Speaking of EVs....

General Discussion
#21

[quote=“sakimano,post:20,topic:8665”]
I have no problem with reading comprehension. I have a problem with people who are certain that they know more about any given topic than anyone else. There’s even a name for that particular personality trait, but since you know most everything, I’m certain you’re aware of that.

Back on topic, the only “facts” about the topic of EVs are that how environmentally friendly, useful or efficient they are depends on which variables one takes into effect.

As I stated, I don’t have an agenda on this topic. To the degree possible, I’m interested in discussing the variables WITHOUT anyone’s personal agenda trying to push the discussion to a conclusion that supports that agenda. That’s why I put this out there as a separate thread, and not as a comment on the Tesla thread/shitstorm.

Are you capable of that type of discussion?

#22

Something to think about

http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/15/electric-vehicles-emit-more-pollutants-than-fossil-fuel-burning-cars-says-study/

#23

yes, but justin particulate matter from brake dust and tire wear are not carbon dioxide emissions, thus they don’t matter because minnesota. Be careful…ZCD will get upset with you for looking at the big picture.

University of Edinburgh in Scotland…a country with virtually no automobile maker presence whatsoever, thus no dog in the game. However Scotland do have oil rights to a massive part of the north sea. So maybe their study is trying to find ways an EV is bad.

As I mentioned to zcd, reading a biased study through tunnel vision glasses and taking it the grave as the standard is not helpful. Problem is if you’re going to fund an environmental study, it takes money, therefore if you invest in one, you’re probably motivated by money and have a vested interest in the outcome. The environmentalists don’t make the money wheel go around.

That’s why the Minnesota study praised the EV while ignoring several relevant aspects of EV environmental impact. That’s also why if Saudi Arabia does a study of the environmental viability of an electric car, I will read it with the same skepticism.

Singapore did one. They have no skin in the car game and very little skin in the oil game (20,000 barrels a day…or basically a rounding error on global production of 96 million a day). They decided to tax Teslas $15,000 rather than give away $15,000/car like America. Why? Environmentally, Teslas aren’t that great in Singapore. They’re powered by natural gas in effect (95% of singapore electricity comes from natural gas generating stations). So they’re no better than a gasoline powered car.

#24

From what I’ve been told it’s in the plans to come over. Crossing fingers

#25

wow…this guys just made a stupid article very personal…zcd1 that is

Why the fuck post it for discussion if you can’t handle a fucking discussion?

#26

Should we take this thread to the war room ::slight_smile:

#27

The assertion that I (or anyone else here, really) consider anything referred to in this thread (including my original post) as as “the final answer” on this issue is patently false. The condescension/patronizing manner of the assertion itself is mind-blowing, and yet perfectly fits the personality type of the person making the assertion.

Considering the source, I guess I really shouldn’t be surprised.