F*CK YOU u.s. airways!!!

General Discussion
#13

I can’t provide you the logic, that isn’t very prevalent in the military or government and it’s actually comical how much congress or other officials fly back and forth from DC to their home offices…or vacation houses.

Maybe the respective branch should provide every person in the military traveling under official in uniform orders a first class ticket, but I’m afraid that will also be frowned upon as pointless spending…and will never ahppen. I can tell you that most airlines will automatically upgrade military personal in uniform to first class if there is room available. So by no means am I attack the industry as a whole.

This is really a story by the media to rustle up some attention, nothing more. Also, with the current threat against military personnel from groups like ISIS, it would be wise for the military to stop all uniformed travel. no sense in giving them easy targets. I never ever traveled in uniform…I always made plans to have a room to change and carried a garment bag so there are other options.

#14

This is all very interesting to me, as I will admit that I have little to no knowledge of how the military functions as an organization.

I agree with you in everything you said, especially about the media using this to rustle up some attention. A story like this is sure to get a lot of people upset.

Axel, I agree 100% that a redefining of the policy is the solution to the problem.

This would be what I would propose…

  • Garment closets are enlarged by 5% on the planes (or first class storage decreased to 95% of current size), reserved for Military only
  • When purchasing a ticket, if you are Military and need jacket storage, then you mention that when booking your flight. If it is available, then your spot in the closet is reserved.
  • If there is no spot in the Military section available, then it is provided from the first class section of the closet, ONLY IF AVAILABLE ON THE FLIGHT AFTER ALL FIRST CLASS PATRONS HAVE HAD THEIR GARMENTS STORED.
  • If no Military spot in the closet is available when booking, then the ticket purchaser has the option to take another flight, travel out of uniform, or take a chance that there is space in the first class closet.
  • It would be up to the airlines if they want to charge a premium for the Military jacket storage.

In the end, the airlines will make their decision on how to handle this by looking at the $$$. If they value all the business they get from the Military (which it sounds like it is considerable) then they will make an official change. They are a private organization with the ultimate goal to make as much money as possible. If providing jacket storage for the Military helps them achieve that goal, then I am sure they will make it happen.

#15

that’s the thing…you assume people are normal. People are fucking jerkoffs scared of someone getting ahead of them.

  1. some loser would INDEED say ‘what about my coat’. Maybe not full volume, but he would ask her. Then he would say ‘well…he gets paid to ‘serve his country’…and I get paid to serve the country as a school teacher by teaching the next generation. Hang my coat up.’ You can change school teacher to surgeon, or firefighter or whatever you like.

  2. some loser in first class would INDEED raise a stink. Again, maybe not full volume, and maybe not every time, but it would happen. And it has happened. And htat’s why they have a policy.

  3. she would INDEED get in shit if she did it and someone from first class raised a stink with an email to whomever at head office.

Also, at what point is the military guy’s clothing eligible…only his dress uniform? How about the countless guys who fly wearing camo? How about his boots…are they ok for the closet? How about his leather 8 ball jacket. It’s just a jacket, but it’s a military guy’s jacket? There’s a reason they have a policy. It’s not to spit in the face of the military. It’s to stop situations from happening.

Truth? Guy shouldn’t have asked her twice or raised a stink. Or he should have flown first class.

oh…you mean you could get in trouble with your employer for not following a policy? Fuck the policy right? Who needs policies? It’s a stupid policy. It’s just a fucking jacket. Big fucking deal right? So it gets wrinkled. Just risk not following policy.

:slight_smile:

And if you take a jacket off, fold it twice and put it away, it’s not going to be wrinkled and awful. It’s going to be just fine. You don’t need to sit on the thing for the flight.

#16

Yes, there are jerkoffs everywhere.

I also see what you’re doing with the “eligibility” factor, I am speaking only on a dress uniform jacket. I don’t feel any other items should have a special exclusion. I’ve said it numerous times, we don’t deserve anything more than the next guy, he asked for a simple favor and the flight attendant said, “No.”

He probably asked because he has done it dozens of times without being told no. He also probably didn’t make a huge deal about it himself, but just like the jerkoff that might be sitting close by ready to complain about “someone getting ahead of him”, there may have been a person who believes in supporting their service members and spoke up on the military guys behalf behalf…also blowing the incident out of proportion. Social media probably erupted and this story was jumped all over.

…or he should have flown in civilian attire.

Someone even offered him their seat in first class, but that wasn’t the point. He really just wanted his jacket hung up so it didn’t get fucked up…lol I guess you’d understand if you spent the time to make it look perfect and knew the consequences if it looked like shit.

In reality the story about this is stupid and doesn’t deserve a place in the media, but contreversy sells.

#17

It was a request that ANY normal person would’ve acknowledged out of discretion. It’s not like the Soldier was handing over his kids Disney Cars jacket and demanding it be hung.

Like I said on AZ:

Discretion, like Common Sense, is severely lacking nowadays.

#18

All policy is a joke and gets bent in the end.

The flight attendant probably was in a union anyways and her job wouldn’t have been touched, lol.

People are just too afraid to offend another person.

#19

[quote=“euroswagr,post:18,topic:6260”]
F**k political correctness, it’s what’s wrong with America.

We’ve raised a generation of back-patters and 4th place winners! Again, discretion is going the way of common sense, out the door.

Sad world we live in.

#20

I work with a 10yr marine veteran (among countless others) and he informed me (unless the army is different) that the rules have changed and that unless he is traveling under military orders he is NOT required to wear his dress blues or cami’s and can travel in whatever he likes. (I’m sure Marcus will shed some light on this) He also continued on to basically say he should have paid for a first class ticket if he wanted first class treatment. Plain and simple. No special treatment.

Also I agree whole heartedly with Slow’s last point.

Lastly, increasing the garment closets is not feasible. They are shooting to decrease weight of airplanes, not increase, even if it is only 5%. Every little bit adds up. For example, going to the all composite fuselage on the 787 has shed 1000s of pounds in just rivets alone. The planes are already pretty bare bones as it is. You’d be surprised what’s in between you and the outside…That “wall” you’re sitting next to is about a 1/16" thick, maybe less.

Source: I work for Boeing

#21

Ya but the Soldier wasn’t asking for special treatment, he asked if the attendant could hang the uniform.

A Dress Blue Alpha is like the military’s three-piece Armani suit…it’s something you don’t just cram into a small space with a bunch of other luggage. He’s proud of what he earned and proud to display it but that’s not the point, he is simply respecting the uniform by asking it to be hung in an open spot.

I would completely understand if he made a scene and was being an entitled asshat but from what I read, I don’t think this was the case therefore no special treatment.

Would it have been better if he gave her a $50 and said “hey, could you hand this?”

#22

I know HE didn’t ask for special treatment. But the media is making it sound like the stewardess told him to fuck off. Which is completely not the case as far as I can tell. I am aware of what the dress blues are and are about. And I know they wrinkle VERY easily. I was more replying to what Euro said about it being mandatory.

I have the utmost respect for anyone in the military. But like saki said, there will always be that one guy who will make a scene and the stewardess was just following policy.

#23

Holy crap, I just googled Dress Blue Alpha, and man is that sharp. I had no idea.

http://www.rwhampton.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Pictures-for-Cooper0009small.jpg

If I’m wearing that uniform, no way Im sitting in the back with the goons in coach. Damn, I’m not even going to sit with the monkeys in First Class.

I’m going to sit right up there in the cockpit with the Captain, and help him fly the damn plane.

#24

^^ they certainly create a need for many a woman to drop their panties/thongs/boyshorts/etc during its travels…

Ask Euro or Axel, they know :smiley:

#25

Hahaha… nice.

So, you guys are getting all the ladies AND you want extra space in the First Class closet? Damn!

Man, that suit definitely has it’s b e n e fits

WHY DOES AR KEEP CHANGING THE WORD ‘b e n e f i t s’ TO ‘BEITS’?

#26

the word is ‘benefits’

#27

so weird

I am trying to type the word b e n e f i t s

It keeps changing it to benefits

#28

Ever see a scared dog put its tail between its legs? That’s to protect or cover it’s genitals. That’s what the soldier is doing with his hands. He’s nervous. Ever see a group photo of lottery winners in the paper? They do the same thing. It’s a funny little human ‘tell’.

Notice Bush is not? he’s well coached on public appearances

#29

because n e f moto

#30

ah, gotcha

#31

I really don’t think the average citizen understands exactly what is really going on with any branch’s jacket. All that shit is being held in place by being pinned on and tacked with the cute little things we call dammits. There is a big reason why. They like to fall off, stick you, and all sorts of crazy things. probably the only real reason that Top wanted his jacket hung was to either keep from being prodded or losing half of his accouterment. It was a fucking jacket, nothing more…Sad day we live in when we neglect such a simple request from those charged and responsible for protecting our freedoms and so very willing to give their lives for the greater good. Policy, job protection, or whatever. I honestly do not think US Airways would fire someone for granting such a simple gesture.

#32

reductio ad absurdum to say that she’d get fired for hanging up a jacket. She’d maybe get fired for exhibiting a pattern of disregarding company policy. Maybe this is the start of that. Or the final straw.

don’t forget it’s a very policy driven world in the sky now thanks to terrorism. If she breaks that policy to appease a passenger, what other policy is she comfortable breaking?

bottom line is that nobody wants to be known as a rule breaker, and as I said in the beginning of the thread, she just doesn’t want to do what she was explicitly told NOT to do.

I can promise you that when you’re in training to be an airline hostess, there isn’t a big section in training on how to break policies and do what you think is best. Especially when it comes to potentially annoying/offending the high value clients who sit up front.