Great question eurocode. Has anyone ever, anywhere, bought downpipes only for their car and nothing else? I mean in the history of RS4 owners?
The only people looking for 2.75" downpipe only data on a car that leads into a restricted smaller diameter catback section with a stock tune are people who are looking for arguments and have no intention of actually buying anything.
Or supersprint lol.
Dude, eurocode…that’s worse than a racial slur…lol
Gibson should just breakdown and use that damn gift card he has…
lol autocorrect on my phone
It’s a big one. See the notes section…
http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo193/sakimano/untitled-31_zps7e9c88fe.jpg
To that end, he has done a great job here showing us how in effective the milltek exhaust is. He had intake spacers and piggies, just like Mistro. Let’s see how they stack up lol
Mistro 12.47 @ 113.7
vs
GibsonlDaytonaRS4 13.10 @ 107.9
Thanks saki for graciously deciding to unbann me again o mighty one.lol First I had an EPL
tune, now I have an APR? But don’t worry, whatever saki says is true so don’t worry about it.
And yea, having gone down a drag strip a total of 4 times in my life a 13.1 is my best. Unfortunately
I was not amused enough by the experience to keep running. Now a road course on the other hand,
u can compare me to any RS4 anywhere that you’d like. Supercharged or not. But what any of this has to
do with looking for data is beyond me. Im sure one day you will all decide the childish games
of trying to attack any and everyone get tired and actually be more concerned with the platform.
Only 4 times? I remember you talking about doing AWD burnouts in the water box…and that was you offering advice to other members…yet when we glance at your times you fall back on the inexperience.
Forget about the banter…why not do what I said…buy a full system and sell the milltek
You are looking for senseless data, like we have already said…go ahead argue that showing DP only gains aren’t senseless for JHM. Name one other company that provides that data.
^^^ has nothing to do with me. Site owner god should be thanked, however I believe you are well on your way to another suspension with your karma being where it is. Your karma originally got you banned…in other words the members of the site voted you out. Remember why? Remember all of your crazy bullshit? If not I’ll send you a few links.
Damn that APR tune…Did you used to have APR when you first bought it? I thought you were stock tune when you went, but I can’t remember. That’s an error that I’ll fix. APR probably want to slap me for that. I will need to get god to delete your time and then I’ll add another. Everything else look accurate?
Now you are EPL tuned correct? Would be nice to see you go back to the dragstrip and show everyone what a great driver you are and what a great tune EPL wrote. I believe MIR is open. Step up and maybe try action rather than words.
Bro, he doesn’t care about the 1/4 mile! He’s looking for a REAL world test of performance… Sheesh!
This didn’t take long…
http://forums.quattroworld.com/rs4b7/msgs/96773.phtml
I’m really not even sure what fucking info he is looking for?? He thinks a 2.5"full system for $2000 will net him only 10 less whp than the full JHM 2.75" system for $3200…and it’s actually $2750 if you jump on the bad ass deal they have going right now!
Gibson said he understands about area under the curve…blah blah blah, but is so fucking hung up on peak numbers on the dyno!!
Some peoples kids…
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/92800314/Screen%20Shot%202013-03-21%20at%205.14.58%20PM.png
read the first QF response…rocket scientists over there!
[size=8pt][quote]my gains with 2.5…
high flow cats) added 17 whp / 16 tq
APR tune 13whp / 16 tq
between both downpipes and APR tune i got 30whp and 32lbs tq. i would say slightly more than that after the ECU had time to adjust, i just never went back to the dyno but, i would just say gains are probably closer to 35-40whp after adaption. i would guess catback would add another 2-5whp to the numbers above.
for 2.75, if i had to guess i’d say 6-8whp more and at the expense of less bottom end torque? i remember reading that removing the precats will slightly lower bottom torque but increase top end… i would assume bigger diameter exhaust will do the same. maybe if you have plans to supercharge later on then 2.75 might make more sense.
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Does anyone remember Justincredible running just headers on the dragstrip and blowing his tires off the line…so much for the back pressure no low end torque argument. I know it’s a different beast, but an example of myths.
yeah, I liked how he was constantly talking about not caring about utmost performance (whatever that means) and area under the curve…and then he references peak whp numbers all day on two forums
I imagine that you can get a good chunk of of the JHM 2.75" downpipes/JHM 2.75" catback by going with a full 2.5" system, but let’s look at that. Why would you?
cost - the JHM system is very fairly priced. It’s 2750 right now for a full catless system. What are we comparing to…a $2000 Milltek 2.36" catback + 2.5" SSAC ebay downpipes for $400? So you’re at what…$2400? For garbage? The JHM system is 2.75 through and through and is top quality stainless. If people want aluminized steel and poor fitment to save $350, they are fools, and they and their money will soon be parted. In fact they were lucky enough to get together in the first place.
quality - the JHM system is very well made, with Danny at Fast Intentions being the one putting the system together. The quality levels crush most of whats out there, yet as we see above, pricing is very similar. When you factor in the quality stainless used, the EXCELLENT resonators, mufflers and tips, and the fact that 2.75" is financially in another league to 2.36 or 2.50", you see that the JHM exhaust is pretty fantastic for what you’re paying.
sound - the JHM sounds great. Frankly it’s hard to fuck up an RS4 exhaust (kudos to ebworks for accomplishing that lol). That David Brent guy in the quattrofail thread seems to be a bit out of touch. He said JHM never released anything showing the sound of the RS4 exhaust?
Hmmm…let’s have a look at their youtube channel for 4 seconds. Found it! Looks like 8,000 other people found it too. I guess we shouldnt’ be too shocked that a quattrofailer missed it. There’s like 10 cars with the JHM exhaust in this video alone, not to mention another dozen or so videos online.
Here we go…2.75" downpipes with a stock exhaust and dyno…hope gibby is happy
Wow euro, thanks. Valuable info for a change as opposed to a bunch
of useless bullshit from Bob. The gains I’ve seen from hi flow 2.5" dp’s
seem to be similar theough the band so Im guessing the theory must be that the
additional components must utilize the additional diameter flow potential in
some way. Wow, that was so easy. Guess the 10+ posts about nothing relevant
could have just been avoided to get to this point.
LOL I think what you were trying to say in your poorly written attempt at sounding smart is ‘the bigger exhaust flows better’
The fact is (no theory), that when you get in an rs4 w/ a 2.75" exhaust, push the gas pedal to the floor and shift through a few gears, and then do the same thing in an rs4 w/ a 2.5" exhaust, the 2.75" exhaust car goes quicker. If you dyno the aforementioned cars, the one with the 2.75" exhaust also tends to dyno higher throughout the rpm range and at peak hp/tq. It’s really quite simple.
You keep trying to over-complicate it and make the smaller exhaust(s) seem like a better value. Then when provided with empirical data suggesting otherwise you get grumpy. Why so grumpy?
[quote]dp’s vs catback vs full vs full+tune and this ended up being controversial enough to get me banned AGAIN!
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Obviously your not banned…so why be so dramatic over there?
and you still really don’t’ make any sense man. Why not buy a full system for $2750, which is a fucking deal…then sell your piggies and milltek for a decent price…you could probably get
$400 for piggies
$700 for your milltek exhaust that you got on the car=free to you
That puts you at under $1800 for a full 2.75" JHM exhaust that is top quality and fitment will be amazing. You can’t be that blind man, especially for a man who likes to gloat his baller status and his financially savvy investments…and UPenn degree
As I stated earlier, I was banned a few hours ago and clearly that changed randomly again. The full system is actually 3100 with cats since I doubt I’d pass emissions without. What makes you feel the need to start talking about my degree and finances? Just never ends with you clowns! How about sticking to conversations about the cars. After all that is the purpose of these forums, or so I thought.
I think you’re trying to save a couple bucks. That rarely leads to good purchases.
If you think the jhm exhaust with catted downpipes are too expensive, what are you going to buy instead?
Some ghetto ebay downpipes for $400 and cats welded in for another $450, and then a gmg catback for $1800 for a grand total of… $2,650???
So you end up with lower quality downpipes and cats, a poorly designed catback that sounds nice, and you make less power. You’re also creating a less efficient platform for heat evacuation especially stressful during track days, and for what… to save?$450?
Go do it man. Quit waiting for everyone to spoonfeed you and move on.
I wasn’t taking a shot at you, I was actually insinuating you must be somewhat intelligent, but if you don’t see that the JHM exhaust is a deal…your blind. $3100…and $2100 after you sell off your setup…still a DEAL.
I don’t really give 2 shits about your degree or finances.