B8 S4 headers bank or bust?

B8 S4
#61

You are a piece of work. Let’s see what you said that prompted me to reference other cars…

[quote=Jspazz]Show me another car that has come even close to 27 mph on the big 1/8. any car.
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So, do you understand now? The fact that it was two cars that did it right under your fucking nose is hilarious. It’s OK…you’re wrong (again). Just eat a shit burger, apologize and move on. Happens to everyone.

Want to see the funniest part? The biggest big end MPH gain ever for a B8 S4 was 81bear who added 27.6 MPH, 1.1 MPH more than richi, right under your fucking nose that same day in the fall.

I realise the little kids on audizine are scared off with your chem eng bravado, but Jspazz, get used to being told you’re wrong or out of line. This is audirevolution.
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what kind of gas was 81bear running?

#62

^^^110 or something racey

#63

[quote=“Paperybutnotplasticy,post:59,topic:4177”]
Please explain to me how that is relevant in this comparison?

#64

There you go, if that’s not a testament to the awesome power gains these headers provide I dont know what is. Primetime has made over 100 passes at the track all on race gas and richi pretty much tied his top end gain with only 93 octane on a manual car. Richi also pretty much tied 81Bear who was running a whopping 17 oct more and on a file that was tuned for the extra 17 octane. Check and mate. :stuck_out_tongue:

#65

[quote=“primetime,post:63,topic:4177”]

I don’t understand? your comparing times between 2 cars and one is running race gas and the other is running 93 octane. Unless I’m missing something I think it is relevant no?

#66

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#67

Sak,

I am classy…unlike you, I refrain from personal remarks, and I don’t need to defend what I’ve done at various tracks or what my brother has done with various cars at the strip. Are you going to send me texts again saying that me or my brother are threatening you? Are you going to call him in here again, PM him, and send me paranoid texts begging me not to post your personal and professional information, like you said last time? I still never figured that one out. You may need meds, Sak.

Read up, yes I acknowledged Primes and Bears recent runs. Oh, missed that? Figures.

Classic Saki is to start with 26.76mph gain and argue that it’s 26 mph.

And again with the M3. Who cares? He couldn’t launch AT ALL, I don’t think he’d disagree. He was a great mechanic, though.

What’s even funnier is that when i made the race gas argument with you a while ago, you got all huffy when I told you it’s a lot harder for me to go from 12.4@111 to 12.0 @115, than it is for you to go from 13.2@104 to 12.8@108 in your RS4. Both are 0.4sec/4mph gains. Now you are trying to make basically the same argument to me. Lol.

Anyway, Richi’s 114.97 mph trap (on pump) sticks out like a sore thumb in the numbers, and to see that he did it while only going 88 mph at the 1/8th is incredible. Yes, you need to look at other’s race gas numbers to match that. Argue that however you like, I’m not twisting the numbers. His trap and 26.76 mph gain is fucking fast.

I’ll refrain from anything personal, Sak, maybe you should do the same. But no, I don’t mind if you say what I do for work, like you did up there in your post. I don’t have people online that are “out to get me” like you do.

#68

Jeez, thanks to Sak, I could really use some of whatever Rich has taped to his nutsack today.

#69

Hey man we need to definitely get together and smoke a bowl. Let me know when and where and Im there.

#70

None of that addressed the wrongness of your remarks. None of it. All class though making jokes about mental health…saying I posted the stupidest this you’ve ever read (even though it was right and you just don’t understand)

Focys on the facts.

You said his gain was incredible and when I explained and posted other cars who have seen that gain (‘any car’ were your exact words) …you went off on me. DID YOU NOT SAY ‘ANY CAR’ ??? We know you did… It’s posted right there. So just say sorry for that… You got that wrong.

When I explained why Richie picked up mph so much easier as a result of his modest launch, slow shifting and slipping clutch etc leading to a modest 660’ mph you flat ignore the facts and start this shit with your brother?
Did you not say I posted the stupidest thing you have ever read? Did I not explain it to you, since you have likely got little to no understanding of bad first half quarter mile times and traps, what with driving a can’t fail automatic? Did it not make sense? Since you ignored it I assume it set in and you’re embarrassed now.

Re being a chem eng you posted that on here once. I don’t understand how that’s a concern? Nobody is out to get me. You just need to focys. You really need to.

Life is so much easier when we talk about the facts, rather than you posting weak little attacks because someone challenges bad information you posted. Try it for once. Just accept that you were dead wrong and didn’t understand. You might like it.

#71

I’ll make a plot of the big end 660, and we can see. I’ll include both mph, start and finish.

If I’m wrong, I’ll admit it, but I’m pretty sure you’ll see how significant it is.

Again, I’d guess there’s not much difference between the HFC/test pipe guys and headers, but lets see. I’d stop short of saying that headers are useless, and they sure do look pretty. Considering Ontario e-test has moved to readiness testing only, it’s worth looking at.

#72

On the spreadsheet, make sure you compare Richie to stage two mt6 cars whose clutches slipped a d who shifted gingerly…because that’s what enabled him to pick up a whopping 1.5 mph more than normal stage two loaded b8 s4s.

You don’t seem to understand what I’m saying…that a slow mph at 1/8 is easier to add to than a faster one.

Gaining 26 mph, 89-114 inclusive is much easier than gaining 26 mph 92-117 inclusive.

If you want to look at anything look how long it takes a b8s4 to accelerate from 88 to 114 vs one that goes from 91 to 117. I am sure you will find that data on tsivas pbox runs. It will help you understand. Not only the time, but the distance it takes to gain those mph is quite different. That’s what you’re missing, so your spreadsheet won’t really help you much.

Quite simply the 26.7 Richie gained is much easier to gain than it typically is for a stage Two b8s4 with cps, an intake and full catless exhaust to gain 26.7 mph. It’s a skewed data point you are using to support the headers are worth it argument…which you yourself have just said you actually don’t agree with.

Headers look nice and sound nice vs stock exhaust with cats…However vs 034 hfcs they don’t stack up as worth it.

Seriously skip your spreadsheet (I already have the data and those three are the only ones to gain that on the ‘fastest’ list) . You need to be looking at manual transmission cars that fucked up in the first 1/8… But those timeslips won’t be posted.

#73

I know, exactly what i told you before…you going 104 to 108 in a stock RS4 is a lot easier than me going from 111 to 115 in a B8 S4, and the race gas tune is pretty much proven to better by 0.4 sec /4 mph.

I’ll make plots with 660’ mph to 1320’ mph. One on pump, one on race. You can draw your own conclusions.

The pump slips I pulled so far that have 1/8th mph as follows:

89.58, 88.97, 88.59, rich at 88.21, 88.58, 88.73, 88.31, 88.36, 89.51, 90.11, 91.31. Richi’s doesn’t stand out as being much slower than those around him, they are mostly 88 mph.

The 1/4 mph respectively for those are

111.76, 110.33, 113.03, rich at 114.97, 111.89, 112.40, 111.27, 112.88, 114.36, 115.71, 114.81.

I’m not going to twist it by looking for slow times, just using the raw data as it looks.

Bear I don’t have your latest pump gas slip from last year, I think you did a 12.1…

Anyhow I’m going out with my wife, and then I gotta do another spreadsheet like I promised a friend, then this one. But I can pretty much tell from looking above.

#74

[quote=“Paperybutnotplasticy,post:65,topic:4177”]
sigh… I won’t rehash what Saki said as he did a good job of explaining it… The race fuel vs pump is seen in the 1/8th mph and 1/4 mph difference of 88 to 93 and 114 to 119… On another note the 114, nearly 115 trap shows Richi car makes good power… However, not that you care or acknowledge facts, but bear trapped nearly the same as Richi on pump on a 600 worse DA day… All while running 4 tenths better ET… ET is tranny but same traps shows same power levels… So much for those big header gains!

#75

[quote=“primetime,post:74,topic:4177”]

Thats exactly what Im saying. But again none of that matters, different cars, different days, different tracks, different trannies, different drivers, different wheels, different tires, different weather. You guys are just finding reasons to fuel the hate but again this is coming from people who dont have any experience with this product. Thats like me talking shit about JHM’s downpipes for the RS4 even though I dont own their downpipes and I definitely don’t own an RS4. Some of the stuff you guys say makes no sense.

#76

Paper naw…its not like that. There is no hate I certially dont see it like thst…I agree limmited sample is putting some things in the unknown section. Still for 2500 $ its a big chunk. At this point the limited amout of results could be hurting the over all picture…still tho they are not standing out as a clear needed choice

#77

I just had a look at a fast b8 s4 running 60-130 to see how long and more importantly how far it took them to go from 88.2-114.9 vs 90.2-116.9 (gaining 26.7 mph in both instances).

it took an extra 2 full tenths and an extra 43 feet to go from 90.2-116.9.

This outlines the reality. …that it’s much easier to make this mph gain if your first eighth was sandbagged.

#78

This thread is too funny. Saki how about i convince David to give you a set of these B8 S4 headers at a ridiculously low price so you can test them out on your RS4 and report back with your FACTS so we can put this topic to rest. I actually hit David up earlier letting him know about this thread thinking he might want to create an account and set the facts straight but hes too busy installing these things and making customer cars faster.

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I guess hes not as petty as me and doesnt get the same pleasure as me arguing with people.

#79

Lol. As much as a few people don’t like David on the forums, I think he’s just fine and they know a crapload about what is going on behind the scenes. FWIW I’ve heard of (and been offered) hefty discounts on the headers list price, so the numbers people are quoting here aren’t really accurate to forum members perhaps.

I am not a Eurocode sales guy, you who know me would know that (and those who don’t, well I don’t care). They are supporting and pushing the B8 S4 much in the same way JHM is pushing V8 development, and have brought it as their showcase tuner car for the last two years. I don’t see other tuners doing that, except APR with the grand am car and lots of dollars. FWIW I don’t piss on the people who help the platform and are genuinely excited about it.

Anyhow I did those pump gas plots…found a couple more timeslips. ummm guess which ones are Richis.
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Saki I understand what you are saying, but when the end trap is the same or higher, you can’t really argue what you are saying. His car is a monster on the top end, for whatever reason, and it may as well be his headers. I’d love to see more 6MTs give it a go with or without headers, I think there’s a lot more to show from Rich, Pete, Salmon, Tsivas, Arin, and Paper.

#80

Thank you for taking the time to make this graph and prove the obvious to the people who are too blind with hate(or whatever it may be) to see the truth.
There is so much misinformation in these threads it’s comical. Saki mentioned the headers selling for something like $2800 which is completely false. They retail for $2400 and are usually discounted $300-$400 like they are right now.
He also stated you need to drop the engine to install them which is completely false.
I remember Auditude or Tsivias posting almost identical 60-130 times pre and post 034 cat install showing no gains from their high flow cats, now all of a sudden they make a difference now?? Didn’t you get a software revision from GIAC Auditude? Could that be the reason the car is faster now? Richis car has been having problems because of his CPS but he was still running some impressive time 60-120 on their private track. None of these things get mentioned because it would really put out the hate fires around here, and we definitely don’t want that.