I don’t think anyone will have an answer for this. I wonder how it will match up vs the GT-R
$79k for a supercharged v8 650hp / 650 ft-lbs torque stock is incredible.
I’m sure the Z06 will be impressive on perfect dry pavement but other than some areas of Southern California the rest of us live in the real world. I’ll take the AWD.
Yeah RWD is completely useless in this era. Porsche figured it out 15 years ago when the 996 turbo came only with AWD.
RWD feels great for sure when you’re hitting a corner hard, but when you make even 300tq, acceleration becomes quite delicate with RWD.
now that we are at 400, 500,600 and even 700 hp on the performance variants of the car world, having RWD becomes a joke.
Some figured it out in the racing world decades ago, that at race team power levels awd was a huge help , and the various racing bodies quickly stepped in to ban awd as it was such an advantage at high power levels. Foolish to ban it. That was to protect the ‘RWD is best’ that almost everyone but Audi marketed to clients namely many of the race teams’ parent companies in various competitive series.
If you’re BMW today and you’ve been yapping about RWD being best for so long, you can’t go AWD. the AMG guys are starting to come around to it with some of the bigger cars. Can’t wait for them to wake up and make the C63 AWD.
If you are talking about group B rally, I thought the real reason the FIA shut it down was that fans got killed in Portugal and some other drivers died in a series of tragedy. Obviously there is some causation there, but I think it was more the rally format with the highly overpowered cars. They allowed other rally groups to continue, just not with that level of power.
I’m not too well versed in how F1 dealt with AWD, but I know it was attempted in the 60’s, but then the focus changed. FIA F1 regulations are so complicated and political I don’t know how exactly AWD was treated.
I think it’s pretty clear that AWD offers performance advantages at the top end of tech (when you have active diffs in all 3 locations - front, rear, center), but who’s to say in a 100k or less car. It’s definitely clear that the older vettes were some of the most dangerous cars on the road (minus any mid-engined car) due to how much oversteer was engineered into the chassis (learned this from a guy who was a design consultant on the C4).
But I wonder how these new breeds of RWD cars, like the F8x M3 or C7 handle at the limit with the active rear differential and all the active stability control you can throw on top. Definitely a lot more sorted than the prior generations…can you still get snap oversteer, probably, but it can’t be as bad as the previous generations. Aren’t most race series still RWD? Isn’t the R8 LMS race car still RWD?
Not saying I’d want RWD on my next car, but I wouldn’t just assume that current AWD tech is making RWD obsolete. Hell…I wouldn’t even want an xdrive bmw, it’s pretty much the opposite of fwd haldex awd systems…permanent RWD and then send some torque front when detecting slip or predicting slip during a launch.
IMSA is where the awd banning legend came from iirc
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs49/f/2009/216/e/1/Audi_90_Quattro_IMSA_GTO_by_TVRfan.jpg
Wow that’s a lot of writing. No I’m not talking about gruppe b. Motorsport in general isn’t very awd friendly. The lack of awd isn’t because it’s worse. It’s because it’s not allowed. Not sure you misunderstood me or if I did a poor job explaining myself.
That clip of the car on the starting grid was hilarious. It was in the ‘truth in the blacklist’ ad
Funny response about writing too much, you of all people lol. It’s a slow day at work and I was just posting that I think modern RWD high performance cars have a place. But we can turn this into how I’m an idiot for not reading what you wrote more carefully.
What is the opposite of x2?
The Corvette could be 1500 hp, awd for Saki, and I still wouldn’t care.
Divided by 2
This should be interesting one. What I don’t understand is why it takes so long for them to get the exact pricing. I’ve been calling chevy dealerships all over country since June and nobody still cannot give me exact pricing only ballpark. I could already leave a deposit for one, but I wouldn’t know the pricing, wtf…
that’s because if it’s super ‘oversubscribed’ they don’t want to sell it at MSRP. They want more. SO if they tell you $85,000 as you want it equipped and give up one of their slots, then someone offers them $90,000, they’ll feel silly.
no idea what that means
easy…
you were talking about all kinds of stuff. I was talking about a couple of things. That’s all.
You mentioned ‘older vettes are some of the most dangerous cars on the road’. Did you mean dangerous for crashing?
I think you’ve been to the dragstrip, right? How’d you do against the vettes on street tires? The M5s? The CTSv guys? The Mustang guys? I’m guessing you did a lot better than you’d think…and your car was shifting you at 5800 - 6200 RPM costing you about 40 hp of top end.
And that’s my point. Street cars, making this power, on street tires, go nowhere fast in 1st and 2nd gear. Last time I checked, we’re all driving around primarily under 100 mph. A bit disappointing if it your car has a boatload of RWD power and doesn’t work that well 96% of the time. "It’s great above 100 mph in 4th and up though!’. Great. Have fun out there.
Are they making it that limited of a run that each dealer will only get a few allocations?
I guess I’m going to have to go through every option, build it and see what they say the price is, maybe give a call to couple of dealers around the country and see how close each quote is, go from there. It’s such an annoyance of not being in the know…
You must not be looking in the right places, pricing has been out. And you can get allocations at or even under msrp. You just aren’t looking in the right places I guess. Did you go to a chevy forum to find out pricing on a audi when you first started looking 
What do you mean by right places? I went and called directly to Chevy dealerships(both local and all over the country) and nada just ballpark#s which would be several thousands within actual price once they’ll get pricing whenever that’ll happen.
If you read his post, I think he is pretty clearly implying to check the forums where the Chevy and Corvette guys hang out.
Or just PM him
So how are they getting a 0-60 of 2.9? Leaving out the part that they used slicks???