‘‘am sure it has the tts kit with the rotrex, the owner told us its a centrifugal blower, his friend was also boasting about the 25000 GBP the paid for it. i wish i popped a picture of the water-intercooler it was anodized red with TTS logo. The car has french plates, its a wagon’’
MY S5 IS THE ONLY CAR WITH A RED PLENUM CHAMBER WITH TTS CNC’D IN IT. EVERY OTHER KIT SOLD HAS A BLACK PLENUM AND THERE IS NOTHING IN THE KIT THAT IS RED PERIOD!
Actually I have only just listened to this video and the C63 is already on its way as the RS is changing down by the sould of it. If this is a TTS kit then I can only think how sorry the C63 would make other RS4 kits
I think it’s actually the C63 that makes the gear change. Which would kinda make sense with it being automatic. As in he probably was cruising in tiptronic mode, and when he punched the car knocked it down a gear. Also, the C63 exhaust note is the main thing you hear in the video anyways.
Who exactly is lying here??? Come on…im sure you guys are smarter than this. ‘IF’ this was a tts car then how do we know anything about the race from that video??? What gear was he in ect.
TTS as a company always pride themselves on being one of the few companies that do not tell fibs about claimed power outputs ect on forums. We are well aware that everybody finds out everything on the internet which is exactly why we dont bullshit on them.
This video isn’t exactly solid proof of how the rs4 can really perform is it, why don’t we all just calm down a bit and sit back and wait untill we can get a TTS kit to the drag strip. then and only then can people start to comment on the performance of these kits.
There is substantial evidence out there on the other Audi forums that can back up the output figures of these kits. That’s all I need to say really.
Totally agree. However, you have to understand that many v8 S4/RS4 folks were led to believe that the VF and PES sc kits on the S4 were pushing good dyno numbers when in fact, when on the actual pavement, behaved like crap. In other words, many of us are skeptical of companies providing kits solely with dyno numbers. Just giving you a background context. Not at all saying that’s your case, just helping you understand. We’re all looking forward to your 1/4 mile times and once those have shown to back up your dyno numbers, then we’ll all nod our heads and say “great job!”
That’s fine and I totally expect people to be a little sceptical until the kits have run up the strip or whatever. But there is a fine line between being sceptical and basically slagging off a product on hearsay when there is no solid proof of what it can or cant do.
We already know how the TTS kit compares to other kits, we have done back to back dyno runs, compared graphs, compared maff sensor logs for airflow numbers ect ect.
Look at the data below, this gives you a very good indication as to how well the kit will perform,
Its not on the chart but from memory I believe the APR kit maff log peaked at 235 grams per sec as stated by Keith at apr somewhere on rs246.com
the thing is the burden of proof is on you as the manufacturer, we can say whatever we care to about a product being garbage since the guy who runs this forum has no need to make advertiser dollars (re. the fine line between skepticism and slagging off a product)… your only recourse to stop people from running with the hersay is to provide proof that it does perform. Given the history of dyno performance =/= real world performance with Audis there is a portion of us who don’t feel a dyno by itself is worthy proof.
Get some 1/4 mile slips with an in car and out of car video at a certified dragstrip and people will stop saying bad things. Driver skill doesnt matter tremendously when you provide a video and a time slip, you can see exactly how the car performs with that information in an actual test of acceleration. If the clutch is slipping, we can see that, if the tires are spinning we can see that, if you cant shift we can see that, if your line sucks we can see that, if all that happens and you still knock out a 120+ trap then we’ll see that you’ve got something special built.
I understand the weather is most likely not sympathetic to this goal at the moment, I’m speaking more generally. And I do want to see this kit succed and provide a solid bump in acceleration.
someone is lying (or made a mistake). It’s either:
the guy who owned the AVANT…who told them he had the TTS kit when he didn’t
the guy who posted the thread…who claimed he saw the TTS kit
TTS/MRC about their kit’s capabilities.
At this point nobody really knows. You guys make some good compelling points (in here) that would discredit the mercedes driver/thread starter ahmed18881. I’d like to see you address the MBWORLD guy head on though. I mean you made accounts to come here to audirevolution (where your potential customers are) to protect your name and do some damage control…I would think you ought to go to MBWORLD and clear the matter up in its entirety. I sure as hell know I would (if I was telling the truth).
For the record, I’m incliined to believe you guys, and I’m inclined to think the maker of the video and the owner of the avant are all a bit confused. HOWEVER that doesn’t mean your kit is great. Again…as beemercer said, go prove it’s fast.
Nobody here really trusts dynos to win their $20,000 spend. Well scratch that, a couple of the AMD B5 guys might…but nobody else does (just kidding AMD guys lol)
someone is lying (or made a mistake). It’s either:
the guy who owned the AVANT…who told them he had the TTS kit when he didn’t
the guy who posted the thread…who claimed he saw the TTS kit
TTS/MRC about their kit’s capabilities.
All I know is that the TTS kit makes the power and that my kit is the only red kit in the world and that the video was the vaguest thing I have ever seen for anyone to pitch an argument about. Do a proper video showing all the facts with proper roll on and/or standing starts.
problem is its a benz guy so he doesn’t seem to be pitching anything…just trying to show how great his mate’s C63 is to other benz guys. They don’t care about the RS4 frankly.
Go in there and clear the air HORSEPOWER. Step up.
Sakimano, right, due to this bunfight on here I asked doug at Mrc to get in touch with George who owns the car and find out what really happened rather than trying to deduct it from some crappy video. The response has come back as follows… His words not mine.
Yes it was the tts kit (someone has clearly got confused with the red cam cover thing) he started in the wrong gear at which point he was at 4k revs. The rotrex doesn’t really come alive till higher in the rev range. Also those mercies make very good power low down due to the size of the motor! Monster torque! they apparently tried again at which point he started a gear lower and managed to pull 2 car lengths on the merc in an identical race!
So as I originally thought the video did not tell the whole story. If it was better quality we could have seen this straight away.
If we are talking drag strip runs, apparently Danny has run his rs4 up a strip a couple weeks ago, he was struggling to get a good time as he was struggling to launch it, but he managed a terminal speed of 124mph. Now if compare that to the times that Keith at apr managed in there’s which was 11.6 @ 116mph does that not tell you something???
As for wanting rich to go on this merc forum and put them right… What would be the point? We are very busy and don’t have time to get into bun fights everytime someone on a forum posts something negative about one of our products. We post on forums that have direct links to products we sell and that is as far as we will go. To go on there would be totally pointless as everyone would already be against the rs4 as it’s the competition. How would you react if someone came on here telling you that there ford focus rs had beaten an rs4 in a drag race? You would probably be very schepticle and not very open to accepting the fact I would think.
Now once again, can we please put the toys back in the pram and just hold on till we can post some hard data on acceleration rates and strip times before everyone starts condeming a kit due to sone rubbish video posted on YouTube.
those results with the benz sound weird. Hopefully the benz owner corroborates that story.
As for danny’s time, DO NOT compare Crail to the dragstrips we have here. The setup at Crail is very ‘light’ on certification or standardization. When Danny traps 124 mph at Santa Pod, it will tell us something.
For the record, Danny/DJPESRS4 couldn’t get any traction at Crail on his MRC tuned custom M112 PES kit either. The launch is a spectacular mess of spinning tires and great sound. He managed an 11.7 @ 122 MPH.
Sounds like on a TTS kit he got a 2 mph bump. Nice…but not substantial. Further sounds like you don’t want to tell us his elapsed time. That can’t be good.
You guys have time to try to put US right (even though you’ve been wrong on a bunch of stuff, and even though I seem to know more about your customer’s dragstrip history from 3000 miles away across an ocean)…how is it possible you wouldn’t want to step into the MBWORLD thread?
Making condescending remarks won’t get you anywhere.
For the record, for those on the forum who are not up to speed on TTS/MRC and their RS4 supercharger heroics, here’s what we have as ‘proof’.
dyno numbers - we all know dynos can be manipulated for one, and we all know supercharged S4/RS4 cars always dyno well, so we all take them with a grain of salt. In house dynos are always great. Independant dynos too. Hell a PES M90 customer dyno’d 410 whp independantly (then ran 12.9 @ 109 at the strip = fail). A VF Engineering M90 customer dyno’d 402 whp (then lost in 20-120 mph pulls to an identically modified car with the only exception being it didn’t have a supercharger lol!). That’s 500 PS for those in the UK. So yeah…dyno numbers mean jack around here unfortunately. Great for tuning. Great for finding your delta. Crap for selling $20,000 products because they just can’t be trusted.
Nurburgring lap time - one of the TTS/MRC guys took a supercharged RS4 to the nurburgring (can’t go to Santa Pod, but can go to Germany lol) and ran an 8minute 30 second lap time. That’s 30 seconds slower than stock. Of course it wasn’t a pro driver, and the track wasn’t closed, but it’s one of the data points they shared, so here it is. Useless but funny. Don’t know why they mentioned it.
PBOX times - TTS/MRC guys took a car and did some PBOX runs. They produced world class results. Faster than a Lamborghini Murcielago. ALmost as fast as a Ferrari Enzo (a car that makes 70hp more than the TTS/MRC dyno claims…and weighs 800 lbs less). When asked for the file to verify the runs, they claimed they didn’t save them. When asked to do it again, and save it, they claimed they didn’t know how. When told how to do it, they stopped responding.
Crail dragstrip run - a run at a non-certified dragstrip so its useless to compare to times over here, but fortunately the owner of the car went there with his PES M90 and PES M112 kits. He ran 12.2 @ 117 on PES M90. This is a good benchmark because a ton of other M90 S4/RS4/S5 cars ran bests of 12.5 @ 112…so we can see Crail’s timing equipment is pretty generous. The same owner ran 11.7 @ 122 on PES M112. On the TTS? unknown ET (bad) at 124 mph. So it picked up 2 MPH against the PES/MRC M112 kit. Not so great but let’s see him run Santa Pod to see what’s really up.
Tell me how we shouldn’t laugh you off the forum right now for being condescending with that CRAP record of ‘achievements’ when you start trash talking forum members and acting like a dick? You may prove the kit a success with a 11.5 @ 125 run at Santa Pod…but you’ll still have acted like a dick.
It would seem that whatever I post on here you will find any holes in it you can. You can believe what you like, I don’t actually care. But the bottom line is let us run a car at the strip and then we will post the results. That’s the end of it. I am in no way trying to be a “dick” as you call me, I think that award would be put in your direction right now tbh.
For the record, I am not going to bother posting again untill we have run a car up a strip as that seems to be all you are interested in. but ask yourself this. Why are you so quick to try and discredit this kit? I have only posted info I have to hand. I don’t know what time Danny ran. That’s why I didn’t post it. I think you need to take a chill pill before you start trying to tear strips off a company for what? Because you feel the need to prove you are the big man on the forums and know more than anyone else?
we will post the info when we have it. Untill then bye bye
I dont believe you will get anyone here to agree to hold on for data. Is the kit officially for sale? If so then I, along with many others here, would expect to see the data now. Again harkening back to the fiascos with the other 4.2 superchargers we saw a similar sequence of events:
-awesome in development product shots
-big dyno numbers
-unrealized promises of 1/4 mile timeslips
thats why you see the violent skepticism… regardless of what your kit can do, the situation is eerily familiar to previous attempts that failed miserably.
Best of luck, the kit looks great and I hope that you can show how well it can perform.
Deltav - maybe you should protect the R&D stage of this kit better rather than let some hooligans run riot around the autoroute making shite videos like that. I think it can be easy to overlook the importance of a proper product launch rather than letting the internet get carried away.
Get the public excited about the product when you’ve got the answers to questions we’ll ask. Get the kit onto Danny’s car without telling world then get the vid out when he’s run the 1320 and you have the 0-60.
The way it’s happened just puts unnecessary pressure on you now you’ve made the big dyno claims.
I appreciate you work for TTS not MRC so “you” refers to the team not you personally.
As for the 1/4 needing skill, if some half wit ham fisted usually shifts left handed fool like me can get a 13.85 in a stock wagon then anything’s possible!
I ask you instead…why are you so quick to ‘credit’ the kit and why do you get upset when we don’t pat you on the back? All when it hasn’t run a single verified performance test to prove its mettle?
You’re running around spraying champagne as the champion, but you haven’t even seen the race run!
Send me the pbox file. Send me djpesrs4’s timeslip. Send me your santa pod timeslip. Prove something other than insults! I’m trying to keep us in reality, and reality (those 4 measurements above) mean your kit hasn’t really earned anything except best dyno sheet (and most condescending employee attitude).
sorry this was me getting things a little mixed up. I was thinking of there s5 that ran 11.9 @116.9. so please ignore that comment as it is not fair to compare the s5 against the rs4.
I feel I did come over a little to abrasive last night, for that I apologise. It had been a pretty long day and I probably shouldn’t have been posting in that frame of mind. So for that I apologise.
I am however going to leave all info until we have run a car. Any discussion up until that point it would seem is a little pointless as I agree with you that hard data needs to be submitted.
It is not our intention to run around claiming to be the champion, but from existing data we have regarding dyno plots and air flow readings ect it does seem to put the rotrex in good running for producing the goods on the drag strip. It is just unfortunate that it is this time of year meaning we have not been able to access the strip for the last few months.
Please stay with us and we will get data as soon as we possibly can.
Sakimano. I understand that other conversions have not lived up to the hype from what you are saying. So I understand your scepticism. Any supercharger conversion is a lot of money and if the gains arn’t there then the company needs hauling over the coals. I have always run an honourable company offering the best I can and if the product isn’t good enough I will not sell it. Remember we have shown our build from day one, we got caught out with Laminova cores and the conversion didn’t work so we started over, we made all this public.
My JHM clutch will be in by mid morning and then I have 3 days to bed it in. Then if its not snowing or a force 10 head wind i will be there. If the clutch holds I have half a chance of a good time.
So Sakimano do you have a supercharger on your car, what car is it and what kit?
sakimano has no fish in this game. HE has no supercharger he is a true enthusast like the rest of us. He just has seen the PES FAILBOAT and the VF fist fucking. THe TTs kit has the same formula as both of those failed kits did. Tons of video tons of dyno sheets and no backing at the strip. There are always a ton of excuses as to why no one runs
HEll even if you ran and got a 14sec pass we would have more respect for someone posting about it. Spinner ran 12sec back to back and then went to the track claiming he was going to run low 12s only to run the same 12.8
In the End the TTs kit is getting the same responce as the other kits. Not because people don’t think it can work its just this is the same old song and dance. Its hard to tell if this is smoke and mirrors or the real deal
In the end we can’t blame you for being good guys and its hard to blame or get mad at the general consesious of people here as we have seen the dyno and video game before.
The fact that you have a JHM clutch shows me that your more laget then most. If you ask me thats how I see it. generally the companys that put down REAL power look to other companys that put down REAL power to information share.
I guess for DeltaV and yourself. Its more like don’t get mad at us and the quetsions get real mad at PES And VF for making tihs a side show act where you can’t trust a dyno sheet and a video anymore.
watching your build and seeing what you guys have going on. YOur running too much boost and too good fuel to not do well. The combanation looks like it should show well. If you don’t do well at the track just make sure you post just as much as if you do. Even a bad time and a report about it will give more credit then no times at all. Just my .02
(just kidding AMD guys lol)