Fleabay headers, Part Deux

B6/7 S4/RS4
#41

Sorry, why are you talking about going around corners? You’re adding headers…a power mod. You want to evaluate your power mod with cornering? What? Oh sorry, I misunderstood…you didn’t build your car for hte dragstrip. Newsflash…none of us did.

So you want to measure your car’s acceleration with…a dyno? Did you build the car for the dyno? Because that’s your rationale for announcing your fear of the dragstrip so boldly.

Also, last time I was at a track day, we didn’t drive around the entire track in a steady state at 40 mph and see who cornered the nicest. We accelerated HARD out of every single corner until we had to brake and position the car for the next corner…and then we accelerated HARD again. Those acceleration sections are far more valuable for telling me how my car is doing than a damn dyno sheet. The 1/4 mile is basically a big straight away, but with actual timing systems that are standardized, and give you a benchmark against which to measure your modifications/car.

Back to the track day…some guys were faster carrying speed through the corners. Some were faster accelerating on the straights. End of the day, NOBODY was measuring their handling and suspension based on how it managed the straightaway, and NOBODY measured their car’s acceleration by how it handled the corners.

Then you finished saying you’re not ‘chasing timeslips’ and building your car to launch this and that. None of us do. My car went to the dragstrip with the mods I showed you. tune, downpipes, exhaust, rotors and crank pulley. That’s it. Stock clutch, stock suspension, stock everything. Full interior, street trim, street tires and stock wheels. Nothing about ‘building it to launch’ etc. It’s a few well placed acceleration mods, most/all of which you will have. So, why not measure your car against that?

I have to say, the guys who avoid the dragstrip are always the same. There’s a de facto standard acceleration test that every platform and every magazine/periodical/online review site uses to evaluate acceleration…and it’s a run through the first 4 or 5 gears from a dead stop. It measures so many things. But you’re avoiding it.

EVERY SINGLE GUY who avoided the dragstrip in the past did so because they either knew their car wouldn’t perform, or they were scared to find out the truth. Nobody rebels against the gold standard acceleration test without a great reason.

#42

For the sake of more knowledge, do it. Take pre-header dyno and 1/4 #s and then same post install. I don’t see what’s a big deal of going to the strip couple of times and recording your findings, just like with a dyno maybe a bit more fun imho

#43

It’s simple. He’s a road course elitist who thinks he’s above the dragstrip. He thinks going to the dragstrip will lower him somehow, and become his new identity (even though every frigging supercar platform on earth measures acceleration with the dragstrip lol)

He also doesn’t have a clue what going to the dragstrip once means. He thinks you have to get a parachute attached to your car, and a roll cage, and slicks and buy a trailer. He is completely, and utterly clueless. Typical road course elitist. They are literally all the same.

#44

also, I love how he thinks he’s the first guy to dyno these shitbox china headers. What a laugh. Yes, really adding to the community lololol.

#45

Yup^ a lot of great info was lost on AZ, due to vendor abuse, but that’s not to say it wasn’t there to begin with. Some of us seasoned folks still remember what went down.
Hopefully, he’ll sack up, install these and we’ll see pre/post dyno&strip #s. Hell I’ll even take pre/post track times in an addition to the first two. I’m all up for more info. Although, I believe measuring power adders on any given track is quite a bit harder than at a strip.

#46

you will see no such thing. He will not go to the strip (these guys are NEVER converted once their fear of the getting beatdown by the measuring stick takes hold)…and when he does dyno, the numbers will be ho hum, and he will disappear.

That is assuming he gets them installed in the car or even ever gets the car back together. My prediction is he disappears like a fart in the wind.

#47

That’s why I kept getting tripped up on. No less then 5 of us said. We saw the information he was looking for. The results were not good. We saw the proof and the same company that didn’t make am honest part was again dishonest and covered it up.

At some point we all need to move on and know that the company XS and it’s parts are junk. It’s always and already been proven. It was proven and then covered up. The answer isn’t more threads the answer is rejecting the fraud company of XS

#48

Sakimano, your vast assumptions about me, what I like and what I am or am not above are just silly. You are quite literally talking out of your ass - but you won me 50$ from a friend, so thanks, I owe you a beer! Next time, read the thread before jumping onto the “go yell at this guy” bandwagon.

However, let me be very clear, your saying “he is a road course elitist who thinks he’s above the dragstrip” makes you sound like an idiot. You know nothing about me, my driving preferences or my intentions with this dialog. Stop making assumptions that literally have no bearing on this discussion. I simply said - I don’t take my car to the drag strip as I prefer actually driving my car - not seeing how fast I can go in straight line. That’s it. It’s not something that has ever interested me - has nothing to do with fear or anything else you said in your post. but I appreciate your showing up, being predictable and making me some money!

Also “I love how he thinks he’s the first guy to dyno these shitbox china headers” post a link to the thread with numbers… ANY THREAD WITH FACTS. And don’t just repeat the same thing that everyone does “this has been done” you don’t have any words to respond with. You can either post a link to a thread with facts, or not. I bet not.

The entire reason for doing this was to create a post with facts that isn’t going to go away.

I don’t think these headers are good. I don’t think they are going to bring performance adds to my car. I didn’t ‘buy’ them because I am an idiot that wants to put cheap shit on my car. I saw an opportunity and wanted to take advantage of it. I am considering doing this for all the kids that aren’t getting answers to their questions with facts to back it up - instead they are all being yelled at by guys like you that can’t link them to facts, you all just expect a stranger to trust you. I have some candy, right here in my van, trust me…

I don’t care about the history of vendors and the BS. I care about the fact that not one single person here has ever proven that the XS headers are junk. In fact, I don’t think a single person involved in this thread has ever seen the parts first hand, seen them installed on a car, or seen them run. Not one of you. So you are all just adding your uninformed opinions to a discussion based entirely on speculation and expecting people who know nothing about you to trust you and take your word at face value. My intention is to end the speculation / new user hate and provide facts that inform our community.

If you all think those facts can only be validated by sticking my car on the 1/4 mile then so be it. I’ll consider that in my testing matrix. I just come from a place where motors are built on dyno’s and so that’s where I think to go in order to validate a measurable gain/loss. But I can certainly factor in a 1/4 mile result in the testing - I just wont be able to do a before and after as it’s not in the schedule an option given the time table I am working with.

But again - you are all adding to the “why the audi community is so polarized” because you would rather not read a thread, and just start throwing poop like monkeys. Not one of you said anything like “Finally we can prove these things are shit and show the newbs the facts” you all just jumped in with “oh great another cheap ass that wants to buy junk, so we should all go yell at him” band wagon.

but again, thanks for making me a little money and offering your opinions to the thread.

#49

I think your the wrong person to test anything. You keep saying facts but posting speculation.

You have been told already told by people that have actually seen these parts are junk and by people that have been part of watching people get ripped off. Your the one not getting it. Weather you want to keep going on and on about hearsay that’s fine. That’s what XS wants you to do. They want you to ignore the facts. They want you to day I didn’t see the threads they had removed. Sure tons of people can attest to it happening. But… Fact is. Most of us are quick enough to say them covering up the results are sign of a Shadyside company. We shouldn’t even consider there products. Your stuck on one angle. Performance. It goes way beyond performance. This is the fooling you. They want you to ignore the standing facts.

Here are the facts

Fact … SSAC and XS have been ripping people and vendors off for years. There isn’t a shortage of threads of people with first hand experience saying this.

Fact SSAC has lied repeatedly over and over about these headers. They still say they fit cars they don’t.

Fact SSAC has covered up the poor results on the forums buy paying there way out of things and covering up or closing threads.

Fact SSAC doesn’t actually make anything or develop anything. They try to knock off parts in hopes of getting some sucker like you to go test them because there junk.

Fact headers have been made for all kinds of Audis. From the B8 S4 b5 S4 b7 RS4. In testing these headers made by legitimate company’s didn’t make much or any power over stock due to several factors of lacking design aspects. Like equal length… merge collector…tube placement.

Fact the SSAC XS headers are nothing more then longer thin walled pipes. They aren’t equal length they aren’t staggered pipes and they don’t have a merge collector.

Fact the people who are uneducated enough to by these products and run into issues ( alomst all the time) are given no help no support and no refund.

Why are we still talking about this company let alone there products. You say you want to do something for the community. Then understand it’s not just about the lack of performance. It’s about lack of any moral compass thus company has. If you post all the facts and people see that and still people think they need more proof your wasting your time. If you really want to help you do what everyone that has already realized the facts are true. You take a stand and reject the part and the companies that work like that.

If you want to be a ginnipig because the XS company has covered up the results and refused to actually show there products work. Then feel free. Most of us have already disregarded the XS brand because of its shitty parts and shitty past. If you can get past all the fraud all the people who got fucked over and still say. We need proof… then consider what your proving. Your proving what. That they did a shifty job of trying to copy a product from the company that actually gave a shit about the S4 when there were no performance parts (jhm) if you still think that after all the facts that there needs to be more threads about XS. XS just won and suckered you into doing what they never did themselves and they managed to keep a conversation going even tho they shouldn’t even be considered. The results don’t matter bad press is still press.

The dyno is useless. I ram one for years. Acceleration is what people pay for.

#50

“I think your the wrong person to test anything”… really, and why pre tell is that? What facts have you learned about me, my professional or personal experience or ability to “test a set of headers” that make you make that statement?

I am not negating any of your stated facts - not a single time have I defended either company. In fact, I’ve been very clear about my position in regards to these parts - I think they are shit. But people still ask, and mythbusters is a great show, so why not test and prove - show that they don’t fit (actual photos of why they don’t fit), show that they don’t measure up (actual side by side of JHM vs. XS Headers), show that they have no value add (with actual numbers). Then you can actually answer the newbs questions with fact. Not opinions.

It’s actually funny to me how harsh this group is and how vehement you all are about your opinions and the fact that people should trust you. You are just another person typing into your computer. You have all skipped over the most important thing. No new people, the people asking about these parts, have any clue who you people are. So why is it exactly that you think they should listen to you? Help me understand that part.

If this was all so ‘crystal clear’ and ‘been done before’ there should be miles of click fodder and thread after thread we can link to about “guy tries to install and fails”, “guy gets install done but looses power”, “guy suffers his third weld fracture and has to pull headers”… none of these posts exist. There are 6-7 guys that all say the same thing. “These parts are shit - trust us, we know”. To which I can only respond with the devils advocate questions and ask - “have you seen these parts?”, “have you installed these parts?”, “have you tested these parts?” - show me the results.

To which everyone just listens to the crickets… “Well [chest puff], the threads all got deleted, we know more than you, therefore you should just trust us”…

I want to put the threads back online that show, without question, the facts.

And you are all willing to not only argue against the gathering of said facts, but you are all willing to get aggressive and shitty with someone that’s trying to help gather those facts.

The only thing I’ve gotten from any of this that’s of value to my process is “drag strip results or GTFO” - to which I responded with “Cool, I’ll add it to my testing matrix”. Oh and that $50.00 I made off Sakimano - thanks for that.

The fact that all the historical threads are gone should make you worry about those that run the boards - not shit all over the newb who is just asking a question hoping to get some information on a part. We all start somewhere, just like each and every one of you guys that had to go through the growing pains of learning about your platforms.

#51

jcviggen déjà vu . . .

#52

what does this “jcviggen déjà vu . . .” mean?

Is there a thread that can be pointed to? I searched both here and audizine and found nothing in regards.

thanks!

#53

You realize your talking to some of the guys that have had the top S4 times.

The guys that have installed every part on their cars, some of us have even seen the BHF way too up close and personal.

If anyone has a shitty attitude right now it is you and it’s foolish the lengths you are going to dismiss 1/4mile testing.

Honestly, just do the test or fuck off. The idiots that buy that junk don’t mean a thing to the platform anyway.

#54

Enjoy. :slight_smile:

http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=3131.0

#55

Your telling me. Icanfly can’t read apparently. He asked how i came to the conclusion he shouldn’t test anything while , you answer was connected to the comment.

Icanfly keeps going on and on. Not addressing anything but from what I believe. He is just ONE of Those guys. This is something he wants to do and is trying to make it look like he is sacrificing for us. No Most of us already get it and all of us have moved on. We have already seen and we all know. We have to spoon feed him links even tho there are countless threads. He is more willing to pull his motor and go through all that then spending some time typing into Google.

Again. He is ignoring everything that should already end the conversation. Shady company. .bad results. .consistent bad reviews…a product that isn’t anything more then a cheap knock off. BUT we need more testing. No we need less thrash threads and more people. Doing something for the community by taking a stand. A stand against company’s and practice like that.

Seriously get a PES kit already.

I guess I’m just not understanding how you haven’t seen google. Search and if you want to help. Take all the past failures and post them for people. Or like the rest of us. Don’t take time to test something for a company that doesn’t care for people who don’t care. Take a stand against a company that is built off fraud and has been fucking people over for years. The idea that testing is going to make you look like a saint or your helping the community is foolish. Look at all the PES threads and all the PES testing. There’s a sucker born every minute. And if you go test a product from a company that ripped off other company’s and other people then your the sucker XS is looking for. Congratulations your showing it’s not how a company acts or there past but weather or not they did good on a dyno.

#56

“If anyone has a shitty attitude right now it is you and it’s foolish the lengths you are going to dismiss 1/4mile testing.”

I am not, nor have I dismissed anything, I made a statement about my personal preference - I don’t drag race, I then went on to discuss my history related to “dyno built motors” and why that would be the first place I’d go. I then stated that I have a plan in place and getting to a 1/4 mile track wasn’t in the schedule. I have a dyno day schedule on both sides of the work - It’s not an option for me to get to the drag strip between the time I have scheduled - this is the only reason I wouldn’t be able to factor it in - but I am considering editing my schedule just to complete the testing per everyone’s statement that ‘that is where the facts are found’.

So quickly clicking through that thread that was posted regarding jcviggen - I am not sure how that relates to my initial “Is anyone interested in an actual review of these parts?” post, but I appreciate your actually posting a link to the thread for me to click through. I can see how you are relating these and it would make perfect sense had I come to this forum and said “Guys, I just bought these amazing headers and am going to prove you all wrong!!!”. which is almost the exact opposite of what I said.

Again - I am not saying these parts are good or that I WANT to run them on my car. - I am saying there are no threads that can be pointed at as evidence. I am interested in creating one. I have searched here, audizine, quattroworld etc. no threads with any facts can be found. It’s all the same thing “Dicks stole JHM design, they are garbage, trust us”. I am not asking for ‘spoon fed facts’. I am asking for a link to any thread that has facts. No one produced one. Searching doesn’t produce any.

I never asked for opinions about the parts, or opinions about the company. I asked for interest in getting a fact related thread put together. Everyone exploded about the ‘shitty china garbage’ - as predicted - and then went on and made a bunch of statements that had nothing to do with my initial question, because you’ve all been sharking around the same topic and thrashing anyone that even asks a question about them instead of just going “Here, young’un, this is a thread where someone bought this junk and documented it - educate yourself. My opinion is to steer clear, but you make your own choice based on those facts”.

I had a unique opportunity and thought the community would be interested in some facts that we can point the newbs to. Clearly, you are not - no worries.

And now here we are, eating popcorn and laughing at each other.

At least we all share one thing in common, and absolute passion for our cars!

#57

I’ll just keep saying this.

If you want to help. Take a stand against company’s that don’t support the community. You asked a question. You got the answers. No nobody thinks we need more testing or more threads. That what XS wants.

#58

DId you actually search? I just googled XS headers audi and found evidence of poor fitment and performance within 30 seconds. You will also find deleted posts and dead links, which reinforces our statements of that company trying to hide the problems.

I also googled “what causes thin skin” and that provided some explanation and fixes. Not sure if it applies to thin skin on the internet, like you have, but it might help for you. Let me know if you want me to link it.

#59

Meistah continues to knock me dead. That’s why I said I didn’t understand icanfly. I found all the links he just asked for.

#60

Heh - You found the same things I found. Empty threads, dead ends and not a single thread that could be read that had direct evidence - it was all “he said / she said / I heard”. Hence the original question. Had you found anything that was actually useful, you’d have certainly posted a link to your comment in order to shut this conversation down… sadly, there is no link. There is one link related to the XS Dp’s that has actual owner insight, that’s it!

But we’ve moved well past anything useful coming of this dialog. I appreciate the reinforcement of my expectations when asking the original question, and thanks for the interesting and semi-educational dialog. Oh, and the $50 bucks! I do owe you a beer, Sakimano.

As for the ‘having thin skin’ that shit was funny and is absolutely the best thing that came out of this entire dialog, I’ll swipe that if you don’t mind.