no big deal. Whenever its ready, its ready. We’ll continue to make fun of you in the meantime.
Have the AMD or EPL guys got anything to say about the OP of this thread’s car running 11.1 @ 130 on stock intercoolers with a J-Fonz tune? Would be interesting to hear their perspective.
On a non stretched GSXR with a few goodies (pipe, etc) a good > really good rider you’re looking at a low 10 consistently at right around 141 mph…
They thought it sounded right. It was really close to AMDs trap time on pump gas (128.x). It also makes sense tha the AMD car would be slower looking at his awesome shifting abilities. (at least 3 seconds lost to shifts that’s a lot of time with no acceleration) seems like stuff added up there. Obviously the guy can drive. I’m seeing that 1st and second are just a means to get to 3rd in my car. 3rd pulls like a freight train. 4th does too. Not that first and second don’t pull, it just doesn’t come into its self fully until 3rd. It held HP well on the dyno. From peak to 7500 it only fell off 25hp which is nice. I shift earlier to stay in the Torque spike. (I’ve only got on it with meth maybe 7 times)
AMD was on a pump file? Or a pump gas + meth file? Let’s be realistic…big difference as far as the parameters of the file go. Granted the 11.1 car was tuned for E85, but let’s not go calling the AMD car a pump file. We all know Jason has said the Tials are not very effective on straight pump gas so I doubt highly that the 128 trapping car was on pump. He also said recently that he can’t remember the last time he/EPL wrote a pump only file for one of their builds. Correct me if I’m wrong (or correct yourself if you’re wrong).
Also the only way you lose 3 seconds to shifting is if you decide to take a 1.2-1.3 second nap on each of the 3 shifts (since good drivers take 0.2-0.3 seconds as it is). You have to mentally commit to being that bad.
I think notorious VR ripped his shift knob off on one run and didn’t lose 3 seconds. I for example, while racing a Mercedes C63 at the strip, completely fucked up the 3-4 shift. I honestly completely missed 4th, then revved the engine in neutral, then clutched again, hit 4th, then got back on the throttle. I ran 12.98. The previous run against the C63 I had no shift problems and ran 12.82. That’s 2 tenths . The videos are here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYhGs3NeaQk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyMzSM4yYCk
3 seconds is fantasy land excuse stuff. killers4/burningcoal ran 12.4 or something. Saying he wasted AT LEAST 3 seconds on shifts means he’d run 9.4 or even better…and that’s a bit of a ridiculous commen when no EPL tuned Tial S4 has even run 11.999 or better yet.
Let me explain what I mean. Not 3 seconds out of the ET. 3 seconds of power off to power on. The AMD car missed fourth as well in his run. I derrived tha number from looking at his 60-130 attempts. If you look at his 60-130 one shift run it’s about a second from power off to power on. He didn’t shift it to encourage a quick load onset. I am on my phone and working at a farm, but feel free to check my claim. Yep it was 92 and meth (maybe worth 96-98 octane) which, when he tuned my car allowed 5 less degrees of timing in the range compared to the 93 (with meth) that was in my car when it was shipped there. It’s easy to agree, the fact of the matter is E85 is far superior to 92 + meth. Some say E85 is better than Q16 (not sure if I agree). So, even if the shifts weren’t shitty, which they were, he isn’t the best driver as far as shifts go, the difference in fuel should make the difference (in my opinion should be more than 2mph).
Sorry to confuse, but I really don’t see this as “fantasy”, it’s pretty factual to be honest.
To back up reids statement I heard from a few people that burning coals is a poor driver, I went to the track a while back and two men were buddies and they had a ford GT and a ZO6 their best time all day was a 13.13 at 114…so you can be that bad! I am not saying 3 seconds is the time i could see 1.5-2 seconds…Now I have ridden with you and you can drive SackOfMojo, and my brother can drive too! I hope he goes to the track soon so we can see what the 3.0L 605 car can do! Anyway i just got my clutch and it is in the tranny and bolted to the engine! Now the car get to go back together!
I’m just clarifying points here. There’s no way he’s off the power for 3 seconds. There’s also no way he was on pump. The point of the octane was now corrected…he was on 92+METH. As for this other claim, again it’s not cutting it.
If he’s saying the guy was coasting for 3 seconds (time off power), that’s vs. about 0.6-0.9 seconds per shift SLOWER than when a good driver is shifting (3x0.2 to 0.3). That’s still 2.1-2.4 seconds of extra shift time, and that’s pretty horrendous. That means each shift takes him 1.0 seconds, and I can tell you that even a shit driver doesn’t take 1.0 seconds to shift. More like 0.6-0.7.
Here’s Kai from Elite. 0.4 seconds to shift.
http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn477/tsivas27/kairun.jpg
Here’s tonyRS4.Also 0.4 seconds to shift
http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn477/tsivas27/tonyrs4run.jpg
Here’s a B8 guy. This one is about 0.3 seconds to shift.
http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn477/tsivas27/shearun.jpg
Another B8 guy. 0.4 seconds per shift.
http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn477/tsivas27/tsivasrun.jpg
Here’s a guy who shifts co0nservatively (about 0.45 on the first shift shown) and then had a missed shift fuckup compounded by a clutch problem. Took 1.0 seconds. You’re saying burningcoals does this on every shift? i.e. he has a missed shift fuckup compounded by a clutch problem? No chance.
http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn477/tsivas27/Daverevorun.jpg
These guys aren’t superstars. Just decent drivers who pboxed their cars.
His no shift 60-130 was a 5.7 if I am correct. His one shift 60-130 was a 6.4 with a .9 sec power off power on. Go find it dude, the graphs you posted aren’t him so they are irrelevant. It is general knowledge all of AMD tial and GT cars run meth so don’t play it like I was trying to be sneaky. Fact of the matter is E85 is way better than 92 with meth. You avoided that comment completely. How about you stop dodging my descriptions and go find his one shift 60-130. Possibly he can post it up, but you claim to be this awesome internet surfer, how about you prove your self worthy of continuing this argument and post it in a new thread.
what the fuck is an awesome internet surfer? Listen I don’t need to see his one shift run. It means nothing unless it was recorded the night he was at the strip. It means he sucked on that one shift doing the pbox run. It means he sucked that one time while changing from 3rd to 4th. That’s it. You’re saying he always drives like that? he himself said on this site that he’s a good driver and has done highway streetraces before etc. But you are saying a guy who is probably around 30 years old and has built a 750 horsepower supercar doesn’t know how to change gears?
Further, you said he was on pump. HE WAS ON A PUMP + METH FILE! They are NOTHING alike, and to claim ‘everyone knows I meant pump + meth’ is just ridiculous. Everyone who mentions octane when discussing a time at the strip is doing so to qualify the run…and to give an idea of the file the guy was running. You don’t say ‘pump’ when you mean ‘pump+meth’ because that’s what AMD always does. There are like 4 people on this forum who give a fuck what AMD always does. You’re clearly trying to sandbag the run to make excuses. Only you are trying to debate the irrelevant merits of E85 vs. pump+meth (you’ll note that I said way above 'granted the 11.1 car was on E85). We already discussed the merits of E85 vs. race vs pump vs pump+meth wile you were off taking dancing lessons 2 months ago. Go look it up…it was a good read.
My point above was simple, to correct a pretty big omission by you, which, for a massive AMD EPL loving fanboy loooks pretty clearly like an attempt to make the 128 look better than it was. This would be like me saying ‘JHM ran 10.8 seconds in their S4 and jaybquick is just a normal driver so there’s much more in it.’ You’d shit your fucking pants.
I have to say something here with this whole pump, pump + meth, E85 debacle since it keeps being used as a point of reference.
The 11.1 car on E85 is obviously a car with a huge advantage as far as fuel goes… pump + methanol even when running 100% meth will not compare. So while it’s nice to be able to throw the 11.1 E85 + J-Fonz car in everyone’s face, it is indeed an unfair comparison unless the other car is also running on E85.
That said, I do agree with you that saying a car is running pump when in reality it is running pump + methanol injection (any mixture) is cheating. ESPECIALLY if the car is running anywhere from 75-100% methanol as that makes a very, very big difference when it comes to power output and tuning with added boost and ign. advance.
And yes, I did have the shifter fly off in my hand in a run on the 1-2 shift and I still managed a mid 12 sec run if I can remember correctly. That was with the confusion time of “WTF is going on here, what just happened” and throwing the shifter on the ground grabbing 2nd and moving along. I even managed to beat the muscle car in the lane next to me lol
Wow we all need to put this much effort into our work and we would be worth more money and then we would not be worried about audis but what yacht to but this week!
LMFAO at the dance classes…
I was pleased to be able to ride in a really refined 3L car. “Its been over a year since I’ve driven mine…”
Let me tell you this I’ll be the first to admit I told reid not to 1/4 this car or p box it or do anything other then daily drive it until his yellow car is done. He has a well put together AMD built 605 S4 is it fast yes for some reason it doesnt make good ground in first and in second gear… I raced him in a tune and down pipe jb4 335 auto convertible car on map 2. He did not pass me until 3rd gear from a 20 roll. but when he shifted into 3rd gear he took me by about 8 cars instantly it was like the s4 shifted into warp drive lol. Bottom line is you need to know how to drive a s4. Chris green has a stock 01E tranny in the USP vr6 s4 he can drive and has never complained about the short 1st and second gear.
This is how you launch a 600whp s4
Saki, to go back to your original question so we don’t get too side tracked. It made sense to AMD and EPL that a 770 car on E85 went 11.1s and trapped 130 because their’s was 128 on pump and meth. Let it be known, every larger than KO4 AMD car runs meth unless otherwise stated. Now you know.
No, I would believe someone I they told me that they didn’t have the best run, just like JHM said about their car having issues.
Funny about the dance lessons, I know about E85, I used it for a year and I have read up on it excessively. I don’t know everything, granted, but I knew most of what was said in the write up. You were avoiding it, it makes sense the two cars were close in trap.
Stop being a derelict.
I was saying he has posted 1 second power to power posts, my point was, it could be apart of the problem of the run. He also did miss a gear.
I’m not sure why you keep arguing with me over this… Why don’t you do something productive with your time.
^^^yeah, I know that E85 kills pump, pump + meth and even race in some applications , and I learned all that in the thread where you guys all posted and explained the differences.
Just to clarify again though that is not being debated in this thread and at no point did I say ‘pump + meth is just the same as E85’ to anyone in this thread. What I said was pump + meth does not equal pump, and tweets should misrepresent the burningcoals time that way, as it implies there’s a ton more on the table.
So your best time was 11.9 that night…and this was like 12.5 or something. With the shiftknob coming off…and having to shift with a metal stick. That’s ironic because that’s what burningcoals ran when giving it his sunday best lol.
sounds like EPL tuning at its finest.
hunter take that car to CV and give reid an early christmas present
so now it has gone from ‘he was off the power for 3 seconds’ to ‘I noticed this on his one 60-130 run he was off power for 1 second, so I just extrapolated that horrible shift time x 3 at the strip and inserted it’
See…now you know why I ask these questions. Add this to the ‘he was on pump’ and you see why you lose credibility on this forum whenever you show up.
Just focus on facts…it’s much easier. Here are you two comments I questioned…now proven to be bogus
Only facts I have is his almost one second shifts and a miss-shift. So I was sticking to the info supplied. The run wasn’t monitored so obviously it could have been different. It is still a more accurate presumption than posting other peoples shift times.
The tune isnt why my car doesn pull in 1st and 2nd like it does on 3rd. And the race agains the 335 was not me driving it like I would at the track. Stop trying to pull your shenanigans. When I post up a 10.99 or better will you write a public apology to me, AMD and EPL for falsely defacing? Are you able to set the crown of E-pride that you so wonderfully wear?
Plain and simple it was not a surprise to anyone at AMD or EPL that the 770 car ran what it ran.
This car should now be running a little better than 11.1@130 since we swapped ic’s.
Idk if you saw the difference in the accel logs, but it is decent.
No, I feel dumb to say I didn’t see the log. That’s awesome, I think we all knew it had quite a bit left. Mind throwing up a comparison log?