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Nor does he launch as well as me even with +76hp and +95tq ;D
If you have time on Wed. you should go to the track and video this for us… I would hate it if these runs didn’t make it to the forums for some reason… Please ;D
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Haha true that 
I was there during their last outing on the track- it was the day I ran the 11.8 in my B8. They told everyone the car was 100% stock, even on instagram and then all of a sudden it arose the car was Stage 1.
Sketchy stuff…
I’ll try and switch up my work schedule and go in early and try to make it out there by 6PM. If that’s the case ill try and get some runs in with my dads DSG…
APR Stage III - Continued testing, Acceleration Data, Dynos and Videos!
Last week APR’s Calibration Engineers Visited the UK for final verification of our production Stage III Turbocharger System on standard European fuel grades, S-Tronic compatibility testing as well as further testing on modified engines. The results proved successful and we ended the weekend on a high note with acceleration testing and races at the famous Bruntingthorpe Airfield.
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Several magazines were present during the event and covered 4 of our customer’s vehicles. 3 of the vehicles are 6MTs running various clutch setups, including the Sachs clutch solution we offer on our site in Wolf Power’s vehicle (our Swiss importer). The final vehicle was an S-Tronic from Germany with an unmodified gear box. All vehicles were on pump fuel.
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Each vehicle was at various levels of modification. Wolf Power’s vehicle is very similar to own as far as engine components are concerned. The engine is unmodified other than our recommended and required hardware and is running on the stock bottom end and stock head. Our intercooler was not available when the vehicle was built so they are running an alternative setup. This is the same full interior “street class” vehicle that competed and won at the Tuner GP at Hockenheim this past summer.
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Jonny Cocker’s TT RS is fully built from top to bottom with many custom components. He has many build threads throughout the internet detailing many of the modifications he’s made, some of which are still on the car today, while others were removed. The engine’s internals are strengthened and the head was built to Race Developments UK’s specifications. All major components required or recommended by APR are utilized on his vehicle, with the exception of the clutch, a Modified APR exhaust, and different intercooler as our unit was not available when the vehicle was built.
Initially Jonny’s engine modifications did not show a positive improvement running our standard APR Stage III Turbocharger System software. As we’ve seen with other vehicles and platforms, head porting typically does not show an improvement, and may even show a loss without specific tuning, even after which it may still result in a loss over stock. APR’s calibration engineers spent time on his vehicle and were able to increase ignition advance enough so to create a very positive increase in power, later dyno confirmed after the acceleration tests.
Jonny’s positive results have further advanced our own APR TT RS in house cylinder head porting program. With the proof of concept successful, we’ve begun the initial stages of developing a setup similar to what we offer on other platforms. For those unfamiliar, please visit our Cylinder Head Porting Product Page.
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Installing an APR badge is serious stuff!
On the S-Tronic front we’re still deep into development. The car’s very fast on the street, makes excellent peak power, but is currently neutered in the low to midrange with torque clipped. Development will continue on this platform and when complete, we’ll have support for the S-Tronic models at full power output.
The final vehicle at the event was running a preproduction APR Stage III Turbocharger system running our development internally gated T3, GTX3071R turbo.
Now for the fun stuff!
The vehicles preformed great and both Jonny’s and Wolf Power’s cars were able to beat our own 30-130 and other acceleration testing. Using our newly developed Launch Control, Jonny was able to shift his way into some serious performance figures. Here’s a run down how his car preformed:
0-30 MPH: 1.1 sec
0-60 MPH: 2.8 sec
0-100 MPH: 6.1 sec
60-120 MPH: 5.2 sec
62-124 MPH: 5.7 sec
100-200 KPH: 5.8 sec
60-130 MPH: 6.82 sec
30-130 MPH: 8.75 sec
10.7 @ 136 MPH ¼ mile (p-box only, not a certified track).
For those unfamiliar with Jonny Cocker, he’s a professional driver for Drayson Racing. You can read more about him on his Wiki Page. Jonny’s capable of shifting faster than anyone I’ve seen before and you can clearly see this in the chart below given the lack of any real step between shift (which appears on all other test vehicles). To get a better idea of what “Fast” is, take a look at his youtube videos:
The first video is a poorly filmed race between his own Nissan GTR with ECU Remap and exhaust modifications.
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Both vehicles were on straight pump fuel and no other fuel helpers. Jonny runs 245 Michelin PSS’s on his TT RS. He estimates weight savings at 88 KG (Just shy of 200 lbs), through exhaust, intake, wheels, brakes, suspension and seat modifications, but he’s never officially weighed the car to find the differences with the APR kit, intercooler, and other changes in place. The estimated vehicle “diet” was negated by carrying a passenger in the car for all video and acceleration tests based on everyone’s best estimates.
For your further viewing pleasure, here are three more videos:
Jonny Cocker’s TT RS - Launch Control - 0-155 MPH.
Jonny Cocker’s TT RS - PVW Teaser Video
Jonny Cocker’s TT RS - 60-170 MPH
Jonny drove Wolf Power’s TT RS collecting acceleration data. However, for this vehicle Jonny did not flat shift, as it was not his own vehicle. As you can see in the data below, the shift times suffered greatly, but were still better than our own results produced in the Hot and Humid Alabama Summery south!
60-120 MPH: 6.7 sec
62-124 MPH: 7.2 sec
100-200 KPH: 7.2 sec
60-130 MPH: 8.70 sec
30-130 MPH: 10.6 sec
This graph displays 30-130 Acceleration times from Jonny’s car, Wolf Power’s car, and our own published advertising data for both 93 and 100 octane. Notice, Jonny’s time dips at the beginning, which was because this run was generated during a lunch, but still proved to be his fastest result of the day.
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Jonny’s vehicle’s power was later confirmed on a dynapack dyno, with SAE correction, to be producing ~580 WHP (front wheel only) and ~560 AWHP with the front and rear wheels both connected.
Here are the raw dyno graphs with all runs.
Front Wheel Drive Mode
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All Wheel Drive Mode
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Jonny is scheduled to hit Santa Pod Raceway this weekend to collect more personal data on his vehicle. If the event goes well, we’ll update everyone with the results!
Thank you everyone. If you have any questions, please ask and I’ll do my best to answer or source more data should I not have an answer.
Thank you and Enjoy!
Great update, Arin, that’s some serious business right there. I see a VW racing sticker on one TTRS - who are Volkswagen Racing and what’s your relationship with them? I only ask out of curiosity, VWR seems like a serious outfit (and I’ve got my eye on some VWR wheels for our GTI lol).
Damn. Pretty impressive numbers. Look forward to seeing some more updates and actual 1/4 times. Congrats.
APR UK and Volkswagen Racing UK operate out of the same building Milton Keynes. We are the sole distributor of their products world wide, sponsor the VW racing cup and provide race support and custom team calibrations for the series. The relationship was formed over the past couple years.
Wow. Fantastic results and info!
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The reference was to the guy in England. Not big hoss.
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My comment was toward Pete and his shifting abilities comment…
Arin, thanks for the information… Looking forward to the results…
Yes someone was referring to that johnny cocker video and joked about him shifting faster than auditude who has announced himself the fastest shifter in the world (or at least the fastest shifter between him and tsivas).
The you mentioned that you launch better than him but how are you a better launcher than johnny cocker when you just saw him cut what is likely a 1.5 second 60 foot? Sounds like you are referencing big hoss in error. The original string is in reference to cocker, who makes about 300 hp more than you not 95 or whatever big hoss makes, and who shifts so fast I thought he was a Dsg.
That’s because he’s got launch control and no lift shift. When I drive my friends Golf R with those features my shifts are quicker than that…
His vbox graph the shifts are all visible, mine are never at all visible.
And prime was able to cut a 1.6 in a stock TTRS doubt anyone else will do that, even DSG.
Saki, Maybe I am just not keeping up but I was in no way inferring that I can drive better than a pro driver esepcially with only 1K miles on the car… Once I have a 100+ passes under my belt on the car I would be willing to bet I could be pretty comparable at the strip/straight line pull… Also, as Pete mentioned the tune he is running has some built in help… Again, the dude is good no doubt about that and major props to his car and his driving love that he didn’t go DSG…
He doesn’t have No Lift Shift. He’s just the man, and didn’t lift anyways.
Well I meant he isn’t lifting…
Regardless his shifts are awesome and the car is fucking insanity… It’s literally accelerating like a Stage 1 UGR Gallardo… I’ve never seen an Audi that moved like that…
Props to you guys on the kit…
Can’t wait to get a TTRS and go stage 3 in the future… 6.8 60-130 on pump is disgusting
I’m not questioning you primetime. I was just clarifying that you were referring to Big Hoss while the other string was referring to Johnny Cocker
I’m shocked that it was on pump gas. That’s stunning MPH from a little engine on pump gas.
The P-box is usually pretty accurate as well, someone’s up or down at a max of 1-2 MPH. Wonder what it’ll do at the track…
If its pulling a 2.8 to 60 and a 6.8 60-130 on pump I’m going to say it’ll go 10.5@135+ on a certified track.
Actually you meant he has no lift shift. You said it, and you said it is a ‘feature’.
He is just powershifting, which is what you would have said if you meant he was powershifting.
If you’ve never seen an Audi move out like that, you need to get out more. Or just search youtube.
Saki, Understood… Yeah. no doubt the 2.5L motor is a nice powerplant putting out some huge numbers with such small displacement… Helps that the car is somewhat light given most of the Audi lineup… Can’t wait to see some real strip times from him and the redline guys…
Pete, Yeah, I could see it(Jonny’s car) run anywhere from 10.4 to 10.8 depending on conditions… Will be interested to see how the US cars do with non-pro drivers and some of the other mods that Jonnny has… Good stuff either way… Gives me some things to look forward to this winter… Although at this point I am begining to think we won’t see stage III for the S4 this year…
The PBOX is reasonably accurate for ET, but not for MPH. It takes a final MPH rather than a trap speed (average) of the last 66 feet. It’s generally off by 1.5 MPH on cars like ours. On cars like that one, it could be even more. 2MPH.
We also haven’t seen the altitude data from the pbox run. Some of the footage I’ve seen from that place it doesn’t really look flat. Hard to tell where he ran though. Is there a video from outside?
If that runway was helping him, I reckon he will struggle to go 10.6 @ 136 at Santa Pod. Probably more like 10.9 @ 131 or something. If it was indeed flat, and the pbox was accurate, he will likely go around 10.7 @ 134 at Santa Pod. All depends on traction. I find the strip to be slippery vs. an asphalt runway with some roughness to it. I can spin the tires and go nowhere at the strip whereas on the road, I can just put down a 5-10 foot patch. I have a 4000 lb car with quattro and only make 320 whp. HE has a 3000 lb car with haldex and makes an extra 200+ whp. He will spin them I reckon using that launch program that was developed for the rough runway. Then he’ll have to manually launch and who knows what will happen.
Well being able to no lift shift is indeed a feature, because on the B8’s it’ll cut timing as well as lot of other new cars including 335’s and M3’s as well. So he being able to “power shift” or no lift shift or whatever you want to call it is an advantage and a feature built into the tune.
You yourself have said that the JHM RS4 will never be surpassed on pump gas but now that it is all of a sudden it’s not a big deal and I have to get out more??
Jeez man you don’t have to be so up tight.
Go ahead and find me a new school Audi with an actually interior and basically full weight on pump gas running 10’s.