B8 S4 headers bank or bust?

Jspazz · December 8, 2019, 2:29pm

I think this is the agreement so far, and the chapter is far from closed. As a business, though, they are not the evil empire some make them out to be, they have some results, nothing to show they are faster than an HFC yet, and it would be better for them to get some track results, at least encourage some customers to go with a track day outing to sac or something.

Lol on your last sentence, god forbid you ever get Sak-attacked. His car is still interesting, tailwind gusts and un-certified track and all…his later runs were faster than mine but with shitty shitty launches.

Also people neglect the weight gains on a fully-optioned car like mine. We should start a weight thread at some point, down to the pound. Did Imola actually weight the parts coming out?

Unfortunately not, bango, which is why this thread won’t be the last…I’d like to see more myself before I decide.

Heck, if I had to decide, Id have to say the gains at this point are pretty much done with on HFCs, and maybe headers might show their strength when stage III comes out…hmmmm.

sakimano · December 8, 2019, 2:29pm

Jspazz:

sakimano:

Jspazz:

sakimano:

Jspazz:

Saki I understand what you are saying, but when the end trap is the same or higher, you can’t really argue what you are saying. His car is a monster on the top end, for whatever reason, and it may as well be his headers. I’d love to see more 6MTs give it a go with or without headers, I think there’s a lot more to show from Rich, Pete, Salmon, Tsivas, Arin, and Paper.

I don’t know that you do understand.

His car is not a monster at the top end and his pbox plots bear that out. A monster would be a monster among normal beings. His car is behaving slightly better then other similarly modded cars, and his result was amplified by a weak trap in he eighth. That’s something you are completely ignoring. Not very scientific. You are ignoring data and fitting what you can into your thesis.

Here’s a thesis… Headers killed Richie on the first half of the track. Your data proves it.

Your data also proves that in worse da with STOCK CATS the stasis v2 tune renders Richi’s headers, pulley and cps obsolete. Note the tins5 car… Barely modded and quicker than Richie with similar trap speed.

Bottom line is your analysis is swiss cheese because you are igniring the fact that Richi’s 1/8 traps are quite low.

Honestly I’m done arguing with you Sak, when he ends up at the SAME TRAP or higher from 3 or more mph less at the 1/8th, and you still argue, then I give up.

You were also one of the people who said the Strat causes to lose power, probably the HFCs too. Maybe you’ll have to eat your words on this too, but hey, I don’t see you admitting you’re wrong on those, either. Plus you said that winter tires will give Richi better traction, now you’re saying he was complaining of bad traction. You’ll just argue it now to suit yourself. So yes, i give up on you.

You’re outing words un my mouth and looking desperate.

I never said ‘any idiot’.
I never said ‘don’t bother to out 1/8 mile traps’ in the database
I never said the 034 parts rob power

Primetime and bear will be the first to tell you that when I looked at the data I would always correct their lfc comments… The fastest cars had the 034 parts.

You’re acting like a desperate man. In the pursuit of winning argument about a fucking car part you are resorting to lying, libel and all around looking ridiculous.

What’s worse your puppet has gone off the deep end and is polluting other threads because he doesn’t know which way is up.

As I suggested to him, if this site is so bad, why don’t you fuck off back to Audizine? Why don’t you start telling lies about primetimes quotes because he and I are saying and seeing the same things.

I am looking desparate? lol. read your post here.

I could care less, except that you infect lots of people with what you consider “facts” (I’m always weary of anyone who says “facts” when considering random data), and yes, everything I wrote about what you flip flop about, like the Strat and the tires, to suit your argument, is true.

Anyway, it’s not my forum to get out of, I have a 2010 S4. Stop pretending you do or actually care.

Prime and me are always fine. Ask him. Heck ANYONE and me are always fine. Ask anyone - it’s only you who have a problem, and refuse to talk about it with me.

I thought you were done?

You are avoiding the facts. You are clinging to anything you can to say I don’t stay true or know what I’m talking about.

The Strat intake was never tested by anyone…and when primetime got it he dynod it. And lost power. Strat ckaimed it made power on. Dyno. I don’t care about the dyno but I thought that was pretty funny to see dyno results blow up like that. Once we saw cars do a before and after acceleration test, the cars seemed to benefit so that’s good to see. I don’t remember making it my life goal to tell everyone not to buy Strat? I think you have that mixed up. The Strat guy got owned by me for his shady claims regarding jhm a while ago. Is that why you’re so mad?

The winter tires thing is something I’ve heard loads of people mention. Poor man’s drag radials is the saying. The softer compound and softer sidewalls help, don’t hinder. You get wheel hop when you have great traction, then lose it suddenly. Sticky grabs instead of spins. You need to be a little more finesse on the launch in that situation, rather than blasting it and hoping for spin. Is he lowered? Aftermarket suspension can change the setup and result in toe causing wheel hop.

Jspazz · December 8, 2019, 2:29pm

sakimano:

I thought you were done?

You are avoiding the facts. You are clinging to anything you can to say I don’t stay true or know what I’m talking about.

The Strat intake was never tested by anyone…and when primetime got it he dynod it. And lost power. Strat ckaimed it made power on. Dyno. I don’t care about the dyno but I thought that was pretty funny to see dyno results blow up like that. Once we saw cars do a before and after acceleration test, the cars seemed to beinefficientit so that’s good to see. I don’t remember making it my life goal to tell everyone not to buy Strat? I think you have that mixed up. The Strat guy got owned by me for his shady claims regarding jhm a while ago. Is that why you’re so mad?

The winter tires thing is something I’ve heard loads of people mention. Poor man’s drag radials is the saying. The softer compound and softer sidewalls help, don’t hinder. You get wheel hop when you have great traction, then lose it suddenly. Sticky grabs instead of spins. You need to be a little more finesse on the launch in that situation, rather than blasting it and hoping for spin. Is he lowered? Aftermarket suspension can change the setup and result in toe causing wheel hop.

Yeah Sak, I’m done, until you let us talk privately, as I said. It will save everyone the hassle you see here.

sakimano · December 8, 2019, 2:29pm

Someone else is getting desperate. Sounds well coached.

Paper posting in the jhm exhaust thread.

Paperybutnotplasticy · December 8, 2019, 2:29pm

I really dont understand you Saki, you hate on these headers which have proven gains, you deny any dyno claims saying dynos are bullshit and dont prove anything, but you start touting JHM’s fake skewed dyno numbers in a Eurocode header thread out of nowhere, Bipolar much? Do you take meds for your bipolar condition? Why dont you get the fuck off of these forums and go back to Audizine and leave the big boys to their discussions?

Paperybutnotplasticy · December 8, 2019, 2:29pm

I dont get coached or desperate, its just criminal how your trying to sell 2 pipes for $1000 to people with $30k cars and a bullshit catback for almost 2 grand on a car where you actually have to drop the engine to install, unlike the lies you spread about the price and installation process of the Eurocode headers. Again Bipolar much?

sakimano · December 8, 2019, 2:29pm

umm… I never mentioned jhms dyno numbers here? Also jhm doesn’t post dyno numbers so howd you come up with that one lol. You’re beyond desperate.

I don’t quite get the bipolar references. Is that all you two have left? Get your own spine make paper. Stop using jspazz material. He called me bipolar a month ago because I made fun of him for having his brother fight his battles. Now that’s your go to? lol

clochner · December 8, 2019, 2:29pm

Paper - you need to check your emotions at the door and review what’s actually being discussed. Saki summed it up pretty well:

1. Headers vs stock = nice gain at big cost
2. 034 hfc vs stock = nice gain at medium to low cost
3. 034 test vs stock = nice gain at low cost
4. Headers vs 034 = nominal to no gains at big cost

Where are you getting this “hating on the headers” discussion? The question is whether the far pricier headers make any gains over 034 hfc or test pipes. THAT’S the issue. Everything else you’ve been discussing is off mark. Sheesh . . .

sakimano · December 8, 2019, 2:29pm

I was beginning to think I was in the twilight zine. That’s not a typo.

Paperybutnotplasticy · December 8, 2019, 2:29pm

sakimano:

Paperybutnotplasticy:

I really dont understand you Saki, you hate on these headers which have proven gains, you deny any dyno claims saying dynos are bullshit and dont prove anything, but you start touting JHM’s fake skewed dyno numbers in a Eurocode header thread out of nowhere, Bipolar much? Do you take meds for your bipolar condition? Why dont you get the fuck off of these forums and go back to Audizine and leave the big boys to their discussions?

umm… I never mentioned jhms dyno numbers here? Also jhm doesn’t post dyno numbers so howd you come up with that one lol. You’re beyond desperate.

I don’t quite get the bipolar references. Is that all you two have left? Get your own spine make paper. Stop using jspazz material. He called me bipolar a month ago because I made fun of him for having his brother fight his battles. Now that’s your go to? lol

I dont know what you are talking about, I dont know Jspazz and me and him dont communicate off the forums, so unless you can find somewhere where he told me what to do and pulled my strings this is just another one of your lies. You posted about JHM’s fake bullshit dyno numbers in the other thread before you deleted it so dont act like you dont know what the fuck Im talking about. I like how you seem to edit your posts and modify shit to hide the bipolar shit you post. you were comparing numbers between Eurocodes advertised header gains and JHM’s header gains, that makes you bipolar since you have been telling me for months dynos dont mean shit.

I’ve exposed your lies in previous threads months ago and those threads just died down once the truth came out. Now I’m going to expose the bullshit JHM is trying to pull with their exhaust and their tunes on here and Audizine, how about that? I’ll act like Saki for a while and stick my nose where it doesnt belong when I obviously dont own one of those Archaic Audi’s.

91gl · December 8, 2019, 2:29pm

Big boy? I think thats your cue to leave. Saki is the heart and soul of this forum. You post no knowledge and your credit card and stupid color car are the only reasons your car has any relevance to the forum. You think because of your supposed pulls with phantom cars and a pull with another b8 that there is enough data to proclaim these headers as a proven mod? Go to the track or do some pulls with other members cars and post them up, then we can make a judgement from that.

All you know how to do is regurgitate info ec tells you, other than that you have no experience with modifying cars. Only your credit card does. Go run and tell on us to your ec boys. Hoping to gain some kind of ammo against the real big boys. Only thing big is your jerry curl hair and bushy eyebrows

sakimano · December 8, 2019, 2:29pm

Paperybutnotplasticy:

You posted about JHM’s fake bullshit dyno numbers in the other thread before you deleted it so dont act like you dont know what the fuck Im talking about. I like how you seem to edit your posts and modify shit to hide the bipolar shit you post. you were comparing numbers between Eurocodes advertised header gains and JHM’s header gains, that makes you bipolar since you have been telling me for months dynos dont mean shit.

I’ve exposed your lies in previous threads months ago and those threads just died down once the truth came out. Now I’m going to expose the bullshit JHM is trying to pull with their exhaust and their tunes on here and Audizine, how about that? I’ll act like Saki for a while and stick my nose where it doesnt belong when I obviously dont own one of those Archaic Audi’s.

Sorry, where did I delete anything??? I made that comparison here you moron

http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=1569.msg38962#msg38962

Where have I ever lied?

Go gather some proof and make a call out thread in the war room. This should be interesting.

Paperybutnotplasticy · December 8, 2019, 2:29pm

sakimano:

Paperybutnotplasticy:

You posted about JHM’s fake bullshit dyno numbers in the other thread before you deleted it so dont act like you dont know what the fuck Im talking about. I like how you seem to edit your posts and modify shit to hide the bipolar shit you post. you were comparing numbers between Eurocodes advertised header gains and JHM’s header gains, that makes you bipolar since you have been telling me for months dynos dont mean shit.

I’ve exposed your lies in previous threads months ago and those threads just died down once the truth came out. Now I’m going to expose the bullshit JHM is trying to pull with their exhaust and their tunes on here and Audizine, how about that? I’ll act like Saki for a while and stick my nose where it doesnt belong when I obviously dont own one of those Archaic Audi’s.

Sorry, where did I delete anything??? I made that comparison here you moron

http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=1569.msg38962#msg38962

Where have I ever lied?

Go gather some proof and make a call out thread in the war room. This should be interesting.

Ok so if you mentioned it in this thread why do you say you havnt mentioned JHM dyno numbers a few posts up? Again flip flopping. Also I dont want to start a call out thread, I’m not you I dont start vendetta’s with people and call them out and stick my nose where it doesnt belong. You fuck with all the B5 guys, you fuck with the B8 guys, both cars you don’t own.

clochner · December 8, 2019, 2:29pm

Paperybutnotplasticy:

sakimano:

Paperybutnotplasticy:

You posted about JHM’s fake bullshit dyno numbers in the other thread before you deleted it so dont act like you dont know what the fuck Im talking about. I like how you seem to edit your posts and modify shit to hide the bipolar shit you post. you were comparing numbers between Eurocodes advertised header gains and JHM’s header gains, that makes you bipolar since you have been telling me for months dynos dont mean shit.

I’ve exposed your lies in previous threads months ago and those threads just died down once the truth came out. Now I’m going to expose the bullshit JHM is trying to pull with their exhaust and their tunes on here and Audizine, how about that? I’ll act like Saki for a while and stick my nose where it doesnt belong when I obviously dont own one of those Archaic Audi’s.

Sorry, where did I delete anything??? I made that comparison here you moron

http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=1569.msg38962#msg38962

Where have I ever lied?

Go gather some proof and make a call out thread in the war room. This should be interesting.

Ok so if you mentioned it in this thread why do you say you havnt mentioned JHM dyno numbers a few posts up? Again flip flopping. Also I dont want to start a call out thread, I’m not you I dont start vendetta’s with people and call them out and stick my nose where it doesnt belong. You fuck with all the B5 guys, you fuck with the B8 guys, both cars you don’t own.

Didn’t you just say earlier, though, something about how you like to come on these forums and argue with people? You’re all over the map Paper.

Paperybutnotplasticy · December 8, 2019, 2:29pm

91gl:

Paperybutnotplasticy:

I really dont understand you Saki, you hate on these headers which have proven gains, you deny any dyno claims saying dynos are bullshit and dont prove anything, but you start touting JHM’s fake skewed dyno numbers in a Eurocode header thread out of nowhere, Bipolar much? Do you take meds for your bipolar condition? Why dont you get the fuck off of these forums and go back to Audizine and leave the big boys to their discussions?

Big boy? I think thats your cue to leave. Saki is the heart and soul of this forum. You post no knowledge and your credit card and stupid color car are the only reasons your car has any relevance to the forum. You think because of your supposed pulls with phantom cars and a pull with another b8 that there is enough data to proclaim these headers as a proven mod? Go to the track or do some pulls with other members cars and post them up, then we can make a judgement from that.

All you know how to do is regurgitate info ec tells you, other than that you have no experience with modifying cars. Only your credit card does. Go run and tell on us to your ec boys. Hoping to gain some kind of ammo against the real big boys. Only thing big is your jerry curl hair and bushy eyebrows

BTW Eurocode has never told me to post anything about anything ever. I text and talk with David maybe once or twice a month and I see him once every 4-6 weeks at the most. Also Im glad you like my Jerry curl, even though I wouldn’t necessarily call it a jerry curl. Bitches love it though.

beemercer · December 8, 2019, 2:29pm

the bitches love your hair? queue jacx29 meme

Paperybutnotplasticy · December 8, 2019, 2:29pm

clochner:

Paperybutnotplasticy:

sakimano:

Paperybutnotplasticy:

You posted about JHM’s fake bullshit dyno numbers in the other thread before you deleted it so dont act like you dont know what the fuck Im talking about. I like how you seem to edit your posts and modify shit to hide the bipolar shit you post. you were comparing numbers between Eurocodes advertised header gains and JHM’s header gains, that makes you bipolar since you have been telling me for months dynos dont mean shit.

I’ve exposed your lies in previous threads months ago and those threads just died down once the truth came out. Now I’m going to expose the bullshit JHM is trying to pull with their exhaust and their tunes on here and Audizine, how about that? I’ll act like Saki for a while and stick my nose where it doesnt belong when I obviously dont own one of those Archaic Audi’s.

Sorry, where did I delete anything??? I made that comparison here you moron

http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=1569.msg38962#msg38962

Where have I ever lied?

Go gather some proof and make a call out thread in the war room. This should be interesting.

Ok so if you mentioned it in this thread why do you say you havnt mentioned JHM dyno numbers a few posts up? Again flip flopping. Also I dont want to start a call out thread, I’m not you I dont start vendetta’s with people and call them out and stick my nose where it doesnt belong. You fuck with all the B5 guys, you fuck with the B8 guys, both cars you don’t own.

Didn’t you just say earlier, though, something about how you like to come on these forums and argue with people? You’re all over the map Paper.

Ya I enjoy the back and forth that we have, but Im not going to go dig up old posts, make lists and timelines and call someone out. But when there is an actual topic of discussion and it gets really heated, that’s what brings me pleasure.

Paperybutnotplasticy · December 8, 2019, 2:29pm

Well they like it all, but the hair really gets em.

sakimano · December 8, 2019, 2:29pm

Paperybutnotplasticy:

sakimano:

Paperybutnotplasticy:

You posted about JHM’s fake bullshit dyno numbers in the other thread before you deleted it so dont act like you dont know what the fuck Im talking about. I like how you seem to edit your posts and modify shit to hide the bipolar shit you post. you were comparing numbers between Eurocodes advertised header gains and JHM’s header gains, that makes you bipolar since you have been telling me for months dynos dont mean shit.

I’ve exposed your lies in previous threads months ago and those threads just died down once the truth came out. Now I’m going to expose the bullshit JHM is trying to pull with their exhaust and their tunes on here and Audizine, how about that? I’ll act like Saki for a while and stick my nose where it doesnt belong when I obviously dont own one of those Archaic Audi’s.

Sorry, where did I delete anything??? I made that comparison here you moron

http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=1569.msg38962#msg38962

Where have I ever lied?

Go gather some proof and make a call out thread in the war room. This should be interesting.

Ok so if you mentioned it in this thread why do you say you havnt mentioned JHM dyno numbers a few posts up? Again flip flopping. Also I dont want to start a call out thread, I’m not you I dont start vendetta’s with people and call them out and stick my nose where it doesnt belong. You fuck with all the B5 guys, you fuck with the B8 guys, both cars you don’t own.

lol because you brought them up, not me. You’re losing it man.

Focys.

sakimano · December 8, 2019, 2:29pm

clochner:

Paperybutnotplasticy:

sakimano:

Paperybutnotplasticy:

You posted about JHM’s fake bullshit dyno numbers in the other thread before you deleted it so dont act like you dont know what the fuck Im talking about. I like how you seem to edit your posts and modify shit to hide the bipolar shit you post. you were comparing numbers between Eurocodes advertised header gains and JHM’s header gains, that makes you bipolar since you have been telling me for months dynos dont mean shit.

I’ve exposed your lies in previous threads months ago and those threads just died down once the truth came out. Now I’m going to expose the bullshit JHM is trying to pull with their exhaust and their tunes on here and Audizine, how about that? I’ll act like Saki for a while and stick my nose where it doesnt belong when I obviously dont own one of those Archaic Audi’s.

Sorry, where did I delete anything??? I made that comparison here you moron

http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=1569.msg38962#msg38962

Where have I ever lied?

Go gather some proof and make a call out thread in the war room. This should be interesting.

Ok so if you mentioned it in this thread why do you say you havnt mentioned JHM dyno numbers a few posts up? Again flip flopping. Also I dont want to start a call out thread, I’m not you I dont start vendetta’s with people and call them out and stick my nose where it doesnt belong. You fuck with all the B5 guys, you fuck with the B8 guys, both cars you don’t own.

Didn’t you just say earlier, though, something about how you like to come on these forums and argue with people? You’re all over the map Paper.

exactly. ADD at its best.

If you want a good laugh about how he doesn’t carry vendettas go check out the jhm rs4 exhaust group buy thread in the b6/7 section. Prepare for lulz to be had.