy]

I honestly don’t think the headers do anything more than the Testpipes. I had big gains 100-130 with the Testpipes and on my most recent logs I’m making a lot of power from the Testpipes.

Testpipes- $450 shipped
Headers- $2800 shipped

Performance difference in minimal if any difference at all.

I’ve heard that one before. Are you just gonna wait till you get there Monday and refuse the grilled cheese again?
Speaking of logs. My car is all sorted out. Let’s do this

Come through Monday night. Lets do pump vs. pump vbox times.

done, bring the grilled cheese

I’ve heard that one before. Are you just gonna wait till you get there Monday and refuse the grilled cheese

[richib86]

How about you both do some fucking pulls and give us something to see

ill bring the gopro haha

[Auditude3.0T]

How about you both do some fucking pulls and give us something to see

Lol ok

[ChrisK]

I honestly don’t think the headers do anything more than the Testpipes. I had big gains 100-130 with the Testpipes and on my most recent logs I’m making a lot of power from the Testpipes.

Testpipes- $450 shipped
Headers- $2800 shipped

Performance difference in minimal if any difference at all.

Speaking of logs. My car is all sorted out. Let’s do this

Come through Monday night. Lets do pump vs. pump vbox times.

video it and post it here… comeone. I love the B8 guys actually going for it.

[Jspazz]

Nothing huge to add, but I think headers haven’t been given a fair run yet except Imola’s car, which, to me, has way too much going on with it to be anything representative of the rest of us.

I think Richi’s car is very fucking fast, he just hasn’t gone to the track enough to show it (read this however you like). His first 1/8th was shit, his last 1/8 is solid, he gained FUCKING 27 mph. Show me another car that has come even close to 27 mph on the big 1/8. any car. And he was on fucking 93 octane. Seriously, look at every else’s big 1/8s and the only other one you’ll see is Eurocode at 27 mph.

[richib86]

[quote=“ChrisK,post:26,topic:4177”]
here are the three pulls from that day, every pull just gained more power. not sure what would have happened on a 4th pull

http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac317/richib86/8c6088a6.jpg

[salmon]

Those numbers look impressive.

[Paperybutnotplasticy]

Nothing huge to add, but I think headers haven’t been given a fair run yet except Imola’s car, which, to me, has way too much going on with it to be anything representative of the rest of us.

I think Richi’s car is very fucking fast, he just hasn’t gone to the track enough to show it (read this however you like). His first 1/8th was shit, his last 1/8 is solid, he gained FUCKING 27 mph. Show me another car that has come even close to 27 mph on the big 1/8. any car. And he was on fucking 93 octane. Seriously, look at every else’s big 1/8s and the only other one you’ll see is Eurocode at 27 mph.

Exactly, people jump to conclusions without looking at all the data or by looking at a single instance at 1 track event. Either wait till you have a big enough pool of data to draw a proper conclusion, or dont talk shit when multiple people post multiple dynos, some quarter mile times, and some side by side pull videos.

[sakimano]

Nothing huge to add, but I think headers haven’t been given a fair run yet except Imola’s car, which, to me, has way too much going on with it to be anything representative of the rest of us.

I think Richi’s car is very fucking fast, he just hasn’t gone to the track enough to show it (read this however you like). His first 1/8th was shit, his last 1/8 is solid, he gained FUCKING 27 mph. Show me another car that has come even close to 27 mph on the big 1/8. any car. And he was on fucking 93 octane. Seriously, look at every else’s big 1/8s and the only other one you’ll see is Eurocode at 27 mph.

1. he picked up 26.5 MPH, not 27. Normal would be 24-25. Why is 26.5 so groundbreaking that it requires profanity and capital letters?
2. gaining 26.5 MPH would be impressive if the 1/8th trap speed was 90-91 like most of the B8 guys with those mods. Instead it was 88 MPH, which only 1MPH more than the fastest stock car trapped in the 1/8th. So MPH gained isn’t impressive at all as it points to an artificially low 660 trap.
3. ironically the day we went to Cayuga in the fall, Mistro’s RS4 with no tune and stock exhaust with slight modifications to it gained over 25 mph, and ran the same time as Richib86. Further, the white E92 M3 that was with us added 26.5 MPH to his 1/8th trap speeds a couple of different times. He was also on pump gas. No FUCKING necessary.

[richib86]

Nothing huge to add, but I think headers haven’t been given a fair run yet except Imola’s car, which, to me, has way too much going on with it to be anything representative of the rest of us.

I think Richi’s car is very fucking fast, he just hasn’t gone to the track enough to show it (read this however you like). His first 1/8th was shit, his last 1/8 is solid, he gained FUCKING 27 mph. Show me another car that has come even close to 27 mph on the big 1/8. any car. And he was on fucking 93 octane. Seriously, look at every else’s big 1/8s and the only other one you’ll see is Eurocode at 27 mph.

1. he picked up 26.5 MPH, not 27. Normal would be 24-25. Why is 26.5 so groundbreaking that it requires profanity and capital letters?
2. gaining 26.5 MPH would be impressive if the 1/8th trap speed was 90-91 like most of the B8 guys with those mods. Instead it was 88 MPH, which only 1MPH more than the fastest stock car trapped in the 1/8th. So MPH gained isn’t impressive at all as it points to an artificially low 660 trap.
3. ironically the day we went to Cayuga in the fall, Mistro’s RS4 with no tune and stock exhaust with slight modifications to it gained over 25 mph, and ran the same time as Richib86. Further, the white E92 M3 that was with us added 26.5 MPH to his 1/8th trap speeds a couple of different times. He was also on pump gas. No FUCKING necessary.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbw9gavicw1r5g67po1_500.gif

[sakimano]

Nothing huge to add, but I think headers haven’t been given a fair run yet except Imola’s car, which, to me, has way too much going on with it to be anything representative of the rest of us.

I think Richi’s car is very fucking fast, he just hasn’t gone to the track enough to show it (read this however you like). His first 1/8th was shit, his last 1/8 is solid, he gained FUCKING 27 mph. Show me another car that has come even close to 27 mph on the big 1/8. any car. And he was on fucking 93 octane. Seriously, look at every else’s big 1/8s and the only other one you’ll see is Eurocode at 27 mph.

Exactly, people jump to conclusions without looking at all the data or by looking at a single instance at 1 track event. Either wait till you have a big enough pool of data to draw a proper conclusion, or dont talk shit when multiple people post multiple dynos, some quarter mile times, and some side by side pull videos.

your theory might hold water if it was ‘1 track event’…but it has already been half a dozen track visits.

Eurocode has been a few different times, all with pretty mediocre to terrible results.
Richi has been once, and has done the PBOX a couple of other times. All of his results point to the results the 034 HFC guys get. No more.
Imola Monster went with primetime with APR tune/pulley/LW wheels/seats pulled out and still ran same trap speeds as primetime (within 1 MPH). they both had race gas, both drive DSG and both made no mistakes…while primetime had his seats in.

So this whole ‘1 track visit’ is a bit of a joke. There are about 30 dragstrip passes made by 3 cars over 6 different dragstrip visits with headers.

In other words a $1200 engine pull + $2800 headers = $4,000 for test pipe/034 HFC type performance !!! Who the fuck in their right mind is arguing for headers?

You guys need to try harder to convince everyone that you’re good headers salesmen. So far you’re failing, and I am NOT giving you any Glengarry leads.