Learn me on Revo

[westwest888]

west, how about you take some logs and share them? I can walk you through the process and would be glad to interpret them as well… What can it hurt?

My buddy is getting his 6MT F80 M3 delivered in August after he picks it up in Europe. We’re going to do a same dyno, same day comparison. That should be a good time to get logs. My prediction is similar horsepower, 70 ft/lb less for the S4.

What the fuck does this have anything to do with the topic at hand? You want to wait for your boyfriend to get his M3 so you can the log it on a dyno which is less helpful then logging it at the strip or on the street?

I’m not your bitch boy like Skywagon. I’ll pay someone else to do it when it’s convenient for me. I’m not going to top out 3rd gear on a public road so the anonymous analytics team can confirm that in fact REVO has a different log signature than APR (this is obvious).

[euroswagr]

I’m not your bitch boy like Skywagon. I’ll pay someone else to do it when it’s convenient for me. I’m not going to top out 3rd gear on a public road so the anonymous analytics team can confirm that in fact REVO has a different log signature than APR (this is obvious).

But you are a bitch…

[d.p]

I’m not your bitch boy like Skywagon. I’ll pay someone else to do it when it’s convenient for me. I’m not going to top out 3rd gear on a public road so the anonymous analytics team can confirm that in fact REVO has a different log signature than APR (this is obvious).

But you are a bitch…

haha…Truer words have never been spoken.

[Skywagon]

[quote=“westwest888,post:21,topic:6871”]

west, how about you take some logs and share them? I can walk you through the process and would be glad to interpret them as well… What can it hurt?

My buddy is getting his 6MT F80 M3 delivered in August after he picks it up in Europe. We’re going to do a same dyno, same day comparison. That should be a good time to get logs. My prediction is similar horsepower, 70 ft/lb less for the S4.

What the fuck does this have anything to do with the topic at hand? You want to wait for your boyfriend to get his M3 so you can the log it on a dyno which is less helpful then logging it at the strip or on the street?

I’m not your bitch boy like Skywagon. I’ll pay someone else to do it when it’s convenient for me. I’m not going to top out 3rd gear on a public road so the anonymous analytics team can confirm that in fact REVO has a different log signature than APR (this is obvious).
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Gee, thanks West?

[PsYkHoTiK]

Nothing to contribute but this was humorous to read over my lunch break lol

[sakimano]

I read mixed feedback on Revo, but they have since gone through a software revision.
What’s the general consensus around here?

I’m looking at a stage 1 tune, and local to me, I can go for GIAC or Revo (actually, APR as well).
Cost wise, Revo is more economical. FWIW this is going to be for road course use, and I’m only after a stage 1.

APR was originally my first choice, as there is an option to enable left foot braking. However, I don’t believe APR has an updated tune for the B8.5 ECU. That leaves only GIAC or Revo to my knowledge. I tried to search up some logs, there’s lots of talk about Revo being very aggressive on the timing. But all the log files have since been taken offline (they show up as red x’s in old posts), so I don’t actually know what’s going on with the tune.

B8.5 = GIAC all day. Seems pretty straightforward.

[sakimano]

It’s like saying one time Boeing crashed a test plane so I’m never getting in a plane. Revo has literally tuned tens of thousands of cars. I think it’s bigger in the VW scene. Oddly if you trot over to one of their forums, you’ll see a localized example where groupthink led them to conclude APR blows up engines and Revo is Jesus. The sample sizes are so small that we, the forum hive mind, make arbitrary conclusions based on fear, uncertainty and doubt.

No, it would be like saying 'one time Boeing was trying to figure out how to make an airbus 380, so they borrowed one from Air France, and crashed it…then said ‘sucks to be you Air France’

oh…then they did it again

AND AGAIN

(3x for those following at home)

The most incredible part about that is that Air France (S4 owners) keeps lending them planes (cars)

[sakimano]

Consensus? I don’t think that exists but lots of opinions some based on facts others not so much… Revo came out with their tune after APR and posted some impressive early results… Many got interested and some made the switch to their tune from APR… Logs and facts started to get passed around and it was proven as a fact that Revo was either very significantly reducing impact of the car to pull timing based on knock or disabling all together… Revo claimed that not to be true and then a certain fellow took his car to the strip and grenaded the motor while making a pass… As drob stated he had several hundred misfires in a pass… Revo scrambled and sent him a flash device so he could flash to stock since they didn’t want to cover the motor… This became public and Revo pretty much went into hiding…(I have all the logs and email communication documenting this with Revo as well as with AOC) Then the whole Statis marriage came about and divorce happened about as fast… They obviously have changed the tune and continue to do so as sky can attest to… Based on the logs I’ve seen they still dumb down the ability for the car to pull timing but instead dump 10%+ of the boost that the car can make, which leads to worse performance and I feel will lead to even worse preformance in higher temps/da’s… Bottom line is the tune is probably safer than it used to be but it doesn’t perform up to GIAC and APR… APR has a ways to go on the B8.5 DSG cars since they don’t have a dsg tune… Take it for what it’s worth but I have no reason to state something that isn’t true…

…waiting for clochner to berate you for wall of text ;D

[sakimano]

west, how about you take some logs and share them? I can walk you through the process and would be glad to interpret them as well… What can it hurt?

My buddy is getting his 6MT F80 M3 delivered in August after he picks it up in Europe. We’re going to do a same dyno, same day comparison. That should be a good time to get logs. My prediction is similar horsepower, 70 ft/lb less for the S4.

What the fuck does this have anything to do with the topic at hand? You want to wait for your boyfriend to get his M3 so you can the log it on a dyno which is less helpful then logging it at the strip or on the street?

I’m not your bitch boy like Skywagon. I’ll pay someone else to do it when it’s convenient for me. I’m not going to top out 3rd gear on a public road so the anonymous analytics team can confirm that in fact REVO has a different log signature than APR (this is obvious).

Gee, thanks West?

haha that was awesome

I picture skywagon looking at west with a sad puppy face

Skywagon, I will be your friend. Fresh start. You’re my boy. I’ll protect you from these animals.

[clochner]

Consensus? I don’t think that exists but lots of opinions some based on facts others not so much… Revo came out with their tune after APR and posted some impressive early results… Many got interested and some made the switch to their tune from APR… Logs and facts started to get passed around and it was proven as a fact that Revo was either very significantly reducing impact of the car to pull timing based on knock or disabling all together… Revo claimed that not to be true and then a certain fellow took his car to the strip and grenaded the motor while making a pass… As drob stated he had several hundred misfires in a pass… Revo scrambled and sent him a flash device so he could flash to stock since they didn’t want to cover the motor… This became public and Revo pretty much went into hiding…(I have all the logs and email communication documenting this with Revo as well as with AOC) Then the whole Statis marriage came about and divorce happened about as fast… They obviously have changed the tune and continue to do so as sky can attest to… Based on the logs I’ve seen they still dumb down the ability for the car to pull timing but instead dump 10%+ of the boost that the car can make, which leads to worse performance and I feel will lead to even worse preformance in higher temps/da’s… Bottom line is the tune is probably safer than it used to be but it doesn’t perform up to GIAC and APR… APR has a ways to go on the B8.5 DSG cars since they don’t have a dsg tune… Take it for what it’s worth but I have no reason to state something that isn’t true…

…waiting for clochner to berate you for wall of text ;D

Haha I’m THIS close to doing so!

[drob23]

Nothing to contribute but this was humorous to read over my lunch break lol

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Kind of hilarious how probably 10 or so of us manage to have the same argument day after day, always finding new ways to stage it. Seems like West/Skywagon karma is a zero-sum game.

[westwest888]

Nothing to contribute but this was humorous to read over my lunch break lol

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Kind of hilarious how probably 10 or so of us manage to have the same argument day after day, always finding new ways to stage it. Seems like West/Skywagon karma is a zero-sum game.

I look at it as my provocation meter. I have a controversial new idea and the karma slides. Doesn’t mean I’m wrong, usually means I’ve challenged someone dominant.

[Ynnekdude]

Nothing to contribute but this was humorous to read over my lunch break lol

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Kind of hilarious how probably 10 or so of us manage to have the same argument day after day, always finding new ways to stage it. Seems like West/Skywagon karma is a zero-sum game.

I look at it as my provocation meter. I have a controversial new idea and the karma slides. Doesn’t mean I’m wrong, usually means I’ve challenged someone dominant.

You never have a new idea; you spew the same crap in every single thread that relates to the drag strip and/or Revo. Tesla P85d, right?

[westwest888]

You never have a new idea; you spew the same crap in every single thread that relates to the drag strip and/or Revo. Tesla P85d, right?

First lithium battery on a B8. First spherical bearings in the front upper and lower control arms on a B8. First Pilot Sport Cup 2 on a B8. First Brembo GT-R on a B8 S4. First RS5 wave rotors on a B8 S4. I set the standard for a B8 motorsports alignment. Should I go on?

[Ynnekdude]

You never have a new idea; you spew the same crap in every single thread that relates to the drag strip and/or Revo. Tesla P85d, right?

First lithium battery on a B8. First spherical bearings in the front upper and lower control arms on a B8. First Pilot Sport Cup 2 on a B8. First Brembo GT-R on a B8 S4. First RS5 wave rotors on a B8 S4. I set the standard for a B8 motorsports alignment. Should I go on?

You know what I was referring to, West. I don’t see you getting negative reputation in your legitimate, helpful threads. In fact, I truly enjoy reading your posts about the handling aspects of the S4.

However, the second we start discussing tunes and the drag strip, you short circuit and act as if you’re some sort of martyr because you don’t know how to drive in a straight line.

[Skywagon]

west, how about you take some logs and share them? I can walk you through the process and would be glad to interpret them as well… What can it hurt?

My buddy is getting his 6MT F80 M3 delivered in August after he picks it up in Europe. We’re going to do a same dyno, same day comparison. That should be a good time to get logs. My prediction is similar horsepower, 70 ft/lb less for the S4.

What the fuck does this have anything to do with the topic at hand? You want to wait for your boyfriend to get his M3 so you can the log it on a dyno which is less helpful then logging it at the strip or on the street?

I’m not your bitch boy like Skywagon. I’ll pay someone else to do it when it’s convenient for me. I’m not going to top out 3rd gear on a public road so the anonymous analytics team can confirm that in fact REVO has a different log signature than APR (this is obvious).

Gee, thanks West?

haha that was awesome

I picture skywagon looking at west with a sad puppy face

Skywagon, I will be your friend. Fresh start. You’re my boy. I’ll protect you from these animals.

Do I need rabies shots to post here?

[Skywagon]

Logs on “return to strip” thread.

[drob23]

Nothing to contribute but this was humorous to read over my lunch break lol

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Kind of hilarious how probably 10 or so of us manage to have the same argument day after day, always finding new ways to stage it. Seems like West/Skywagon karma is a zero-sum game.

I look at it as my provocation meter. I have a controversial new idea and the karma slides. Doesn’t mean I’m wrong, usually means I’ve challenged someone dominant.

Whatever helps you sleep better at night.

[justincredible]

As an outside observer revo hasn’t ever been dominate in the Audi tuning game. Company’s like giac get in house cars and test test and retest. APR has done the same and has been very dominant in the b8.5 game they lack because of the DSG

Back to revo. To those that don’t know revo has blown up at least one b8 s4 motor on a customers car but them again that hasn’t just been an issue with the B8 S4 they did the same with a Rs4 as well. At this point any standard 1/4 mile testing shows revo down well behind giac. Just recently revo tried to custom tune Skywagons b8.5 S4. The results were not helpful after all the time spent revo still hasn’t figured out what giac and APR have. The biggest gain over APR is there ability to DSG tune.

[westwest888]

Anyone buying any of the 3 vendor tunes in 2015 has an equal chance of their motor blowing. Higher power is higher liability, and you’re more likely to wear the transmission, half shafts, and sports diff as you run additional torque through it. The tuning game gets logarithmically more expensive as you try to extract the last 30 HP.

Honestly, just buy whichever tune your motorsports dealer carries. They usually carry just one, and they’ll support you and try to make you whole in the unlikely event of a mishap.

Motors used in motorsports can blow. I’ve seen an RS4 motor blow at Audi Club from a valve spring coming loose and falling into the cylinder. If it was an S4 we, the internet consumer protection league, would have blamed whatever tune was on the car. In this case he made quite a fuss and Audi of America covered $5000 of the repair, the dealer did some labor at a discount, and it was better than $15k out of pocket.