APR Presents the World Premiere of the Eaton TVS1740 Supercharger

[Arin]

S-Tronic DL501 Clutches. (A, B, C, D, E & F)

0B5 141 030 A - RS5  - 2010>>     - Audi RS5 Coupe quattro

0B5 141 030 B - A4   - 2008>>2012 - Audi A4/Avant
0B5 141 030 B - A4AR - 2010>>     - Audi A4 allroad quattro
0B5 141 030 B - A4Q  - 2008>>2012 - Audi A4/S4/Avant/quattro
0B5 141 030 B - A4CA - 2010>>2011 - Audi A5/S5 Cabriolet
0B5 141 030 B - A5C0 - 2008>>2011 - Audi A4/S5 Coupe/Sportback

0B5 141 030 C - A4   - 2008>>2012 - Audi A4/Avant
0B5 141 030 C - A4AR - 2010>>     - Audi A4 allroad quattro
0B5 141 030 C - A4Q  - 2008>>2012 - Audi A4/S4/Avant/quattro
0B5 141 030 C - A4CA - 2010>>2011 - Audi A5/S5 Cabriolet
0B5 141 030 C - A5C0 - 2008>>2011 - Audi A4/S5 Coupe/Sportback
0B5 141 030 C - A7   - 2011>>     - Audi A7 Sportback
0B5 141 030 C - AQ5  - 2009>>2012 - Audi Q5

0B5 141 030 D - A4   - 2008>>2012 - Audi A4/Avant
0B5 141 030 D - A4   - 2013>>     - Audi A4/Avant
0B5 141 030 D - A4AR - 2010>>     - Audi A4 allroad quattro
0B5 141 030 D - A4Q  - 2008>>2012 - Audi A4/S4/Avant/quattro
0B5 141 030 D - A4Q  - 2013>>     - Audi A4/S4/Avant/quattro
0B5 141 030 D - A5CA - 2008>>2011 - Audi A4/S5 Cabriolet
0B5 141 030 D - A5CA - 2013>>     - Audi A4/S5 Cabriolet
0B5 141 030 D - A5C0 - 2008>>2011 - Audi A4/S5 Coupe/Sportback
0B5 141 030 D - A5C0 - 2012>>     - Audi A4/S5 Coupe/Sportback
0B5 141 030 D - A7   - 2011>>     - Audi A7 Sportback
0B5 141 030 D - AQ5  - 2009>>2012 - Audi Q5

0B5 141 030 E - A4   - 2008>>2012 - Audi A4/Avant
0B5 141 030 E - A4   - 2013>>     - Audi A4/Avant
0B5 141 030 E - A4AR - 2010>>     - Audi A4 allroad quattro
0B5 141 030 E - A4Q  - 2008>>2012 - Audi A4/S4/Avant/quattro
0B5 141 030 E - A4Q  - 2013>>     - Audi A4/S4/Avant/quattro
0B5 141 030 E - A5CA - 2008>>2011 - Audi A4/S5 Cabriolet
0B5 141 030 E - A5CA - 2013>>     - Audi A4/S5 Cabriolet
0B5 141 030 E - A5C0 - 2008>>2011 - Audi A4/S5 Coupe/Sportback
0B5 141 030 E - A5C0 - 2012>>     - Audi A4/S5 Coupe/Sportback
0B5 141 030 E - A6   - 2011>>     - Audi A6/Avant
0B5 141 030 E - A6AR - 2013>>     - Audi A6 allroad quattro

0B5 141 030 F - A4   - 2013>>     - Audi A4/Avant
0B5 141 030 F - A4AR - 2010>>     - Audi A4 allroad quattro
0B5 141 030 F - A4Q  - 2013>>     - Audi A4/S4/Avant/quattro
0B5 141 030 F - A5CA - 2012>>     - Audi A4/S5 Cabriolet
0B5 141 030 F - A5CA - 2012>>     - Audi A4/S5 Cabriolet
0B5 141 030 F - A6AR - 2013>>     - Audi A6 allroad quattro
0B5 141 030 F - A7   - 2011>>     - Audi A7 Sportback
0B5 141 030 F - AQ5  - 2013>>     - Audi Q5

0B5 141 030 G - RS4  - 2013>>     - Audi RS4/Avant quattro
0B5 141 030 G - RS5  - 2010>>     - Audi RS5 Coupe quattro
0B5 141 030 G - RS5C - 2013>>     - Audi RS5 Cabrioet qu.

[primetime]

Just looked… I have “E” clutches… Other dsg owners should post…

[notarmed]

Arin - what kind of testing are you guys doing on the DSG Stage 3?

To clarify, the B8 S4 DSG. Not sure if there’s any difference between that and the RS5 DSG.

There are a couple variations of the DL501 transmission. I’d have to work with engineering to find the exact specifics, be it simply software or other changes. The 4.0T S7 also has a DL501 and we’ve really punished that transmission on race gas. It’s producing over 550 FT-LBS to all four on our dyno and has seen many redline launch control uses with no TCU adjustments. We’re able to do that with ECU changes only, it just takes a bunch of work. Ultimately, for safety reasons (It’s a stage 1 chip), we chose to limit torque on the launch. The ECU will limit the amount given until the clutches are fully engaged.

Arin, do you know the differences between the S6 and S4 DL501 transmissions?

[My_S5_afe_Hyden]

Arin - what kind of testing are you guys doing on the DSG Stage 3?

To clarify, the B8 S4 DSG. Not sure if there’s any difference between that and the RS5 DSG.

There are a couple variations of the DL501 transmission. I’d have to work with engineering to find the exact specifics, be it simply software or other changes. The 4.0T S7 also has a DL501 and we’ve really punished that transmission on race gas. It’s producing over 550 FT-LBS to all four on our dyno and has seen many redline launch control uses with no TCU adjustments. We’re able to do that with ECU changes only, it just takes a bunch of work. Ultimately, for safety reasons (It’s a stage 1 chip), we chose to limit torque on the launch. The ECU will limit the amount given until the clutches are fully engaged.

For the 3.0T S4/S5 and 4.2L RS4/RS5 once we’re near our final output, we’ll undergo testing at either Barber or Atlanta. We’ll likely run 100 to stress it the most to see how it holds up under repeated abuse around the track as once components begin heating up under these environments, they begin showing their weak points. I expected to already have a bunch of data from the RS5 in Australia during the Motor Magazine Hot Tuner Challenge, but this years event was canceled or delayed due to apparent magazine political reasons or something.

Interested. Please keep the information flowing

[theKB]

Arin, do you know the differences between the S6 and S4 DL501 transmissions?

I would love to know the same considering audi blames the tune for failure when they just issued a tsb blaming the additives in the ATF for damaging the mechatronics.

That video is bonkers! Keep up the great work on the development front! I would be early in line for this if I didn’t fall in love with a car that has no transmission yesterday after a test drive. ;D

Will definitely grab the clutchpack version the next time i’m in the car for help with data!

[Arin]

Arin - what kind of testing are you guys doing on the DSG Stage 3?

To clarify, the B8 S4 DSG. Not sure if there’s any difference between that and the RS5 DSG.

There are a couple variations of the DL501 transmission. I’d have to work with engineering to find the exact specifics, be it simply software or other changes. The 4.0T S7 also has a DL501 and we’ve really punished that transmission on race gas. It’s producing over 550 FT-LBS to all four on our dyno and has seen many redline launch control uses with no TCU adjustments. We’re able to do that with ECU changes only, it just takes a bunch of work. Ultimately, for safety reasons (It’s a stage 1 chip), we chose to limit torque on the launch. The ECU will limit the amount given until the clutches are fully engaged.

Arin, do you know the differences between the S6 and S4 DL501 transmissions?

They appear to have the same clutches as the S4. The only transmission with different clutches is the RS5, and it’s only a revision number different.

[notarmed]

Arin - what kind of testing are you guys doing on the DSG Stage 3?

To clarify, the B8 S4 DSG. Not sure if there’s any difference between that and the RS5 DSG.

There are a couple variations of the DL501 transmission. I’d have to work with engineering to find the exact specifics, be it simply software or other changes. The 4.0T S7 also has a DL501 and we’ve really punished that transmission on race gas. It’s producing over 550 FT-LBS to all four on our dyno and has seen many redline launch control uses with no TCU adjustments. We’re able to do that with ECU changes only, it just takes a bunch of work. Ultimately, for safety reasons (It’s a stage 1 chip), we chose to limit torque on the launch. The ECU will limit the amount given until the clutches are fully engaged.

Arin, do you know the differences between the S6 and S4 DL501 transmissions?

They appear to have the same clutches as the S4. The only transmission with different clutches is the RS5, and it’s only a revision number different.

Same casing and internals? In other words the only thing that differentiates the two is gearing.

[bangoman]

Interesting stuff about the various DSG boxes…

In other news the equivalent thread on AZ degenerated into a “why isn’t it here yet?”-fest

[clochner]

In other news the equivalent thread on AZ degenerated into a “why isn’t it here yet?”-fest

Excellent point!! Another reason why AR is superior. The list goes on and on.

[PsYkHoTiK]

They appear to have the same clutches as the S4. The only transmission with different clutches is the RS5, and it’s only a revision number different.

Interesting… Is the RS5 DSG fairing better to the supercharger vs the 3.0 V6T S4/S5?

For some reason, a stage III RS5 using a 5.5k launch control makes me want to bite my nails (afraid it’ll spit out bits of the transmission after a few).

[sakimano]

The RS5 would not have the throttle body choke issue the S4 had, so probably fairing better, especially with the R8 taking a similar 2 intake setup.

The B8 S4 is it’s own animal, thus I imagine that’s causing the delay. Not a lot of crossover with the 2 NA cars.

Talking supercharger, not the clutches.

Do we have the R8 V10 Plus DSG clutch info in that list somewhere? Or the 4.0T applications in the S6/7? That would be interesting. Those will be the biggest OEM torque level applications. Around 400 (listed) for both, right?

[helix139]

It’s interesting that they don’t put the DSG on the S8 or RS7 and instead pair both up with a conventional slushbox

[sakimano]

Interesting…or telling?

I think that’s a clear as hell signal - don’t be putting the DSG through 600 tq at the crank.

[PsYkHoTiK]

I think that’s a clear as hell signal - don’t be putting the DSG through 600 tq at the crank.

Yeah, I’m guessing this too (which is why the idea of a Stage III RS5 launching is a little scary to me). I’m not sure about VW/Audi dual clutch transmissions, but I’m wondering if there will be aftermarket clutch pack upgrades (kinda like what the Evo X and GTR guys have).

[Meistah]

http://www.sspperformance.com/product/new-ssp-600hp-cluth-pack-for-the-dsg-o2e-transmission-/

[sakimano]

I think that’s a clear as hell signal - don’t be putting the DSG through 600 tq at the crank.

Yeah, I’m guessing this too (which is why the idea of a Stage III RS5 launching is a little scary to me). I’m not sure about VW/Audi dual clutch transmissions, but I’m wondering if there will be aftermarket clutch pack upgrades (kinda like what the Evo X and GTR guys have).

yeah, I wouldn’t worry too much.

That is what Audi is saying about the DSG however we can’t forget that they are saying ‘can’t use DSG on the RS6/7 cars because we have to warranty these things for 4 years’. Good rule of thumb is they’re going to have 50% of a buffer. If they put DSG on a ca that makes 400 tq, they’re likely good to 600 tq. Who knows really but it’s a rule of thumb.

You don’t see people modding cars to 200% or more without having loads of problems. i.e. the entire B5 S4 market. Once you take those things beyond 500 hp (250 hp stock) they start becoming dyno queens because guys are scared to drive them for fear of parts flying off lol.

The B8 came with about 360 tq. The RS4 about 325. The R8 V10 Plus around 380. That would spell 550-600 crank torque that should be pretty easy. 500 wtq or so. I don’t think any of these cars are going to hit that.

The S8 and Rs6? that’s another story. It won’t be a big deal to see 750-800 hp (crank) S8/RS6/RS7 once the Russians get their hands on them lol.

[Auditude3.0T]

I’m honestly most excited to see the RS5 with the APR blower, that thing is gonna be disgusting with DSG and that V8… I’m sure if APR releases that and thinks it’s safe the S4 with DSG will be fine. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the RS5 hit 10’s in the 1/4 on pump.

[clochner]

I’m honestly most excited to see the RS5 with the APR blower, that thing is gonna be disgusting with DSG and that V8… I’m sure if APR releases that and thinks it’s safe the S4 with DSG will be fine. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the RS5 hit 10’s in the 1/4 on pump.

I’ve said it from the beginning: 1740 RS4 v 1740 RS5 will be the most exciting passes at the track. It’s basically manual v DSG at that point (though I understand the 4.2 in the RS5 underwent some upgrades that are not in the RS4).

I agree that DSG will be fine for the B8 S4, but note Arin’s comments above about the different clutches between the S4 and RS5.

[Auditude3.0T]

I’m honestly most excited to see the RS5 with the APR blower, that thing is gonna be disgusting with DSG and that V8… I’m sure if APR releases that and thinks it’s safe the S4 with DSG will be fine. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the RS5 hit 10’s in the 1/4 on pump.

I’ve said it from the beginning: 1740 RS4 v 1740 RS5 will be the most exciting passes at the track. It’s basically manual v DSG at that point (though I understand the 4.2 in the RS5 underwent some upgrades that are not in the RS4).

I agree that DSG will be fine for the B8 S4, but note Arin’s comments above about the different clutch packs between the S4 and RS5.

I actually just saw that… Hmm, wonder if that’ll be a difference we see in the Stage 3 development for the S4…

I personally think the RS4 has more in it also, I think the APR 1740 on the RS4 should perform similar to the JHM kit, factor in 93 octane and even better driving I think we might see a 10.9 out of the RS4 too… That RS5 with LC and an 8500RPM redline with the DSG is gonna be mental…

My honest opinion is that the RS4/RS5 will break the 130 mark and the S4 will be mid 120’s on pump high 120’s on race.

[clochner]

^^ Bottom line, Pete. The RS5 will be the champ of the 1740 group when all is said and done (R8 excluded lol).