A slight judder since fitting JHM LWFW

Hey youdame86,

I am so sorry that I didn’t see your request until now…I’ll have to figure how to get notifications from this platform.

You may not still need an answer, but, and this is also to get @SteveRS4 an update as well.

My gearbox failed last year and I had it replaced, under warranty thank goodness. It took Audi 7 months to get me a new one from Germany which was a whole other annoying thing….but after it was replaced the judder disappeared. I have reflashed the car with the standard Stage 1 and 2 tunes and no judder!

Hopefully this is helpful information,

Happy driving!

Any updates Steve or others?

I’ve heard that there’s been 3 or 4 people with the JHM LWFW have had the teeth break, either causing the engine to free spin or damage their transmission, and Steve being one of these people. I know several others were running non OEM/JHM clutches and/or alternate software which could have caused the issues as well.

Since you’ve had juddering and issues since day 1, I wonder if this is partly the cause?

I’m around 5000miles on the flywheel, no issues, and worked fine since day 1, other than the chattering.

Are you talking about the Splines teeth on the input shaft or the teeth of the Flexplate (RS5 version known weakness)? I did install the S5/S6/RS6/etc… version in my car. I do notice a bit more gearbox noise while idling but only slighlty, no driveability issues or juddering. If anyone decides to pull their lightweight flywheel out I may be a customer as I’d like to install one in my S5 too.

I believe it’s the splines on the input shaft, not the flex plate. I do know the ‘new’ batch of flywheels have been ‘hardened’. I’m not sure how many people it’s impacted, but I know of 3 currently who’ve had mechanical issues.

I personally haven’t had any issues nor noticed any noise/vibration/juddering. I do have the ‘chatter’ in park and at idle. Tough call on ‘removal’ for a slim chance of failure, but something to keep an eye on. I do really enjoy the drivability with the LWFW, probably the best mod for the car to date.

I was in the group buy for the first batch of flywheels, hope mine is good. Haven’t really pushed it hard, probably push my S5 harder.

Yep, you Steve and I were the first 3, with Steve having it up and running first, then myself and I’m pretty sure Steve’s is now shot.

The shop car at JHM is running the JHM original batch flywheel allegedly with no issues, however, the clutches have been completely replaced with their new 15 plate system as the car is now supercharged.

Adam further up in this thread also had the juddering issue, with videos on YouTube and from what I read his transmission is done.

The good news @hahnmgh63 is that the common thread between the 3 issues I know of, was juddering and issues straight from the get go. Hard to know if it was the LWFW, or maybe DSG issues, older RS5 hardware and/or other hardware/tunes. Again, mine has worked flawlessly so far from day 1.

Mine doesn’t get driven much and I replaced the transmisison with a 2015 25k unit last year, probably only has about 26k on it now…too many vehicles.

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Must be nice!

Hey Guys,

My transmission failed about 1 year ago at ~68k miles ….I am pretty sure I was one of the unlucky ones who had the bad build from the factory….2014 model built late 2013. I had it replaced under warranty but had to wait 7 months for Audi to build and deliver a new one.

Since I have had the new gearbox installed in November 2022, the judder has disappeared. I went back to the regular tune from JHM as the “judder fix” tune is no longer needed. So, I am guessing that the judder had something to do with the gearbox.

I will have to go back and read about Steve’s story with the lwfw failure as I was unaware that he had an issue. Sorry to hear that @SteveRS4. I will be praying to the universe that nothing like that happens to my car. I haven’t had good luck so far with this car that I just love to drive…mechatronic, rear differential and gearbox all having to be replaced since I have owned it at 33k Mikes. I am currently at ~72k.

I’ll have to search too, I also didn’t know that Steve had a Flywheel failure? I hear a little flywheel/clutch noise at idle but that is expected, and really not much, maybe even more like gear lash noise. Mine is a '13 car with a '15 transmission, tranny had 25.5k when installed in the car.

The RS5 is a tough platform. The transmission internals seems to be the smallest and weakest along with the already known prone to have issues. It’s like you guys are on the front lines figuring out what issues are the norm on a limited production vehicle

I’ve had this jutter since 57.7k miles and I’ve put on 17k miles. I just thought it was a “feature” of the LWFW… It’s certainly annoying because you can hear it rattling from the outside and people think your car is broken.

I still don’t have any judder and have been driving my RS5 more often with the better weather. I can hear a little bit of very light rattle at idle but that is expected with a light weight flywheel but only perceptible to me really, nobody has noticed it enough to make a comment.

The DL501 is an amazingly strong gearbox. Doesn’t mean there aren’t bad ones but the actual gear set is stronger than what you find in the Graziano gearbox in the R8.

The weak link is the clutch basket it appears. Some will break off the “fingers” or teeth and you’ll find these when changing your ATF side fluid. They can cause an imbalance which leads to other issues (naturally). The 3.0T guys with the DL501 seem to suffer the most from this (with stock flywheels/clutches) but there are also 10X the number of S cars vs. the RS5 so greater numbers means greater number of failures. I’ll see if I can find Jerry’s photos of his clutch basket teeth that were found in the ATF pan.

There are a few others who bought the flywheel early on and are not having issues and have 10’s of thousands of miles on the flywheel. They drive their cars hard too. At least one has chatter and uses the “chatter” tune. But his flywheel is still going strong and he takes his car out on slow group drives all the time (slow being sarcasm).

Out of all the failures I know of, none have been cut and dry, there have been extenuating circumstances so it makes it very hard to determine where the issue is starting. I personally would not have a problem installing the flywheel, along with the new clutch, in my own car.

The center section of the flywheel can’t be as hard as the input shaft for obvious reasons.

I’d say you’d be hard pressed to get the OEM or the JHM flywheel to fail. Lots of other weaker parts in the gearbox than the flywheel, cluthes for one, just as Ape mentions. With that said I don’t do any launches on my car. I’m more into running it on the track or down the twisting mountain road. If I wanted a car to launch I’d buy a Hellcat…or a Tesla…but neither of those are track cars.

It might have been stated already but the DL501 isn’t the same in all cars. The 4.0TT cars have more clutches and beefier parts.

The best case study really for us has been the B8 S4. You can see a great many failed and then see why. You’d be surprised that not all of them were tuned.

As for the flywheel. I don’t see a situation where replacing the OEM flywheel with the lighter JHM unit would have anything but a benefit. Looking at other cars if you’re getting the “chatter” that is a bird in the coal mine if you ask me. The OEM flywheel buffers out so much that it’s just covering up lash issues in the transmission. Again the B8 cars just fail. The only thing I would add is that I Read some where someone said they’re flywheel broke then the tech told them that damaged their transmission. They tried to say parts from the flywheel made it into the transmission.

For those of you whom have worked on your transmission know this is the single dumbest thing anyone can say. It’s the old line of saying. tell me you have no idea how your transmission works without telling me you don’t know how your transmission works.

IF you don’t already know. Your transmission is sealed obviously or you’d have fluid everywhere. There isn’t a possibility for flywheel parts or any outside part to make its way into your transmission. Anyways.

It was covered in an earlier thread where someone (in Euroope I think) had replaced their clutch baskets, in the RS5, with those from the S6 (1 more friction plate in each clutch to deal with the extra torque of the 4.0tt). Most all of the other parts in the DL501 S4, S5, S6, S7, RS5 are identical. Clutches as mentioned for the 4.0tt cars are adapted for the extra torque. RS5 has a unique Oil pump, I can only imagine it is there to deal with the extra couple thousand RPM’s the RS5 does to Redline whereas the 3.0T & 4.0tt have similiar Redlines. Gearing between them is a little different too as well as Final Drives & read Diff gearing. Electronic boards are interchangeable too, different flash but the electronics are the same.

Can you migrate the oil pump gear over? The gear on the RS5 clutch basket is different from that on the S4,5,6 and 7.