What is the actual performance on the V10 S6 / S8

A6 All/ S6 All
#21

It might not be a bad idea to create a comment thread, to move some of the performance questions and thoughts to. I think that is an important conversation that needs to be had, and it would be good to have its own thread.

Afer all, we here, are actually the only ones doing testing and documentation.

There are wild ranges on what these cars actual stock potential was. No actual testing was done and when we’re all doing real world testing now the real world testing isn’t backing up the before talked about but never validated results in 1/4 mile and other acceleration tests

When the overall results come back and are posted it will be helpful to have some of that sorted out so we know where our cars total overall expectations stand.

What do you guys think? It looks like we have proof that these cars are all in the 14.5 - 13.7 ish range stock. The S8 and S6 seem to be about the same performance wise. I think its possible to squeeze a low low 13.7 with an extremely healthy car. The ET can range depending on conditions but we’re talking a 103 104mph car in the 1/4

#22

Sounds very reasonable :smiley:

#23

I know from reading that one of the possibe hang ups you had with the range we are talking about was how your car performed . Not having taken it to a drag strip you had the feeling only to go off of and I said it a few times. Your car might have been one of those cars that reallly breaks out of the mold. In the S4 platform we had one or two guy that had cars well outside of the performance range of the other cars.

I think the range of 14.0 to 13.7 is realistic but there is always going to be a few cars that just run a little better. I think one thing that might be keeping a lot of these cars in the 14 sec range is the lack of maintantence on any of these cars. Add in the broken intake issue most dont know about and then the injector and carbon it makes sense on where the performance is at now

#24

Agreed I would say I was very aggressive with maint, maybe too much so.

Perfect maint plus nicely done exhaust and filters and brand new IM and injectors,hand carbon clean etc. and the car was much better than when I purchased. My e60 m5 which had full exhaust and tune was only faster above say above 75. Up to that point the s6 was much more enjoyable and much more tq, and I preferred the deeper exhaust sound. It was a much tighter overall package and it didn’t drink oil and u could get 23-26 mpg vs 17 on hwy and tank was 18.5 vs 22ish, you could see needle go down as you drove the m5… I still love those cars and would consider a 6 speed again but compared to the s6/s8 it was like mainting a Aston/basic Ferrari vs a Lexus.

#25

This is a road side test with the results of 14.0 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tq_JiCFADjc

They did a 0-60 test and said it came up about 1/2 a second slower then advertised. coming in with a 5.7 0-60

These figures seem to all be in line with what real world results are showing.

We have mentioned that there is a good chance to getting a good DA and a good track you might have two or three tenths of wiggle room there but so far the range of 14.0 - 13.7 seems to be where these cars are.

#26

Yeah a healthy car in super ideal conditions stock should be 13.4-13.7. Avg cars with avg maint sure 13.7-14.5.

Add a proper exhaust and filters and ideal maint, 12.99- 13.1 should be the range. Add a tune and super perfect conditions and you might be 12.6-12.9. If a s5 all motor can do 12.6 no reason the s6/s8 cannot do the same or slightly better. Not apples to apples but not apples to oranges eighter.

No replacement for displacement but weight doesn’t help :-/

#27

makes sense since they’re only 420 or so hp, and maybe realistically 400. They’re basically tune exhaust B6 S4 power but they’re 500 lbs heavier. So if you reckon a tune exhaust B6 S4 is good for about 13.0-13.2 @ 105, adding 500 lbs puts that at 13.5-13.7 @ 100-101

#28

100% WRONG… AND actually not even close…

#29

So your going to have to help me with this. And I seriously mean it.

Here is what I just dont get…

You have several real world S6 V10 times that are 14.0 or slower. One of them was paul who had a fresh carbon clean and a new intake so basically the best shape the car could be. He went 14.0

You then have edmonds that puts out a video of the 2007 S6 in 2007. Edmonds tests the cars acceleration and finds that its 14.0. Edmonds echos that the S6 times are about 1/2 a second slower then reoprted. Once again keep in mind the edmonds test was in 2007 on a brand new S6 V10

So with the 2007 S6 track tested in 2007 and the car was new you really dont get much better then that. It still only went 14.0

so how do you somehow even tho there never has been one case of the S6 even going faster then 13.7 how do you somehow come up with 13.4… Thats not even in the zip code of possible and nothing backs up even the thought that the car is a 13.4 car in even the worlds best stock form.

So honestly why do you keep saying a car that shows and tests at 14.0 is somehow able to go over half a second faster stock. I dont even understand the rational thought behind that.

#30

Its the internet so I want to make it clear my post is not meant to be hostel but I trully dont get where your coming from espically now that the edmonds test was done on a new car and it showed 14.0

#31

If you want to hang your hat on the edmunds test, be careful because someone else might hang their hat on another test that was far faster…

Reality is that if you have a real 1/4 mile run done on a real 1/4 mile track…and not one that has been ‘corrected’ for DA like they do in California…then you’ll have good data.

Until then, you have nothing but shit guesses from magazines who are reviewing the very cars who advertise in their pages.

#32

Don’t want this to turn into a war thread. If you have a perfect car perfect condition perfect da, a mid 13 is doable in the car. Doesn’t really matter, add filters, proper catback and your deep 13 super high 12. Add a tcu and ecu your <12.7-12.8, again were talking perfect conditions etc.

To saki points and even your points Justin, most no one who owned a s6 modded or stock went to the track, and even if you look at published times, they are all over and minimal at best. You also have better example and others worse then others.

Again I hope I’m right , but maybe you all are :slight_smile:

#33

you’re just making shit up

show some results. Much more useful.

certified dragstrip, non-corrected numbers. That’s the whole point of the fucking thread lol. The point is that people (like you) just make shit up as ‘this is what is done’ when reality is that none of it has been done. What has been done is shitty times have been run.

You showed that you’re absolutely fucking CLUELESS when you say 13.5 is standard and that with an air filter (civic much), catback and you’re running high 12. You’re absolutely delusional. This would mean that catback and ‘filter’ would gain you around 50 hp. Hearing you say this shows you’re literally a performance neophyte.

No war needed. You shot yourself in the foot.

#34

My post is about same as yours? In for the results

#35

I’ve also owned the car with proper modifications and have done my homework. Appreciate the kind words as well, hopefully Kurt and team can prove us wrong

#36

Good point. So far the one solid 1/4 mile was the one at milan and it was in the 14s. From there you have paul in Aus and he ran a 14. then you have the edmund so called run and that was 14. I think road and track tested and said they got 13.8 but again thats possible it was corrected. The rest of the so called performance times are just restated and not tested. I can see good DA car going in the 13.8 or even 7. I just think in stock form there is no standing proof that there is even the possibilty in stock form that the car would be capable of a 13.4.

Again this isnt meant to be an argument but just an understanding of where vtgt is coming from. I see 14 seconds as the normal from what we have seen from the few tests that we have. I do see 13.7 possible as the best total real world best conditions possible time. But I dont see the cars going any faster in stock form no matter what the case. Now when you start modding them I think the performance will really wake up but stock I dont think anything much under 13.7 is possible in any condition.

#37

I hear ya Justin we shall see :slight_smile:

#38

When I first started modding my old C5 v8 A6, I remember doing a lot of research, and then coming on here and posting that my goal of a 12 second car should be an easy goal with the mods I had (or so I thought at the time). Looking back now, I see I was kind of clueless. People on here were polite enough though, and didnt rip me completely to shreds :slight_smile:

When I got my v10 S6, it didnt seem super fast. In fact, it didnt seem quite as fast as my modded C5 s6 wagon, at high RPM. It had a nice kick to it for sure, and a wonderful exhaust note with the windows down. Still I though it would be at least a mid 13 car. Then reality set in…

http://ep1.pinkbike.org/p5pb11847770/p5pb11847770.jpg

Turns out I had a broken intake manifold, but no codes and no check engine light. So, as far as I could tell, the car was running perfectly fine. And yet, it is a pretty consistent 14.6. Even if the manifold were fixed, it would still be a 14-something car.

It took a few Audi car projects before I started to really see the difference between real world numbers, and those in the magazines, or even worse, those floating around the net with nothing but a butt dyno to back them up.

In the end, I finally came to the conclusion… if there is no timeslip from the run, then it doesnt exist. That doesnt mean it didnt happen… but yeah, it probably never happened.

Why is this even important??? Because it is critically important to the people who devote their time to advance the platform. Out of all the ways to measure and compare the results of different engine/exhaust/ecu modifacations of a car, the track visits are by far, our best option. They are not perfect, as we found out when a previous member (who has been kicked off the forum) started posting fake timeslips from an obviously different car, but they are the best that we have.

For the people who spend way too much money and way too much time, tryiing to advance the platform, the unsubstantiated 1/4 mile times with no timeslips, undermine the measurement tool, and devalue the results of their projects. To the guy making the claim without the slip, it may seem like a minor issue. But to the people on this forum who have gathered here exactly because of all the BS/lies/make-believe on the other forums, it is something that cant be tolerated without comment.

vtgt, you are probably one of the biggest supporters of the Audi v10 platform on here, and that is great. Just understand that real performance improvements on this platform have not come easy at all. And anything that was supposedly done in the past by others, was unsubstantiated and BS (in my opinion).

We are very close to finally seeing what can be done with these cars, but it is critical that we have a realistic baseline to compare that to, and not some make-believe BS.

If there is no timeslip, then it didnt happen. Plain and simple.

#39

What does “DA-corrected like they do in California” mean? I’m in California, does that mean any track times I might get in the future will be considered invalid for some reason?

#40

Wow V8A6 great post. Long time no post good to see you putting some thoughts out there. Very well said.

I know some might see my posts and think why does he care whats the big deal but you just summed it up perfictly.