Fleabay headers, Part Deux

B6/7 S4/RS4
#81

Let’s set a few things straight.

  1. I happened into these parts as part of a bulk purchase of parts in a ‘garage cleanout’ wherein I bought a few parts for a friends S4 because I had the cash and he didn’t. I spent good cash on good used JHM parts, the guy then threw these in to get them out of his garage. I like having extra shit around for projects and figured -
    ‘whatever, just bring me all the parts you’ve got and I’ll hand you a wad of cash - enjoy your new platform and when you want to rip around in an S again, give me a call’. He showed up, unloaded the parts, and here we are. XS headers in my garage.

  2. I didn’t know anything about these headers when they landed in my garage, so I did the standard searches - Audizine, Audirevo, Quattroworld /r/audi… etc. And in the results I found a ton of dead ends and speculation and no fact, no evidence of their being good or bad, and that was interesting, because there is such a strong feeling about them in the community. And while this group of know-it-alls has all the historical evidence buried somewhere, in their backyards that no one else can reference… I, as a curious party, wasn’t able to find anything other than “Fuck them, they stole the design from JHM” to which I said “woah - fuck, these guys totally stole this shit” and then I kept seeing posts like “found these on ebay, anyone know anything about them?” which resulted in several demeaning insults and shitty posts about what an idiot the OP was for asking a question, instead of anyone saying anything like “we tested em’, they are shit, check out the thread [link]”. So I considered posting some info about these since I’ve not seen pictures other than XS’s pictures and I haven’t found a thread where I can see someone trying to install them and failing due to fitment issues - I see alot of “he said she said” but no “OP Bought parts and tried to use them, but it failed here are the pictures that show the fitment issues”… (this is usually the time when sakimano jumps in and says " we told you they all got deleted", to which I respond with “huh, I have them, who wants to know more about them, let’s make a thread that doesn’t get deleted”…

  3. at no time, throughout this entire dialog, have I EVER said a single positive thing about the parts themselves or the company that produced them. NOT ONCE. So Sakimanos repeated engagement and ‘popping off like an angry child’ seems to be either a. because he has nothing better to do than throw poop at strangers - as he does in most of his posts that don’t result in “thank you saki-god”, or b. because he is angry that I made $100.00 off of him, because I bet a friend that was watching this entire thing, that Sakimano would show up, ignore the very foundation of the original post start talking shit about me, the headers and the company instead of simply making a statement and moving along or contributing anything of value to this thread that he hasn’t already posted everywhere else, because his entire MO is that predictable. I bet not only once, but twice with my friend that sakimano would default into his usual childish behavior and call me dumb… it’s so sad that I made that money - I went on to offer to by him a beer for making me $100.00 for being a predictable man-child with his posts. if the shoe fits, eh?

  4. I offered a critical review, to do it openly and transparently - because my motor is already coming out for a service and it was convenient to do so. To be clear, I love my current setup and have no interest in installing headers on my car. If I wanted them, I’d buy JHM headers, the R&D that went into both the long tubes and mid-length is astounding! just like all my other parts on the car (and I have most of their catalog installed) - I don’t need them, nor do I want them. My car is fast, loud and I love it. I just thought it would be interesting to try to install them and see how bad they really are - and to document the process. I have two motor pulls planned in the next 6 months with two dyno sessions on either side of the pulls, so if I could actually get them installed, it would be interesting to post some facts - that can’t be covered up by anyone - because I am not affiliated with anyone.

that’s it.

nothing more, nothing less.

You can all spin it however you need to so that you can continue talking to each other about how smart and knowledgable you all are - or you can accept that I was genuinly trying to offer some facts for the new kids looking at these parts - since there are none that can be pointed at - today. And by facts, I mean users who buy a product and post a review (THEY’VE ALL BEEN DELETED!!!) Yeah, I get it… which only furthers my interest in doing this “for science / funsies”… not one person has posted one link to one thread that has factual information from an original purchaser of this product… simply. 3 pages of bullshit - everyone parroting each other “WE KNOW WE KNOW WE KNOW” … yeah, I get it, you guys are the smartest guys in the room. but if you all go back and read my original post - it says: “I have these parts - anyone care for a review”…

you all could have responded with “Nope, their shit and we know it for a fact - we have no interest, move along” but instead everyone came in and circle jerked with each other in the most pedantic, self-stroking way that I’ve ever seen in a community. which sucks because you guys have vast legacy knowledge that you can offer - you just get so caught up putting your dicks on the table that no one who’s not been in the scene for 10 years, will ever listen to because of the way you talk to people…

I don’t give a shit what Sakimano and the like think about me - my intentions or what my plans are for my car. I don’t need the validation of the community to feel good about myself. I love my car - I love the performance it gives me and I love continuing to tinker and find the best balance or performance and comfort out of my car and headers are not on that list - im not supercharging nor racing my car and as such - I don’t need or want them.

the fact that you guys are still posting on this thread at all is only a magnifier of your continued need to pat each other on the back and say “yeah bro, we totally showed that fucking newb”… well fella’s all you’ve done is dance around with each other and that’s it. congrats. now you can go home and continue to relish in the pride of your ‘telling me so’…

not that I asked for your opinion about the parts or the company or any of that shit. I asked if you wanted a review of the parts.

but this thread, is why so many folks I know that have awesome cars, have nothing to do with this community. Because of the way they are treated by the elders… you guys… which is like shit most of the time.

I’ve been an audi-dubber for the better part of 20 years and I’ve never been treated the way you guys reacted to my simple post about a parts review.

way to represent the scene fellas.

#82

So since you’re still freaking out and want all of this factual evidence why they are shit…then try them.

Just do me a favor and step back to look at the things we know.

  • there were other guys way before you who wanted to try these…they argued just like you and we said “go ahead” Where are they now? Who knows…but I haven’t seen on video or post about how great these headers are, have you?
  • XSpowwa advertises that these fit all of most 4.2 chassis, which anyone with half a brain knows is impossible.

If you don’t want opinions then don’t post on car forums, especially one like AR. You’re really just being a fucking crybaby about all of this whole situation. You are also full of shit when you say things like “I don’t even want headers” that is like turning down a blowjob. You’ve also expressed how important having great suspension is to you for going around turns/canyons…but you don’t want to accelerate faster? Make up your mind dude.

NONE of us here have racecars…none of us RACE our cars every weekend. Most enthusiasts modify their cars for performace and I’m not sure why headers or a supercharger in your mind equals racecar.

If you want everything you say or think to be “right” or uncontested, choose to post where weak minded and uneducated…they will love every bit of your experiment.

#83

Icanfly please read my post once or twice. Have an open mind and please feel free to help bridge the gap.

You asked and the answers were

you all could have responded with “Nope, their shit and we know it for a fact - we have no interest, move along”

We all saw the facts. We all saw the results. We all saw the people get fucked over. We all have tried to show you that not us but XS paid to cover up what your asking for. Most of us said. Any company that does that should be black balled. We all have decided that even if XS was to actually make a good product no body should be part of anything more that telling the past story and making a statement against these kinds of companies.

So again you asked. Does anyone want you to test these.
“Nope, their shit and we know it for a fact - we have no interest, move along”

You keep saying you don’t see it. That’s fine you didn’t see 99.9% of the history of the world or the events around you. That’s why there’s something called the news. You didn’t see water gate or the fast and furious government cover up. It was covered up. But there are people that did and even tho things were cover up they kept saying here is what you can’t see.

The true different here is. We are telling you about the cover up and the issues. The majority of the community (that with your current state of mind are not included in) have rejected XS and moved on. XS has a shit reputation. XS is a dishonest company. You don’t need to do more then google to figure that out. The XS debate is over. They lost there chance the nail is in the coffin. But you potentially try to say you want to help. You want to open the coffin to try and put another nail in the coffin. You think we don’t want you to test because were elites or something. .NO man your fucking missing it. Were not eliteites we saw amd read the threads were people got super fucked over. You can say you don’t have proof of anything. Well guess what. We or atleast I did. I remember sending dozens of emails and helping for weeks to try and help some of these guys that got fucked over. One in particular. A guy got suckered into the XS headers. Hacked up his car to have them fit only to have the shitty quality XS header fail on him. He had to pull his motor (now by himself because he was broke from paying labor the first time) he tried to do this on his own. It was a huge mess. I actually drove with a few friends to help him out. Because this shit XS product failed he lost money missing work and all the issues n his wife gave him. He commented a few times saying how the XS headers failed on him. Not to long after out of need and frustration he sold the car.

I get it you didn’t see that. Well I and a few others did. And when he and others went to warn others about how bad the XS headers were. The threads got paid to be closed by XS. So do I want to see you even try to put these on your car or do I want to even see , more testing
“Nope, their shit and we know it for a fact - we have no interest, move along”

I and I think others don’t want to have you open the coffin to try and help close the coffin again. XS is fucking shady. They are on there 6th or 7th attempt to compermise these things to get them to fit. Maybe they will fit on your car. I personally know XS has tried to send special sets of these out to people to try and get a paid review. Who knows what set you have.

So again do we care or want you to test
“Nope, their shit and we know it for a fact - we have no interest, move along”

What would I ask for. Stand with the rest of us. Don’t let the posts even if you didn’t read them die. People are passing on history that’s how it works. Seriously drop the hearsay. News isn’t hear say. Your history book isn’t hearsay. You have several unassocsted people all telling you the exact same thimg. Take a stand and say. Even if these fit XS doesn’t fit in to any company you would want to support. You do have an opportunity to share with the community and the new owners. How powerful would your message be if it was… oh XS headers. .ya I got a set for free and I threw them in the garbage because that’s all there worth.

If you truly believe XS isn’t a part you wouldn’t put in your car don’t put it on your car. You can do more by not trying to show they suck then by trying to test and show they suck. If you out the part on your car good or bad XS won. Your the sucker that’s doing the testing they will never do. They are dishonest. Once you show they don’t work. XS will do what they did when the mustang guys showed the XS headers didn’t work. XS just came out with the EXACT SAME header and said it was a new design. The mustang guys started the debate all over again. They all now reject XS but it’s important to know. Your an honest guy trying to show how a dishonest company works. They won’t be as honest as you.

Seriously hope this bridges the gap. I really believe the community can be helped by your excitement to help. I would just say take your talents and look to the other spots new members need help.

#84

Maybe he is just really bad with history…

http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=430.msg6986#msg6986

Look through your thread OP, seems like a pretty nice, knowledgeable community. Look how much great information you were given in your first thread.

There was a time when sites like this didn’t exist and information was hard to find, especially factual…people either listened to the knowledgeable guys or they wasted their time and money.

All we are telling you is don’t waste your TIME…because that is MONEY.

#85

I’m trying to figure out how he spent $5000 with JHM. He has a tune and crank pulley…and says he bought stuff used from his friend.

Is this another GibsonL?

#86

Maybe he is counting total dollars spent at JHM, not technically JHM parts. His car pretty much came with everything except the tune I believe.

Funny thing is in the thread I posted above… he asked about the JHM 93 tune and got a ton of recommendations, opinions and facts.

#87

This is a great post you made in that thread…it is very relevant to this current thread.

http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=430.msg7183#msg7183

[quote=Sakimano]hey…I was almost one of the first guys to get conned by VF

I asked for ‘proof’ i.e. quarter mile timeslips or pulls between cars I knew of and their VF car. The only running VF car was Todeshandler and he was busy all the time.

Then they got the kit on another car (big daddy i believe) and were going to go to the strip.
THen they said ‘awww, the car couldn’t hold all the power (clutch) so we’re going to get an aftermarket clutch in and go back next week’
Then they said ‘clutch is in, we’re going this week!’

then they vanished. I shit you not, that was the last ever post by VF ENGINEERING on teh Audizine B6/7 S4 forum. IT was Nik I believe all excited.

I later found out they did go…they did run 13s…and that’s when they abandoned trying to market the kit to us. They sold some to the RS4 guys who were at the time mostly first owners with deep pockets and limited 'show me the proof vigour. Then when the RS4 guys figured out what the S4 guys had figured out, VF went cold on the RS4 kits too. THey stuck with the R8 kits selling and reselling through Stasis.

I have to thank 91gl, justincredible, jfunkey and the boyz for slapping me in the face and basically asking me ‘are you fucking crazy? DO NOT trust these guys’. Without them I’d have bought that kit. Instead, I at first thought they were just being dicks (like everyone else)…because I wanted the kit to be legit, and they were pissing on my campfire. Of course they were protecting me. Then I said fuck this, called JHM, got tune/piggies/FI catback/LWCP and loved the car. I went to the dragstrip and ran 13.21 @ 107.3 and was FASTER mph than Todeshandler’s VF SC B7 S4 Avant (107.0) …but I spent $2500 and his kit cost $10,000!

Wow. Another year later got 2.5" downpipes and JHM’s updated tune with launch assist, and ran 12.9 @ 107.9. Fuck those scammers at PES and VF. It makes me mad when people reject my warnings. I can only imagine how annoyed justin/jfunk/91 were when I wasn’t listening and was defending VF lol.
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BUT hey, I guess we are all just elitist assholes that talk shit on horrible companies for our own enjoyment. We don’t care about the platform or people getting scammed out of money.

Just a bunch of racecar drivers with bad attitudes…

#88

Your dyno pure numbers fail to take into account a lot of factors. When we ask for 1/4 mile slips, we’re not asking you to enjoy drag racing, we’re asking for those “pure numbers” you also want but with more relevance than a dyno machine (which in effect is garbage in, garbage out and no one knows the amount of garbage that went into the dyno settings).
So who cares if you don’t like drag racing, who cares if you built your car for the canyons. A 1/4 mile is but a tool to measure gains, just like a dyno, but with more relevance and less room for manipulation. That’s all there is to the drag strip.

I don’t get this part. You’re not asking the community for their opinion (even though forums are basically all opinion based) but you’re asking if anyone is interested in a factual review. Who the fuck cares if anyone is interested??? Just go out on your own and do your factual testing if you want to know so badly for yourself what the story is about these headers. Then come back and make a full detailed thread about your meticulous testing.
Do you really need our interest? You seem to have enough interest on your own. I just don’t get why you would ask us other than to have the community bow down before you praising you for taking the time to test something we already know the answer to. A real humble and scientific person would have just gone out and performed and documented all of their tests on their own without telling anyone and then come back with their report, pics, figures, etc.

And that’s part of the problem. Self-fulfilling prophecy. You start “on-guard” and by doing so, created an air of elitism which we all hate on AR.

Just stop posting because it’s not helping. The thread will die on its own. Run your tests or don’t run your tests on your own without telling anyone (if you do run the tests) and in a few months, come back with your results if you so choose. However, when you come back with your results, if they’re crap, prefacing the thread with “I just wanted to provide the community with hard evidence of how shitty these headers are on a forum that won’t have the thread deleted by sponsors” it would go a long way in reducing the “I told you sos”
And, on the other hand, if you see dyno gains, but don’t include 1/4 mile times, expect to be blasted because a dyno without a 1/4 mile run to us is pointless. A dyno is useful to help explain the 1/4 mile run by looking at the shapes of the curves themselves but without a 1/4 mile run to actually show real world gains, you’ll just get laughed at.

Peace

#89

Very well said

This is lost on so many people for some reason. They think there’s so much that goes into it. There’s not.

#90

Last post -
I very much appreciate Axle stepping and saying something, as I have great respect for his method of communication and his car. He made a very solid statement which summed it up, perfectly.

This, is and was the entire point to my first post. “I just wanted to provide the community with hard evidence of how shitty these headers are on a forum that won’t have the thread deleted by sponsors”. And he is right - I should have just done it on my own and then posted results. TIL.

Thanks for some education, some good times and some funny shit to read (still laughing at the ‘Thick Skin’ bit) a

No matter what - I seriously hope you guys heard the critique on how you come off, it’s heartbreaking when delivery gets in the way of message, when you all have very valuable messages to share.

thanks!

#91

Icanfly man you got me again. I for a second I thought you were being honest. But nope. You were just waiting for more opertunity to make it look like you were doing something other then putting on the headers you paid for and hope they work. Your desperately trying to find any post to make it look like people actually want you to do this.

I think we all know how we come off. What you don’t get is when people like you are dishonest you don’t get a warm delivery. We all got your number on this. You bought the headers your trying to hide behind making it look like your doing this for the community but the community told you nobody’s interested. Your response was we are elites because unlike you we all have standards that say you don’t do reviews for parts from companies that fuck people over.

So because you basically wasted my time. … as I was trying to help but you weren’t here for help you were here to try and sell us that your a saint for trying these. Your not here for the community your here for your own adjemda…you weren’t here to share you were here to insult anyone that tried to share if it didn’t fit into your goals.

I think most of us already know where this is going. Your the type that isn’t about anything other then talking over people to hear yourself. When people do that they tend to say what they wish and gloss over most things. Knowing what makes sense. I’m sure we can expect a glowing review of these based off your past posts.

So for wasting my time. Making odd sakimano money posts and for not really being here for the community. I will be giving you a negative rep. I hope that others that agree we wasted our time do the same.

#92

Thought axel’s post was good :slight_smile:

#93

I’ve lost some respect for several forum members from this thread and others recently

…kind of need to tone-down the asshole-ness that’s been going around lately

#94

Seconded.

#95

SO I don’t get it, you two want to see him test headers from a POS scammer company?

Justin said it best, why the hell do we need to open the coffin up to put the nails back in?

He also wanted to mainly use a dyno…

People think others are assholes when they don’t coddle them and agree with everything they say. If he didn’t want HONEST opinions then he shouldn’t have posted this on AR.

#96

-guy feigns interest in ‘furthering the community’ by pretending to ‘test’ some crap junk that has already been tested and shown to be junk
-people give him input, and remind him this testing was already done, and the results were shit
-guy wants an argument so he bulls ahead, fights, ignores what was told him, calls everyone liars, and repeatedly asks for links to threads we already know were deleted by audizine moderators at the behest of the chinese thieves who are now advertisors
-guy then makes a million excuses for avoiding performance testing, backtracks, makes up a bunch of stuff and flames out

That’s EXACTLY how it’s supposed to go with guys like that. Audirevolution isn’t made for everyone. If it was, nothing would get done, nobody would get faster, and we’d all be running high 13s in our GIAC tuned B6 S4s. This isn’t 2006 anymore (and this isn’t audizoo)

#97

Agreed, on some level, as below.

Yes, but only if he would do it the way I asked previously, for which I offered to pay an unspecified amount to see the information displayed here on AR for all to enjoy i[/i].

As they say, you can lead the horse to water, but you can’t make him drink. You can literally hang your body weight from a horse’s neck; they are so strong that you physically can not force them to drink it. So spending 3-4 pages of back and forth trying to get him to do it is not helping; it’s just making everyone involved look like an idiot. I offer one of my favorite pieces of advice in this regard:

Do not argue with an idiot; they will only bring you down to their level, then beat you with experience. - George Carlin, RIP

So what I am trying to say is this: When you see somebody posting like this, and everybody has told them what for, and they don’t appear to be listening, just leave them to their own devices and encourage them to post up afterwards instead of just disappearing forever. That said, this is also the internet, so if you just enjoy dicking around with people like this, then by all means, knock yourself out. But it may make you seem dickish to the casual onlooker. Those of us that have been around a while know you are just trying to help, but less experienced members probably just see it as a flame war, and probably don’t read much of it anyway. Just my opinion on it.

#98

Well spoken lad.

#99

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vlDpDr2gQYI

#100

See that’s where you are missing it. That doesn’t work. Look at that turbo rs4 thread. Euroswagr and jdmnomore are telling the forum the truth, and reality. They have from page one. The test of the forum is saying ‘leave him alone and let’s hold hands and sing koombayah.’ jdm and euro are badly outnumbered by empty headed morons who don’t know the true history of this loser and don’t have a fucking clue about how to turbocharge and tune one of these cars, or that this loser is trying to make a buck and scam them as he did selling pes kits. So now, it looks like jdm and euro are wrong and the record will be that the PROVEN and ADMITTED scam artist is the new good guy.

Notice that we tried that on page one (your method) and he kept coming back with bs. Guys like that are not just ‘trying something out for the community.’ they are promoting their own agenda.

It wasn’t until the next page or two that he admitted what he was really all about, and it was only after he was hammered with reality.

Further this is a written record that will be here for ages. If a guy (you) starts a thread about garbage China headers and the other guy follows up with ‘I own them, they see really nice, and they seem really well made, and I am going to go teat them’, and everyone goes ‘they don’t work well but hey, check and let us know’ now you have a new story on the record.

Now you have a legacy thread that someone will google search and see. What does that thread look like? What is the lasting impression? That the only guy in the thread who owned them thought they were great and he never posted anything negative and lived happily ever after.

The other way, the way it went went, he gets raped and exposed for what he’s really all about, the truth about making headers does up, and reality is now on the record.

If a couple of people want to say ‘wow he was mean to him’ I don’t really care. Have I ever posted to make friends and keep everyone happy? No.

This is a facts first car forum and when you come here to cloud up the record with fluff and bullshit, you are going to hear about it.