One in 10,000 fistfights results in getting beaten to death
One in 100 stabbings results in death
One in 10 shootings results in death.
It’s a highly effective and dangerous escalation tool.
Not even close dude… and taking guns out of the peoples hands who respect and follow the laws will do nothing to those who could care less about law.
If you don’t want to own a gun, then don’t…if you want to live another day, then don’t argue with people or be confrontational…if someone breaks into your house at night, then give him everything, all of your cash, anything he wants and hope he doesn’t rape your wife and make you watch or kill you…because in the end he obviously didn’t give a shit about the first law he broke by breaking and entering so what is stopping him from escalating.
Since the beginning of time there have been people who have no decency, changing laws will never rid any society of these people. If they don’t do it with a gun it will be something else…owning a gun is a responsibility that many can’t handle, but some people also shouldn’t reproduce or have pets…but they do… so where will we stop these limitations?
Let cops do their job…lol
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most cops can’t handle the authority they are given.
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Amen.
Not proud of my country.
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Well said Euro.
Here is what I think is getting missed. Travon was on drugs at the time of this…he was kicked oiut of school for fighting and bringing drugs into school…if this was travon shooting Zimmerman we wouldn’t even be talking about this…the media thinks were so stupid that posting pictures of travon at 12 vs thr pictures of the gold tooth drug addact that he was…
the other facts about trayvon and zimmerman that get missed include
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he was trespassing. He hopped a fence to get into this neighbourhood in the first place. It’s a private neighbourhood.
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the neighbourhood had been suffering a rash of break ins of late, putting the community on edge (and nerdsauce zimmerman)
Nobody talks about that for some reason.
Also interesting was that Trayvon was a white hating racist, ironically. A quick review of his now deleted twitter page shows it is RIDDLED with anti-white posts and language. Further, his manatee of a girlfriend confirmed Trayvon’s description of Zimmerman as a ‘CREEPY ASS CRACKA’. Again…nobody mentioned that. Nobody wants to talk about wannabe gangsta Trayvon (from a nice middleclass family) being a confirmed racist and perhaps taking on Zimmerman. Clearly Zimmerman was following him, but you know he was just being a rat waiting for the cops to come. THe fact it got physical wasn’t zimmerman’s plan. Maybe racist Trayvon created a situation with a guy who was unforunately carrying
Knowing Trayvon used a racist term to describe Zimmerman, can you imagine the outrage if Zimmerman had used a racist term to describe Trayvon?
Pretty lame ass story all around.
My theory - America is FUCKED with guns, so you can’t ban them now, because it’s too much a part of American culture and crime. Registries to make getting guns tougher and stuff can help a bit, but a ban will never work. They’re just too hooked on the crazy (fucking moronic) notion that more guns in America willl equal more safety. It won’t. The country is just too stupid. No offense to some of the Americans on the site. However the grand majority of your country is literally too stupid to own a gun…yet they’re quite likely to own 2-3.
Switzerland is rampant with guns. Not much gun killing there. Mostly long guns from mandatory military service. Canada too…and we have our share of gun crime…but nothing like the US.
My point is people are stupid, guns aren’t the issue…and there is no such thing as racism against whites…which Zimmerman was about as white as Obama.
I don’t think the majority of America thinks that more guns= more safety and for the amount of people that do own guns in America our rates are still some of the lowest in the world
I am with you on the idiots that own guns, but I also think people should have to take a test and be found fit to reproduce…none of those things should be controlled by a higher entity though especially our POS Federal government.
I have a carry weapon permit and I carry. when guns were banned in Australia gun crime went up 800% the same has happened in other countrys. I don’t have a gun for any other reason then it didn’t take a gun for those people on drugs to eat peoples face or for the people to bomb the Boston marathon or for the large percentage of other people that wer killed 38+% of murders are done without guns. Detroit is the second largest crime city in America only second to another city in Michigan. death crimes are about 45% non guns in Detroit. Its dangerous people have lots there minds.
In some countrys guns are not needed in others they are. All depends on the mental state of the people in the country. this is very true
Many, many deaths are either a consequence of some yahoo, lowlife who thinks he’s king shit with a gun or a bat or a knif, and causes deaths that could have been prevented if they weren’t abusing alcohol or drugs or had better education.
Making guns non existent for honest people just puts the dishonest people at an advantage. The USA is basically a cesspool of crime and low moral standards. Gangs drugs trafficking and violent crime is illegal here but we have no shortage of any of it. The same people that are in gangs drugs trafficking and violent crime don’t care about the law just like they don’t care about gun laws. Its people like me who are not into any of that and don’t even where to get involved in any of that. that are effected by gun laws.
A good friend of mine said I never met a criminal that cared about gun laws. You don’t meet a gang banger getting ready to do a drive by that just came from registering his gun. MAkeing guns illegal is just make it like crack. only criminals into illegal wrong can get it. PEople in america think twice about pulling crime in Texas where you know everyone has a gun.
As for trayvon its just the media trying to do more racist storys that keep America from coming together. The biggest crime in America is the media
Please provide a source for this statement. Everything I’ve read has shown gun crime going down in Australia post ban (and please show it for these other countries as well).
I’ve also read made up numbers from the NRA but even they didn’t go as far as saying 800%.
To riot is never a good idea and I think it just shows the laxk of any kind of education…still when you see shitty news coverage that basically causes this race war maybe NBC news needs to be put on trial. This is a blatant continued lack of reporting and seems to be a one sided attempt to get ratings rather then news. This looks bad for nbc
The neighborhood watch volunteer contends the network’s March 27, 2012 “Today” broadcast painted him as a racist by editing out significant portions of the discussion he had with police, The Washington Post reports.NBC’s abridged version of the conversation stated that Zimmerman told police, "This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black."The full tape of the call went like this
:Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black
I’ll let Sir Charles speak for me on this:
Good find. Both in the story and the website
My theory is that the trayvon phenomenon is blacks fighting back for relevancy, away from the new majority-minority, Latinos. Politically, Latinos are becoming a much larger voice and organized group.
Immigration and citizenship has stolen their thunder. I’m being serious.
Just came across this thread and here’s my $.02…
I am a very firm believer in guns and the 2nd amendment. I am on my university’s competition pistol team, am currently an NRA firearms instructor and range officer, and I am one of the range officers for the county’s local sheriffs department. Mind you I am just 22. If you guys seriously think that the police will save you, you are so wrong it’s not even funny. In non-school related competitions, I have invited officers to come out. Some have come out on invite and others have plain showed up by word of mouth…they almost always finish last or at least second to last. Keep in mind they typically use their duty belt, holster, mags, mag pouches, and firearm. That’s utterly pathetic that citizens are far more accurate and faster than their own police. But I digress…
I carry everywhere and anywhere I am legally allowed. Just a couple of points I wanted to address after reading through this:
1- America in a sociocultural context is FAR different than Canada. We have these things here called ghettos and in these inner city ghettos come gangs and gang violence. We also have a rampant drug problem. Two things come from this: people willing to do anything to get their fix and an increase in gang power. Both of these lead to violence and crime against innocent people and within the ghetto population themselves.
2- soaRS4…I doubt you could effectively karate chop bullets coming at you at around 1200 fps. If hand to hand combat was so effective then I think we would be teaching the military more of it, unfortunately it is only good in CQB situations upon which the reaction time to pull a trigger is far faster than to disarm the perpetrator in which case it does no good to the person without the gun.
3- a registry would be a clear violation of our privacy and would move to stop nothing. How’s the war on drugs working out here so far? Illegal items continue to drain through the borders in massive quantities…don’t believe for a second illegal guns wouldn’t follow in place of a ban.
4- If we take a look at Chicago and DC…two places with the strictest gun laws in the US have the highest crime and murder rates…gun control does not work in America. Never has, never will.
5- In my state of Florida, since the issuance of CWPs in 1987 only 165 have been revoked due to a convicted crime with a firearm (http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/reports.html)…there are over 1 million licenses that are ACTIVE in this state. That doesn’t count all that have been issued in the past. Do the math. People who hold these licenses are responsible people for the most part.
Now with the case of GZ/ TM…you can argue he should not have gotten out of the car all you want but following someone is not a crime, striking someone in the face is. GZ was walking back to his car provoking no one after TM had disappeared and GZ had reported it to the dispatcher after being asked where the suspect had gone… and then TM attacked him. For all we know one more blow to the head on the sidewalk could have killed Zimmerman. It only takes once. Was he negligent? That is very hard to say…if he died from the beating then a use of force would have been justified but we are all reacting to this in hindsight. We don’t know the exact details and never will. Based off the evidence and GZ’s past history the shooting is justified under FL law.
I’ve had 2 incidents happen to me personally. The first one is why I carry very strictly. The second is why I might still be alive today. As a firm believer of firearms I think it’s a sort of brainwashing that gets people to believe guns are the problem when in fact they really aren’t, its the people using them. That flawed logic kills me everytime I get into these conversations. I’ll never understand this irrational fear of guns some of you have.
Canada has ghettos
Canada has gangs
Canada has drug problems
It’s not different. We just don’t have fifty million guns (or the resultant 1000 gun murders per year that go along with them).
Your credentials are impressive. You’re not the problem. As I said, the gun culture in America and the massive fear mongering program that goes with it results in dumb unqualified people holding guns…and people dying. Never gonna change.
I live somewhat near Oakland, CA. About every three days a person is shot to DEATH, not stabbed or beaten, but shot to death. and I’m sure you can counter this with it being “ghetto” issue. It is, but if the ghetto didn’t have access to the guns, there would be less deaths plain and simple based upon the guns vs. knifes vs pugilist/fist fight.
Though I admire the design of guns, I don’t feel that I need to own one. Reason: my wife was attacked long ago and would probably turn a front door into swiss cheese is a girl scout knocked at the door trying to raise money by selling cookies. and then there’s the part that ties into all of this crap between Trayvon “The innocent” Martin and this Zimmerman guy.
If Zimmerman felt overly confident, knowing that he possessed a firearm, and followed someone when he should have just reported a “profiling” related issue, like the "NIC/negro in Cupertino, where an African American is statistically is up to no good if they are in the city of Cupertino, but he followed someone.
He followed a person that, from what I read, did not belong where has was. What was said and what brought the two parties together to ESCALATE to a fight is something I do not know, but we could assume that nothing kind was said by either party, the alleged trespasser, or the vigilante wannabe a cop that feels secure knowing that the gun will resolve the issue if it comes down to an altercation.
The idea of that someone with a gun would WAIT until getting into a submissive hold/position is beyond me. The idea that someone had enough cool to reach for the gun and not protect their own head is beyond me, but he did it and at that point, if he felt like his life was threatened, then I don’t have a problem with how it ended. this may seem controversial, but if anyone truly believes their life is threatened, then take another life and suffer the potential consequences later, because at least you would be alive.
What happened is sad, and both sides have a role in how this crap escalated. because guns kill so easily, so indiscriminently, I just don’t think the public needs to have guns. again, look at Oakland. A week ago, A child is shot through a wood front door after the shooter knocked on the door, to bring a target to the other side of the door/inside of the home, that’s just crazy.
If you want to look at strict gun laws, look at Singapore or Great Britain, not Chicago, where someone can drive 30 miles away to get a “gat” I really think that the south side of Chicago isn’t a great example of a gun free area
I have no problem with what Zimmerman did, I would have discharged the gun as he did if I was getting beat down and I thought that I was gonna die.
It’s just a mess because of what caused the escalation and no matter which side your on, it’s tragic. much worse than having a clutch slave cylinder fail-bad joke
Guns dont creat violence. Do you think the drug addict high school drop out racest would have attacked GZ if he knew he was armed…no… TM an unarmed drug addict attacked some one for what reason we dont know and isn’t important. …keep in mind GZ was leaving the sene when attacked and he was at the sene doing his job…people if your going to have an opinion get facts. GZ was part of the neighborhood watch and thsre was a string of crime around this time. …a gun saved an upstanding citizen and killed clearly one of the people causing issies. This is a big win for gun laws…