They use a race tire that is ‘street legal’ I believe. Nearly treadless Michelin cup tires on the last edition of the z06.
And pro drivers
And LOADS of attempts
And correcting the density altitude
And the car makes the same power to weight as an 850 hp R8. Think an 850 hp R8 would be happy with 2.9 when they hit 3.2 stock routinely making 550 hp? I think they’d be a bit disappointed.
Take it to another level…
90% of the people who buy a 550 hp r8 will be able to hit 3.2 0-60 mph (there’s always a few micks/badblues/Daytonars4 who will fuck it up)
10% of the people who buy a z06 will be able to hit 2.9. That’s the biggest difference.
Someone with a 650 hp CTS-V who is terrified to push the car and who doesn’t even consider taking it to the track etc tried to tell me that RWD is better because it’s harder. Made no sense to me.
I think it just depends on how you define “fast”. In your case, it seems to be drag racing and revving out to redline in 1st and 2nd. Fine. That’s what you enjoy and no one will argue with you that RWD monsters have trouble at the drag strip. But the stock times the f8x M3’s are putting down would seem to indicate to me that they are capable of putting down power at the track, but I digress…
My personal opinion is that unless you live well outside of an urban area, you are never going to be able to rev redline WOT ever on public roads. I barely find the opportunity to rev past 5k during my everyday driving (not that I can go much further lol >:().
To me owning any kind of high power RWD car like a GT3 or Z06 would be to take it to track days or hoon the shit out of it in the backroads. Would never daily drive nor expect to get even 50% on public roads. To me putting down 100% of the power at low speeds wouldn’t be that important. On a track I’m pretty sure it would be possible to push the car, since speeds rarely dip below 50 mph…of course taking a car like a Z06 or GT3 to 9/10 would require an incredible amount of skill and experience. It would probably be easier to do this in an R8 or GT-R, so yes, there is an advantage to AWD in the hands of a less experienced driver. But I doubt a GT3 owner would wish their car was AWD.
Yes, the old C4 was dangerous in terms of snap oversteer…both on a track and on the roads. One of the highest accident rates and most expensive to insure from what I was told. Other companies build a lot more understeer into their cars. I think the more modern ESC systems will do a better job of keeping you on the track, also the rear active diffs will help. Hell, I’ve taken my S4 with 4 wheels off the track twice, the first time was because I disabled both levels of ESC and abruptly lifted while going pretty quick (maybe 80 MPH) over some severely undulating terrain at Grattan.
we’re talking about acceleration…WTF else are we talking about when debating the merits of RWD’s ability to put the power down? Accelerating through the gears, and specifically, 1st, 2nd, and hell why not 3rd. But these are where we drive our cars. If your needs for your car to be fast are only fast on the highway above 60mph, why don’t you sell your B8 S4 and get a front drive B8 A4 with a giant turbo? Or a GTI? Why did you buy a B8 S4 with AWD and a small supercharger? Your car isn’t great for top end. It is very limited. Your car is all about being fast at low speeds and being able to put it down with quattro. Your car is everything you’re arguing against here.
again…why’d you buy an AWD sedan if you think there’s no value in AWD? You should own a RWD or FWD car. Cheaper, better on gas, lighter and more dynamic.
The reason is because you’re just arguing for the sake of arguing. That’s fine. But you’re losing.
I am talking about sports cars like you were discussing…400HP+ RWD “monsters”…just because I bought an awd sedan for daily driving doesn’t mean I can’t see the merits of something else. My decision to buy my car was based on a hell of a lot more than simply “putting down the power”. I think you really need to relax, anyone who has a different opinion or world view isn’t “arguing” with you and “losing”…jesus dude.
you keep getting really upset and making circular arguments. If you want to make arguments for fun, that’s fine. I don’t think you believe in your own argument though. You’re just looking to oppose someone. As I said, that’s fine. I don’t think you’re doing very well. Your hearts not in it.
I definitely don’t need to relax. It’s a fucking internet thread discussing AWD vs RWD. Who cares? You think AWD is better (but are arguing for RWD for some reason) and I think AWD is better at putting power down. If anyone is anything but relaxed, it’s you. So ‘relax’ dude. (p.s. I’m not into the whole Jesus thing. Didn’t you read the atheism discussion?)
coming in way late… but I knew from the title this would be entertaining. speaking to the last comment regarding CTS-V…
I had a coworker with a CTS-V making about 620hp. He was saying he was really interested to get a TTRS like mine (I was actually driving my TTS at the time but he wasn’t savvy enough to tell the difference) but wanted something with substantially more power so he had opted for the CTSV. Fast forward a some months into the St. Louis winter and I hadn’t seen the CTS-V in almost 2 months so I asked the guy when we were in the office… where the car was.
“I don’t drive it since it cant hook up below 40 degrees, I just take my wifes car”
I’m not sure if I concealed my amusement at that or not.
I was reading about the Nissan Skyline R32 GTR. Which then destroyed everyone on the touring car scene. AWD and 4 wheel steering. Nissan figured it out 25 odd years ago. (Obviously Audi did before that but Audi made their name on quattro. Wanted to use Nissan as an example of a “mass” production company)
