Ouch!!! I’m sure APR won’t have a single thing to say about any of this. Even if they do, it will be more lies. Let’s face it…that’s what they are best at nowadays anyway.
While I don’t have any photos of cut open exhaust systems, I can in fact vouch for these RSC-less systems and Corsa not being paid in a timely manner…if at all. Typical APR fashion though.
Interesting. It seems I’m one of the customers that was lied to as I have an APR “RSC” exhaust on my B8 Avant. You have me curious, I almost want to open up a resonator to see what lurks.
The RSC design is pretty specific. You can look into the exhaust with a borescope and if certain elements that are present in the patent are not found, you don’t have RSC.
Dave
I had an APR RSC turboback on my Golf R and while it didn’t really drone these posts really make me wonder if what I had was RSC technology. Sure as hell doesn’t seem like it. One of my friends had his welds fail on the very back muffler, also on a Golf R.
I really wish this thread would exist earlier as I would of checked one way or another and possibly went after to get my money back for false advertising as this is pure bullshit.
DAMN!!! Just plain stealing
Thanks Dave, I’ll have to see about borrowing a borescope.
What did APR do (for the people above) after it was discovered they didn’t have “RSC” technology inside their system? I guess I’m wondering what my options are …besides ignoring it and continuing to use something I was lied about.
As far as I can tell, they continued to sell it for a few years without any indications of revisions or changes being made to the exhausts. The B8 S4 change in the rear muffler was in response to reports of drone (many companies had to revise 3.0t exhausts for that reason).
I don’t see the new leadership at APR making any concessions to those that were defrauded by purchasing these exhausts. I myself purchased one of these systems for my #RIPA3.
Dave
How fraudulent, it seems they just keep digging themselves into a hole, deeper and deeper.
Maybe they got the fiberglass from amazon…I hear old people wigs are selling for top dollar now!
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51LxA-%2BNy1L.SY355.jpg
Arin made this statement on vortex. As usual he will not touch this thread. Needless to say it is packed with lies.
[quote=Arin@APR]It was brought to our attention there is a concern we are falsely advertising our RSC exhaust systems. Corsa manufactures the RSC exhaust systems, and we’ve asked them to confirm the systems use RSC technology. As Corsa has told us in the past, they confirmed the systems do contain RSC technology, which is now many generations newer. RSC technology is designed to eliminate undesired frequencies, or drone, which many satisfied customers can confirm it does.
There are claims the RSC systems use 409 stainless steel. This is not accurate according to Corsa. Some of the older systems were made from 304, and were marketed as such. Corsa has informed us their costs associated with manufacturing the systems has increased over the lifespan of the products and required a switch to the current grades of stainless steel. When the grades of stainless steel were changed, we changed our website’s marketing literature.
It’s important we relay accurate information to our customers about our products. We take claims of false advertising seriously and as such, we’re reviewing the content of our website to ensure our literature, some of which is a decade old, is still accurate. As always, we’ll be sure to make any corrections where necessary.
Thank you for the continued support and Go APR!
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http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?7072296-APR-Needs-Some-Explaining-To-Do&p=86652842&viewfull=1#post86652842
The most recent Corsa tubing has 439 LASER & Canada stamped on it. This is verified.
Regardless of changes in design or whatnot, it is not RSC.
Notice how Arin made zero comments about being aware of the issue.
damn, thats terrible. again, thanks for your efforts documenting everything.
This’ll definitely be something to take into consideration when looking for any used APR products. I’d almost wonder if the current situation at APR has management knowing what’s really going on with any of their products and services.
It’s funny, APR employees used to post here.
We used to joke that liars, scammers and fraud artists avoid this site like the plague because there are no moderators or site owners with money in the game to protect them. Same with companies that were full of shit…like PES etc. who would post rebuttals to content here, but would do so only when confronted on A5oc.com for example where they PES were a paying sponsor and had some control. Same for Audizoo before they were banned from the site.
Now APR is doing the same thing, posting almost exclusively on Vortex. That’s pretty sad to see. I would rather confront someone head on and rebut their facts at the source (this thread) if I were them. Of course that assumes they’re willing to get into a discussion with crew on the matter.
It’s not like they’re unaware. APR employees log in here and read the site on a regular basis. For example, yesterday 30 minutes after the recent alleged exhaust fraud was posted.
http://i.imgur.com/RUdpjmT.png
And today
[quote]Keith@APR last logged in: Today at 03:23:51
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This is the saddest thing ever…
stamped APR
stamped RSC (RSC isn’t just ‘noise cancelling’…it’s a very specific, patented design that APR claims to employ in various exhaust systems).
product? = empty can
One of the theories floated on that Whoretex thread is that RSC is a patented design that Corsa owns, and APR subcontracted Corsa to make APR branded exhausts. Fine. However from the looks of things, APR has not paid Corsa, and Corsa have ended the sub relationship. Since APR is still selling RSC branded exhausts that appear to be bullshit in an empty can containing no RSC, one of three things may have happened
Do I have this right?
Saki, look at the date on that B8 S4 can . . . 2010 
Good point. So was that before the relationship broke down with corsa?
So I guess that it was 1 or 2?
Well, when these exhausts are constructed, Corsa flies out to APR and supposedly engineers the exhaust with APR. I’d imagine if they switched them down the line, it would be apparent to anyone at APR considering they had a service shop which installed these things on a daily basis
These are from 2011.
http://i.imgur.com/WTzuAcz.png
http://i.imgur.com/YRLUBvf.png
Btw, that 2nd to last sentence is absolutely hilarious.
I’m going with #2 on this one. I can give you APR’s cost on just about every exhaust that was ever purchased. For example, on 2/6/13, APR was paying $1,300.00 for the B8 S4 exhaust from Corsa and the tips ran an additional $180.00
The A3 exhaust cost $937.00 (Just in case Crew219 was curious)
It’s also funny in that Vortex thread that people are arguing and defending APR (people like Shomegrown aka Chris something aka verruckt aka a million other names) saying that TECHNICALLY what APR did isn’t illegal etc.
yes, it is illegal because you’re arguing patent infringement and trademark laws vs. wilful deceit in advertising, which are governed COMPLETELY differently. His shit example is that Audi says ‘quattro’ on their cars with AWD, even though some use a torsen diff and others use haldex. Same thing? No, not the same. If Audi advertised a car as having a Torsen differential, and then sold it with a Haldex system…THAT would be the same as the APR situation. APR isn’t advertising it as a noise cancelling muffler. They’re advertising it as an RSC muffler. Very different to using a generic term covering a load of technologies…they’re advertising ONE technology, and using another (or none)
he is acting like it is OK that they defrauded their customers and lied to the forums numerous times about what they were selling because on a technicality, it’s ok. How about the fact that we now know the company appears to have been engaging in this action? Anyone ever heard of reputation risk? i.e. the good value of a brand new going to SHIT because of horrible business practices
Such a funny thread over there.
Wow . . . . This is some amazing stuff.
If APR was what it once was, crew219 would have been bought off or disappeared one evening in the dead of night . . . .