lazy^^^!
There’s one here somewhere, but here’s a recent update by Tsivas logging GIAC, REVO, APR.
http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=1463.msg35727#msg35727
This is a good one…you don’t even need the legend lol.
http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q421/tsivas2727/timingX3_zpsb3ac4ed9.jpg
#6 is here, hahaha. Maybe he can go to Montgomery and just show us in a time slip what is on his car.
I think he is looking for the “I killed my engine thread” on that other site…
^^^You guys have carried the flag nicely for APR B8 S4 products. It’s nice to see the manufacturers go and prove the parts work, but at this point for the B8 S4…I struggle to see the benefit for APR hitting the strip unless it’s with the Stage III kit as part of the launch. For that I would certainly expect them to do it.
But to go stage 2, maybe they go and unseat a customer from one of the top spots on the list, and raise the benchmark (that they already own). No point.
well there are I think 2 of them, and one that was never posted.
Changed some names…
It’s on Audiworld, guys. And there was a third car, at least. All cylinder #5, why, I dunno.
My stage 2 setup
APR v2.2 Stage 2+ Software (93 octane) (cold start / catalyst heating removed)
APR Pulley
APR Carbonio Stage 1 & 2 Intake
APR RSC Exhaust
APR Full CPS system
Stock Headers
Stock Cats
I had 034 testpipes at one when stephen owned the car but we removed them. It was to loud.
Race car
APR Motorsport Calibration (98.5 octane) - Similar to stage 2+ v2.2 software. Boost per the rules. Full bosch motorsport brake controller (required extensive ECU work), no cold start or catalyst heating, some driver ‘comfort’ features removed or altered, some component failure limp mode conditions removed or altered, we also alter thresholds on several temperature related items where cylinder, exhaust and motor temps can get higher before intervention and the intervention is also altered (Essentially, this is where some of the ‘accelerated life testing’ comes into play by seeing what the motor can take). Knock sensitivity completely stock. I don’t believe any of our race calibrations for any of our race cars has ever altered knock sensitivity.
APR Pulley
APR Carbonio Stage 1 & 2 Intake
APR Motorsport Custom Exhaust (Stock diameter per rules)
APR Full CPS System (The last race we upgraded the system further given we have so much room to work with)
Stock headers
Testpipes (I believe these are still 034, and I believe they are beefier or something)
Some items removed from engine bay. (mainly emissions stuff)
I swear i’m going to pistol whip the next person who says shenanigans!
-Skid
Could you give a brief explanation of the cold start /catalyst heating being removed? Is that something we can have (do have)? What benefits are there to this? I have an idea of what it is in my head but just want to be sure.
Cold start is for emissions to light off the catalyst in the morning. Basically it’s the whole loud start, high RPM and poor mileage scenario you have each morning.
We really don’t offer this to the public on the B8 S4 right now. No one has really asked anyways.
yea the secondary air injection removal. we wouldnt really beinefficientit much from it other than removing some hardware. call me crazy but i love cold starts, very fun.
Arin, does APR have any other products coming out for the 3.0t or is it after stage 3, is that all we are going to see? i would love some test pipe options that are actually 2.5" or larger. also any plan for tune 3.0?
Nice numbers… Numbers only tell half the story… Honestly the APR Stage 2 car feels so strong, feels like a totally different car. I can’t wait to get a pulley now and if I’m not happy with the GIAC results I’ll be in contact with Arin and Colby… Just giving my GIAC/AWE setup one more shot since I don’t wanna lose the money I have in that tune… We’ll see what happens in the coming months… Either way APR FTW!
I think the GIAC tune will work well with a pulley. There may be growing pains along the way (just as APR had growing pains along the way in 2011-2012 and now) as they solve all the little riddles that come with the pulley, but when you think about it, spening an extra $1000 to switch to APR is a big nickel to swallow.
Ride it out…I’m sure you’ll be happy.
Yeah, all in all I have some good hopes for the GIAC/AWE pulley. I’m hoping for some good numbers 
People are just starting to get the SAI ports in their heads clogged up recently…and its still a major job unless this supposed water jet cleaning Is implemented everywhere. It’s possible, once warranties start to expire, people may start asking for SAI delete to pass emissions tests. Does this reprogramming pass the readiness test, or just ignore the CEL?
Based on what we’ve seen so far, my bet is they’ll have to release versions and more versions until people actually get to use the full blower capability…but hey, we’ll see. They should have stuck with whatever pre-production version that 1fastS4 had on his car at the beginning…
^^^didn’t APR do the same thing (V2, V2.2, this latest MT problem)? Isn’t APR still doing the same thing? It’s not necessarily a grass is greener thing. They’re all learning
The JHM B6/7 S4 tune was revised dozens of times over the years. If you got tuned in mid 2008 and then got tuned in 2012 you’d think it’s a different car. In fact in late 2009 boraVr6 got tuned. Then I got tuned in 2010, and revised in early 2011. He and I had a race and I put 2 car lenghts on him. Then he got re-tuned/revised and we were equal. Now you get the full beans, and you get frigging launch control built in. Night and day from the early days.
Oh I agree, but we’ve seen the pulley for a year now, and it’s just getting released, but the load table still hasn’t been unleashed in full yet. That’s pretty basic considering they had a year.
I really don’t know what method they used to delete it, so I don’t know if it passes readiness or not. I would guess it shouldn’t.
I wouldn’t say it’s the same, but since we have grass (rather than just a parking lot), I would say it is greener (even though it’s brown right now). ; )
The whole boost bypass thing, I wouldn’t put it in the same category at all. What we sold was still what we advertised, there was just more headroom than anticipated in the winter. If we calibrated in the winter (or cold UK), it would be seen right away (Same goes for someone releasing software after this was all discussed on the forums). We could have pulled a revo and just set it as high as we could, but that’s not correct. I think we can all agree there. Setting it to some obscure number limits the ECUs ability to bleed boost when it needs to do so for IAT protection and a number of other necessary protection routines. Once we were aware the extra headroom existed, we made adjustments to the compensational tables, tested, and released an update.
The latest shifting stuff was something I looked into after I felt the car accelerate slower rough shift. Truth be told, I thought it was in my head so I checked. People may have mentioned it before, but I don’t really recall it being brought to my attention enough to raise any red flags. I wouldn’t really call it a tuning fault either. Basically anyone calibrating the car would never noticed it unless they shifted like an ape (like I was, haha). I haven’t even announced availability of it yet other than a mention on here, maybe on audizine and to a couple closer customers.
The point I was making Arin is that all tuners are always learning ways to improve the cars, and to find ways to fix problems that can be addressed to make the cars more enjoyable. I don’t think it’s fair for people to point fingers at other tuners for running into very similar problems that Apr ran into while holding apr on a pedestal. It’s just the slow cycle of tuning a low volume car. The most popular audi tuner in the UK hasn’t even released their b8 program yet for example. It’s a slow process.
That post you quoted wasn’t addressed at you fyi. Or jhm. Or any tuner.
Regarding that sai problem I believe the 3.2 guys are experiencing this. Requires just about a motor pull to address it.
I gotach. : )
On my own personal car I’ve wanted to rip everything out that’s not necessary, and SAI is one of those.
I guess really have no reason to except I can and I can code out the fault codes.
I’ll wait till after all of the supercharger development though.