APR DSG LC updates?

B8 S4
#1

Just wondering if anyone knows if APR had sent out updates for the DSG’s yet?

Arin quoted my post on 'zine’s 1/4 mile thread about it needing to be fixed that updates had been sent did I miss something? Would be nice if they could get that fixed before the end of the season with the nice cool temps starting to creep in. Figure there is a few more tenths in it.

Right now it’s launching and 4500 RPM with a quick revlimiter sound when it is sitting at 4500. Of course delay when you let go and a launch that is lesser than it was when stock.

Just seeing here if anyone has seen/heard/experienced any updates?

#2

apparently this is potentially fixed. Waiting to see on getting the updated map…

#3

Saw that but have heard nothing

Since we have seen that LC does fuck all (other than make timing your launch tricky) why do you guys care?

#4

I can’t seem to find the slips but my fastest 60 ft (iirc) were on stock map.

I also can’t figure out for the life of me the “primetime method” I have to say his 60ft times are simply insane… Obviously ton’s of practice put into that.

#5

What were imola monsters times like at Thompson? Found then. also good. Low 1.7 range. So two similarly fast cars are similarly his at launching. Makes sense. Primetime had a1.67 on his B8 record tine…imola was 1.74 on his eleven second run. Maybe Thompson is just faster than everywhere?

Lets see…

Sam
81 bear
Jspazz
…all in the low 1.7 range, all very fast cars in the very low 12 second range for ET.

You aren’t far behind at 1.76…and considering your modlist I would say you are outperforming with respect to sixty foot times. There is no secret.

#6

I want the fix just because it’s fun to do once in a while. The original LC in stock form was awesome. After APR’s flash, it blows . . .

#7

what’s fun about it? waiting an indeterminate amount of time for it to actually launch? Launching no slower than stock? I don’t get it.

It’s tantamount to a button in the cabin that when you push it, it lights up, but does nothing…and being upset when the button gets taken away.

#8

Sak - have you tried it in stock form? It’s pretty cool - and, I believe, probably effective at providing the optimal launch at a drag strip (assuming one can time it properly).

Even you gave it a thumbs-up back in the day:

“maybe launch control just doesn’t like the super grip that the track presents? It’s quite different to normal roads/parking lots. Might just be that the grip caused a bit of bog. That one run where it worked looked awesome though.”

  • quoting Sakimano, AZ, 4/4/2011 :wink:
#9

lol nice quote.

I have indeed tried it. Showed a colleague how our worked, on his 11 DSG.

Novelty act more than anything as we now know.

Look at what I said…

“that one run where it worked looked awesome”

look at what you said …
“it’s pretty cool, and I believe, probably effective”

Let me spin this around on you. I have a tune for your B8 S4. I want $1000 for it. If you see a B8 with my tune, you will think it looks fast, and I can say that it is probably making you faster than stock. Would you buy it? Nope. You’d want to see results that prove its effectiveness. If you saw results that proved its effectiveness, you’d keep thinking about it. If the results proved that it was NOT effective, you would skip it and never give it any more thought.

Launch control has been proven to not be any more effective on the B8 S4 than not using launch control is. It just looks cool.

#10

Hmm, I’m not persuaded that the case is closed on LC’s effectiveness. Note, however, that my initial post was just about the “cool factor” of LC, which you also characterized as “awesome.” Every person I’ve demonstrated it to also agrees with this description. LC in stock form really threw you back in the seat, and I continue to think that’s pretty cool - regardless of whether it improves track times.

Now to your point about effectiveness - Take a look at my thread from my first time ever hitting the strip:

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/422058-Went-to-the-dragstrip-yesterday-videos-and-results

My best ET and trap times were with LC properly engaged (Run 5). I was finally starting to get a hang of things on Run 6 and made a fairly decent pass without LC. Result? Still not as good as Run 5 with LC.

Obviously my evidence here is scant, and we clearly need a larger sample. But based on my own experience and from what I’ve read on the forums, I have not seen definitive proof that LC fails to provide the optimal launch.

Unfortunately, APR’s V1 and V2 tunes weaken LC considerably, so there’s really no point in further testing until they come up with a fix. If indeed APR has solved the problem (returning LC to its 3k launch), I’d be happy to be the guinea pig and settle this debate at the track.

BTW - they’re calling you out right now on AZ ;D

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/504213-Why-a-B8-S4-over-a-B7-RS4

#11

they’re always calling me out on forums I can’t post on.

p.s. I offered to do VAGCOM logging, PBOX and GTECH data research on B8 S4s to determine the effectiveness of launch control. I started the thread in B8 S4 AZ like 2 years ago. Nobody agreed to it, so we still don’t have any data. All the guys I know with the B8 (friends) are 2010 DSG or 2011-2012 manuals. Perfectly useless lol. I also know a few forum guys who have 2010 DSG (also perfectly useless)

The world doesn’t want this data to get out!

#12

The lack of data on LC is frustrating. I used to think that APR intentionally weakened it with their tune out of fear that the increased power would negatively impact the tranny, but this obviously isn’t the case if they’ve updated their software to include the original stock code.

I really think we could settle the issue with a decent sample of cars at the track (with the 3k launch).

#13

tsivas should be able to test this reasonably easy, what with all the cars

Problem is he has richi, auditude, auditude’s dad, tsivas…and I think all 4 of them are manual cars. Not sure on that. Apexit has been there too…also manual.

It’s pretty funny how we can’t seem to test this.

Just to clarify guys I was being VERY black and white above (the standard for me). Reality is that launch control works well at not letting you fuck up a launch…and is a really neat trick to show people. While the fastest guys have shown that LC isn’t entirely necessary, it doesn’t mean it’s worthless or has no place in the software.

I had launch control on my B7 S4. JHM included it with their tune (god damn you guys need a JHM tune option lol). Anyway, it was fantastic because I would struggle to get really good 60 foot times from my B7 S4. Always 1.90-1.92 or very high 1.8. That car made probably 290 whp/280 wtq so it should have been able to do better. JHM Launch Assist made it nearly impossible for me to NOT cut 1.8 60foot times. It was awesome.

Works well on the RS4 too as some people have shown. I believe george had a 1.77 60 foot time on his tune/exhaust B7 RS4. Of course jnaut cut a 1.76 foot time without it. As always, LC/LA is a great safety blanket, but you can often outperform it on these cars if you know what you’re doing. The RS5 launch control seems a bit more interesting. Launches from much higher RPM right?

Can’t wait to see a few hit the strip.

#14

You bet it’s moar interesting!!! This launch is above 5k:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlOjsico2ZE&feature=related

I may just wind up with this car - I absolutely love it!!

#15

they’re really really amazing looking

Needs the 20" wheels though…which sounds really douchey lol…but they look fantastic. I have seen two on the roads locally, both on the 19s and they’re just not suited to the car

the 20" rotors and an interesting colour with that MEAN AS HELL face…just awesome.

p.s. that tinS5 guy’s reference to me in the other thread is funny. The thread was ‘B8 S4 or B7 RS4…which to buy?’

I would be dead honest and say both cars are amazing and you can’t go wrong. TinS5, like many of the underinformed think I have some beef with teh B8. Absolutely not…I praise the fuck out of it constantly aand as I’ve said, a few of my friends/colleagues drive it because I recommended it to them. I take exception to misinformation about the RS4 or all around ignorance/deception etc. But I would never criticize or fault someone for buying a B8. It’s a brilliant car and a brillinat decision.

#16

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#17

Sak - I think that, unfortunately, you were given a bad rap because you “dared” to throw out some facts and were realistic about the B8’s potential. No one was having any of it (especially when the B8 was relatively new) - to their detriment…

I’ve been an Audi guy for a while now, and I was shocked to discover the amount of vitriol by some against the RS4 and, for that matter, the 4.2 V8 in general. I was new to the forums a few years ago, so I had no idea that this was even a debate.

In any event, I remain an Audi enthusiast, and I think almost everything they produce is amazing. Go ahead, call me biased… ::slight_smile:

#18

If in fact APR has updated the software with what they think is a fix, I will happily show the data when I get it on the car. Just waiting on arin to give the “get the update” over on 'zine.