This, sure it’s only one car but still, if George indeed only had the tune, dp and catback, then that pretty much clearly shows an improvement of some kind.
Paper, you’re trying to play devil’s advocate here (I’m being diplomatic) but you’re not taking into account George’s 1/4 mile results. Just the fact that he ran a 1/4 mile is more than what you’ve done no?
he is not… He is trying to carry over the b8 headers thread in here. It has been shown time and time again that the b8headers don’t add much vs the cheap 034 cats or test pipes, but paper worked at eurocode so he wants to stick up for them in the face of the data. So an attempt to discredit jhm is his last resort. Pretty pathetic.
HAHAH so when I come on here and post legitimate questions about a bullshit rip off product that you are trying to sell to people,now I have a puppet master and need to fuck off and go to Audizine? I own an Audi which means I know everything about every Audi platform and product out there even though its not made for my car (Just using some golden Saki logic here) You can promote and sell your JHM products all you want Saki but I hear nothing but complaints from people in real life about their exhausts and their tunes. Ive never posted anything bad about them before because frankly I didnt think I needed to post about a platform that I dont own but Saki has shown me the light and Im going to make it my mission to show people on here and especially Audizine the true nature of these bullshit products. I mean seriously $1000 for 2 pipes that dont give you any type of gain??? Seriously?
what a rip-off . 1000 $ for downpipes ? and thats bare bones with a discount . I gotta get into this business. Im still working for chips .
Huh? I’m confused. I only see people being happy about the JHM tune and other products (aside from a couple individuals who’s sole intent is to diss JHM by spamming lies).
And 2 pipes that don’t give you any type of gain? Are you having difficulty reading or comprehending George’s 1/4 gains?
You’re not making any sense whatsoever and you’re making yourself look pretty silly.
one car with multiple mods ran a 12 something quarter mile? Did he run a stock quarter mile time the same day and then a quarter mile time with just the 2 plumbers pipes? If not that skewed result doesnt mean jack, these pipes dont have any proven gains and are a straight rip off as someone else posted.
I guess you also think the Fast Intentions DPs at $1500 that a shitload of S4 owners have bought are also a complete rip-off?
Strange that they sell so well.
Can you be more specific? Multiple mods = full exhaust + tune from what I understand (if this is wrong, someone please pipe in). Saying “multiple mods” isn’t very accurate. And for the sake of accuracy, he ran a 12.2, not a 12something.
As for running the same day with different setups, that’s quite uncommon seeing as most dragstrips don’t have lifts on the ready to swap exhausts.
That same day, the fastest recorded stock RS4 (from another day) ran a 13.1 (with the owner claiming he could have run a 12.9 with more practice).
So the JHM exhaust + tune ran a 12.2. The fastest stock RS4 we know of ran a 13.1 (admittedly, could have run a 12.9).
Simple math shows the 3 JHM components added 0.7 seconds to the 1/4 mile compared to one of the fastest (if not the fastest) stock RS4.
I’ll let intelligent people reading this thread make their own conclusions.
But if you don’t want all 3 (cat back, dp’s and tune) how can you know what piece of that “trifecta” accounted for how much gain? As usual, my question was interpreted as being negative. I won’t argue that the “trifecta” has shown gains. But what does each component yield? To me, this seems reasonable. Sure, if money is not an issue, and max NA performance is what you seek, then a full JHM exhaust + tune seems like a good option. Just seems like JHM would have provided, since they have an in-house car and the means to swap parts quickly, some sort of comparison. Whether it is a dyno or a 1/4m time or a 3k-8k time.
It’s exactly the same as a regular S4. The tune utilizes the full exhaust to its full potential. Secondly, this is a 2.75" system, you want to buy a 2.75" DP and a 2.5" CB or vice versa? (or leave half of the exhaust stock) That doesn’t make sense.
These add-ons are meant to work together. The trifecta output is higher than if you were to measure each individual part on its own. Asking what each individual part adds doesn’t really make much sense.
Same with the S4.
Nobody thinks you are being negative. You are asking a tough question is all. That’s always good to do. It’s a valid question you’ve asked. How do you propose jhm shares that info?
They don’t recommend stock exhaust so it wouldn’t make much sense for them to advertise using it.
Again, I don’t think it’s up to them to advertise power gains for individual mods, namely because it’s against their philosophy to use the dyno. They advertise a system of mods. Simple. If you want to buy one part of that system you have to fly blind.
Although why would anybody upgrade their downpipes and catback without a tune? And Is anyone getting just down pipes?
You can always get piggies and tune. Should work very well. Although not as well as the full exhaust from the looks of it. Mick went 12.40 in good da with stock exhaust (piggies) and a good bit of launching/driving. He was tuned and minus 200 pounds or something right? I can only imagine what Georges full exhaust and tune car would run minus 200 lbs. after going 12.2@112.45. Or what Dan would have run - 200 lbs on better fuel than the 91 he had after going 12.2 @ 111
they dont provide any data for their downpipes because they dont do jack shit on these cars, and Im sure teh profit margin is very sweet on 2 simple pipes that JHM and their sales guy Saki keep trying to stuff down peoples throats.
^^ I guess you just can’t educate people who don’t know how to read.
Moving on from this guy’s broken record who can’t seem to provide any counter arguments to the fact that George’s car ran way faster with the pipes and tune than stock pipes and no tune…
I don’t know who George is. I’m just taking ques from Saki’s manual here, if you don’t like it don’t complain to me complain to Saki.
Yes sir I do . Some people like being ripped off I guess .
I see a polemic on whether downpipes offer gains .
Yes , 2.75 inch ( the size of the header collector ) downpipes and correctly built exhaust gain hp and torque .
Downpipes + stock exhaust works too
Cat-less or sport cat downpipes allow for more timing and heat the engine up a lot less .
The way the engine is built and tunes affects gains.
I would have never been able to run 150+ hp of nitrous with less than 2.75 catless .
It detonates a lot less and cools properly with big downpipes .
1k + for downpipes is a rip-off .
God knows I’ve bought a lot of stuff from JHM and I don’t hold the price against them . If they can sell those pipes for that price they have all my admiration .
see thats a really reasonable answer.
How many options are there on the market for the RS4? This seems to actually be one of the cheaper ones no? Which means there’s a good chance they’ll sell.
I also believe JHM uses some higher than average stainless steel (would need confirmation though as I don’t follow RS4 products all that much).
Finally, a business needs to make money in order to throw that money back into the business. Some products will have higher margins than others due to what the market is able to bear (and some less, for the same reason of what the market is able to bear). In this case, I think the market can bear their price point due to the fact that other comparable products are selling for more.
I guess in the end, if you feel it’s bad value, it’s not something you’d want to buy. There’s plenty of houses in my city that I consider way over-priced and even if I had the money, wouldn’t buy them as I don’t think it’s good value. That said, other people are buying them up and the prices are holding. It’s a choice one makes for every purchase they make (another example is iphones, I find them overpriced, never bought one but many people have).
I agree with you .
Edit : 1 k is still a rip-off
What your saying is completely sensible. Try explaining that to Sakimoto(I’m kidding don’t) he’s bipolar it might make sense to him now, but he’ll just flip flop about it in a couple of hours.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
I asked you to start a war room thread and show me anywhere I flip flopped or lied or whatever the fuck else you’re talking about. Of course you backed down like a fucking coward. Why? Because you’re a brainless little fucking snot who has NOTHING.
Quit polluting the forum with your empty bullshit and get the fuck out. If you have a problem with me start the war room thread, or pm me. Otherwise fuck off back to jspazz teat and get back to sucking.