APR Deceptive Website and Marketing practices

General Discussion
#41

So here’s some information that was given out at SEMA 2014 this past week (Nov. 4th-7th). Many attendees, both APR distributors and non-APR distributors have heard it.

  1. Corsa already dropped APR awhile back.

  2. Corsa has been working with an APR distributor, HSTuning for MK7 development

  3. HSTuning’s MK7 was in Corsa’s booth with prototype MK7 exhaust hardware

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  1. Corsa plans on releasing their full VW/Audi exhaust line in 2015, much of it in Q1.

Here are scans of the product card Corsa was passing out at SEMA 2014. Note the very specific “304 stainless steel construction”

http://i.imgur.com/o1yV6Lk.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/EXBWFPw.jpg

Since Corsa has already terminated their relationship with APR, I highly doubt the supposed conversations Arin@APR had with them “yesterday” are legitimate. From what other sources indicate, APR is sitting on a large inventory (300+ units) of these APR Corsa exhausts and is trying to clear them out at full retail price before announcing their new exhaust line. After all, who wants to buy a discontinued exhaust with questionable warranty support?

You’ve already seen “new” APR branded products in their MK7 intake (not-Carbonio) and RS4 downpipes (not-Corsa or B&B manufactured). If these numbers are correct, why are RMA’s under such a long backlog and why aren’t they being taken care of?

Remember the sentence I said was hilarious a few posts back?

“We are not getting crates of mufflers built and sent from China to be welded to pipes in America either” --Arin@APR

Yep, still hilarious.

#42

Well Sean@APR kept on spamming the vortex thread with allegations so I finally responded to him. For those that didn’t know, those pics came from APR!

Thanks for asking the question Sean!

The pictures come from APR! The pictures were taken ~2 years ago and Arin and I have had numerous discussions regarding the quality of the exhausts and RSC after the photos were given to me. At the time, I was told that other exhausts were opened and didn’t have “RSC”.

Now why would APR dissect these “legacy” exhausts? Simple. Your new employee at the time was examining them in preparation for the start of the APR exhaust program. Ever wonder who suggested said employee to APR? Why isn’t your exhaust guy chiming in on the exhaust thread?

Here are the un-cropped pictures. You can even see the APR technician’s work shirt in one of them.

http://i.imgur.com/OCY2DBH.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/56CFrHL.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ovUoqOj.png

Dave

#43

I’ve been flamed constantly for my comments about APR’s handling of my ECU tune. It appears there is some deception going on in the company after all!

#44

Your situation isn’t even close to what’s been going on in this thread.

#45

“Now why would APR dissect these “legacy” exhausts? Simple. Your new employee at the time was examining them in preparation for the start of the APR exhaust program. Ever wonder who suggested said employee to APR? Why isn’t your exhaust guy chiming in on the exhaust thread?”

Crew, who is the employee? it wouldn’t happen to be someone with the initials JS would it. I could never figure out why he came to APR, his only advantage is to outsource. You would know that since you know him so well? or was there other reason’s also for his recommendation?

#46

Wrong. It appears to be, potentially, a corporate culture.

#47

I’m getting lost. Please confirm.

APR orders exhaust systems from Corsa (co-designed/engineered or whatever you want to call it…but Corsa is driving the bus and APR is selling tickets)

APR has some warranty claims on these Corsa supplied exhausts/mufflers and in the process cuts into some of them to find they have no RSC stuff inside?

APR was at the time in the process of outsourcing to someone other than Corsa at the time? Sounds like that was someone in China?

APR doesn’t pay Corsa all that quick (like with Audi, and a couple of others), and then Corsa exits the relationship to go on their own

If this is the case, 2 more questions:

  1. why did APR plan to fuck over Corsa? Money? When you’re cutting open an exhaust it sounds like you’re cutting it open to copy it in China
  2. who told Corsa to NOT include their fancy RSC technology, and just use a basic helmholts or glass pack setup?
#48

p.s. Sean @ APR is not so smart. He tried to wade in to that argument…got completely fucking embarrassed by not knowing what he was talking about, and by sounding like a moron. He said 'it doesn’t matter what technology it uses, as long as it makes it quieter and the car makes more power.

No. Dummy.

Your colleagues Keith@APR and Arin@APR both advertised the fancy baffled Corsa RSC technology in the exhausts to justify their price premium over the competition. Keith@APR even went as far as to analogize Helmholtz technology used by APR competitors as a 100 year old telephone compared to a modern day smartphone (APR RSC). Unfortunately those cutouts show that APR uses helmholtz resonators, or worse, just glass pack perforated core mufflers.

THAT’S the issue. Big dummy.

Once he realises he is fukt and wrong and has no idea what he’s talking about, his only next recourse is to question the validity of the photos and to attempt to discredit crew219

Well that sure blew up in his face when crew shows they were sent to him by Arin@APR, and were taken at APR headquarters lololol.

#49

The one thing I have noticed is that Crew219 dots all his "i"s and crosses all his "t"s.

#50

Without question…each and every single time!!

#51

Looks like APR had the vortex thread shut down…good thing other wise they needed to take Sean’s keyboard away!

#52

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/624545-quot-APR-Deception-Coverups-and-Lies-quot?p=10264134&viewfull=1#post10264134

[QUOTE=Arin@APR;10264134]All of the exhaust systems we sell with “RSC” in the name are manufactured by Corsa and do contain RSC technology. We’ve confirmed this information with Corsa again due to all the recent claims otherwise. RSC technology is designed to eliminate unwanted frequencies, considered “drone,” and our customers can attest to this being true. The greatest concern being discussed is related to the appearance of the RSC technology. Corsa has explained RSC technology will vary in appearance from system to system, depending on the frequencies that need removed, and other things like packaging constraints. Some vehicle applications must use large and heavy RSC technology, while other systems have the luxury of using smaller, lighter RSC technology. In each case the end goal is to remove drone, and thus far, that’s the case.
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#53

I just read the latest installment.

Explain to me again why APR is 100% at fault for their supplier (Corsa) providing inferior product and APR reselling those systems without full knowledge or extent of the problem?

Seems like lack of payment to Corsa might be because they were delivering less than promised systems.

#54

Now I understand whats going on, APR knew of the flaw and is continuing to sell them or advertise the RSC technology?

Basically they are playing dumb saying Corsa told us they have RSC, so they do! (even though the cut away clearly proves its shit)

Thats fucked up.

#55

Wow just wow… Looks like APR is sinking deeper and deeper every time they come up recently. That’s going to be hard to get out of. Did anybody notice how Arin@APR changed his signature right away by removing the following quote [quote]the bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten
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how ironic ::slight_smile:

#56

That’s the most ridiculous thing though They must think everybody is an idiot and they could come out clean out of this mess. Basically who gives a shit what’s inside the muffler, for god sakes it could be a bag of shit, as long as it manufactured by Corsa and eliminates drone then by default it’s RCS Really what??? In the mean while on their website true RCS tech is advertised. Ridiculous responses from APR employees!

#57

The problem IMHO is in the very beginning Arin used a very specific RSC diagram/cut away to explain the system and the elaborate design which is driving the price of the system higher than competitors.

If in reality you are receiving a system with shit packed inside and none of the intricately designed resonators or mufflers…there is a huge problem there. Maybe it was a horrible marketing mistake by Arin, but APR has already shown us some of their deceitful tactics…I’d just add this to the tally. Arin/APR just figured no one would ever be a smart enough to catch on and if they did they would point fingers.

If Arin is in fact talking to Coras he should prove it.

#58

I assure you, Arin hasn’t had any conversations, especially recently regarding any Corsa product. The APR/Corsa relationship dissolved between May and July of this year. I’m relatively certain Corsa wouldn’t return and emails or phone calls from anyone at APR…especially “just a marketing guy” like Arin.

#59

I did notice they were having patent issues with their RS4 SC kit. They contracted Harrop to design the first TVS1340 hardware kit and then scrapped it for the TVS1720 kit. This time I believe they designed in house IRC without the assistance of Harrop. I’m guessing there’s a lot of similarities in the design, so much that Harrop has filed suit and APR has pulled the SC kit. The sad thing is Harrop sells a TVS1740 kit for the E92 M3 at $12,900 and APR sells their TVS1740 at $17,749. What would warrant a markup of almost $5k? If you look at the pics, the parts included are almost identical and there aren’t even any HPFPs at that price.

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/17/c0d9516d53dde14a02f52daedeec2b37.jpg

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/17/8ecc6df6560e1f4faa73cf4f106e04ef.jpg

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/17/7b85f4e98b425ceb79f261ca63538b06.jpg

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/17/3fbc71f15550057e16a5723fc22e50b2.jpg

#60

Yeah, $17,750+fuel pumps plus some other stuff. It’s actually in the $19,250 range.

All good questions you raise.

These are similar to the ‘why is the APR Golf R exhaust $2500 and the AWE exhaust is $2100?’ which led to answers of ‘we have special stuff inside our mufflers, they have 100 year old phones’.

They charge that because they can.

If you were to sell the RS4 that you just bought and the ‘market’ rate or fair price was $33,000 but someone was willing to pay you $39,000, what would you do…tell the guy you’ll only take $33,000? Nope, you’d sell it for whatever the market will bear.

Lots of dumb RS4 owners out there who will pay $20,000 for an untested kit whose only ‘customer’ with a running car is, as it turns out, paid by APR for shows and publicity. And from the looks of this thread…to attack APR’s competitors online.
http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=2827.0