Clutch job pictures

A little a while ago I said that I would post pictures of the clutch job that I did on tomtom’s car. It appears to me that the B8 S4s need help with good clutches to keep up with the DSG guys and there is room for improvement! I replaced his slipping six puck clutchmasters setup with the new DXD clutch kit. There are a lot of pictures so I will show the more important ones and link to the others to try to keep it reasonable, so here goes.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll37/Jimmybones777/B8S4clutchjob12.jpg

The flywheel, clutch disc, and pressure plate all come out with the transmission.

This is clutchmasters six puck setup that was slipping:

  1. everything still together - http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll37/Jimmybones777/B8S4clutchjob13.jpg
  2. old flywheel - http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll37/Jimmybones777/B8S4clutchjob14.jpg
  3. six puck clutch disc - http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll37/Jimmybones777/B8S4clutchjob16.jpg
  4. pressure plate - http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll37/Jimmybones777/B8S4clutchjob15.jpg

Take a look at the throw-out bearings. The new factory bearing is on the left and the clutchmasters bearing is on the right. Do you see that huge spacer that they put on the bearing to make it long enough to reach the pressure plate fingers? No wonder that along with the aggressiveness of the six puck makes the clutch engagement like an on/off switch about an inch off the floor.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll37/Jimmybones777/B8S4clutchjob17.jpg

At this point I think that the clutchmasters kit is a generic kit that they slapped together to make it work for the B8 S4s. The B8 S4s with the stock heavy flywheel just don’t rev high enough or fast enough to take advantage of the six puck design. At the time that the factory clutch failed though I think that the six puck was the only option.

Then we get to the DXD clutch kit. It is advertized as OEM clutch kit with a slightly stronger pressure plate.
http://www.gmpperformance.com/index.cfm?PG=detail&PID=253796&VS=1

Here is a shot of the slightly stronger pressure plate. Notice the small green metal pressure plate springs. When I called gmp the guy told me that DXD changes the springs and the geometry of the springs to make the pressure plate stronger.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll37/Jimmybones777/B8S4clutchjob23.jpg

Here are the rest of the shots of the DXD clutch.

  1. close up of the pressure plate springs - http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll37/Jimmybones777/B8S4clutchjob24.jpg
  2. Clutch disc flywheel side - http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll37/Jimmybones777/B8S4clutchjob20.jpg
  3. Clutch disc pressure plate side - http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll37/Jimmybones777/B8S4clutchjob21.jpg
  4. Shiny new OEM flywheel - http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll37/Jimmybones777/B8S4clutchjob19.jpg
  5. Blurry cleaned transmission bell housing with new throw-out bearing - http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll37/Jimmybones777/B8S4clutchjob18.jpg

After driving the car with the new DXD clutch it feels the same as stock since it mostly is! There is a new OEM flywheel, throw-out bearing, and old OEM shift fork so it largely is just a disc slap. I think the clutch disc in the DXD kit looks a lot like the disc used in the older JHM stage three kits but you guys can guess for yourselves how well it will work.

It amazes me how all the clutch kits for the B8s say that they come with a clutch alignment tool but when you open the box it takes a minute to go where is the tool? Neither the clutchmasters kit or DXD kit came with a clutch alignment tool. I used the input shaft as an alignment tool by eyeballing the disc to center it up and put the pressure plate bolts in finger tight then pressed the whole thing into the input shaft. The disc stayed in place enough to tighten the pressure plate bolts to full spec and then put it back in. Here is a shot of the disc lined up to the flywheel.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll37/Jimmybones777/B8S4clutchjob22.jpg

Now that I have gone over the clutch kits I want to cover a few other cool things that Audi did with the B8s and newer cars. (A8s, A6/A7s, and B8.5s)

To get to the back of the engine and the top of the transmission Audi make the middle of the cowl wall removable.
First you have to take out all this crap:

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll37/Jimmybones777/B8S4clutchjob6.jpg

It looks like this with the heater core lines hooked back up so you don’t leak much coolant.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll37/Jimmybones777/B8S4clutchjob7.jpg

Then you can get these top four transmission bell housing bolts out. They switched to the very laughable light aluminum transmission bell housing bolts. I kid you not a similarly sized socket extension is heavier than these bolts. Plus you don’t run into issues with steel bolts going into an aluminum block like damaging threads.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll37/Jimmybones777/B8S4clutchjob8.jpg

Here are some shots of the bolts before I took them out.

  1. Starting from right to left you can see bolts 1, 2, and the side of 3 - http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll37/Jimmybones777/B8S4clutchjob3.jpg
  2. You can see bolt 3 better in this picture and bolt 4 is partially behind the wiring - http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll37/Jimmybones777/B8S4clutchjob4.jpg
  3. Here is a better picture of bolt 4 - http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll37/Jimmybones777/B8S4clutchjob2.jpg
  4. A lot of the new guys would try to get the bolts 5 and 6 from the top but they are a lot easier from the bottom - http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll37/Jimmybones777/B8S4clutchjob5.jpg

Moving to the bottom. Behind this black plastic cap is the service opening to get the bolts out that hold the flywheel to the flex-plate:

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll37/Jimmybones777/B8S4clutchjob9.jpg

The S4/S5s have six of these twelve point 16mm bolts in the service opening. You can also see the half shaft that connects to the front differential through the service opening. Pretty cool that the flywheel sits in front of the half shaft.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll37/Jimmybones777/B8S4clutchjob10.jpg

When I got the transmission out I noticed this. Does it look familiar to anybody here because it should. That is the stabilizer rod end of the shift linkage. It looks like the same bushings as the old B6/B7 S4s and RS4s but at a different angle. That looks prime for some Delrin bushings and hell the ones for the older cars my fit right in without any changes.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll37/Jimmybones777/B8S4clutchjob28.jpg

The other side of the shift linkage is worse since it is all plastic. The whole end is plastic and rubber along with the cross rod other than the metal section that aligns to the transmission selector rod. Also a good time to look at the flex plate that the flywheel bolts to and the crappy factory cats.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll37/Jimmybones777/B8S4clutchjob27.jpg

Jimmy - nice work and thanks for that very great write up!

Having seen and worked on both kits- Which kit right now do you believe is better?

I have heard some new kits are on the horizon and I’m fine waiting for now if there are better options coming.

Is that a lift outside?

I would use either the OEM or DXD clutch depending on which one I could get cheaper. Neither kit really stands out to me and I tried to push JHM hard to let him be a beta tester but it didn’t work out.

Yes Joe my lift is outside and I have a cover for when it rains too. Winter and the cold is coming which sucks.

Great work Jimmy as usual. Interesting how little difference there is in the DXD set up. Hopefully JHM will come out with a version that improves upon all the weak OEM areas.

At my brother’s last house he had an ourdoor lift behind the garage. In the winter we would put an RV (car port for big RV’s) port over it and use two of those propane turbine looking heaters. They worked awesome. Two total, one on each side. We just unzipped the doors on either end for ventilation and put a fan on each end to help circulate air. Was nice and warm on those freezing cold nights.

nice writeup… the fore-mounted halfshafts weird me out, imagine snapping one of those axles :o

you have to love the outside lift. What a great dedication. Thanks for the pix. Looks like a nightmare.