I believe I’ve seen it tested on the UK forums once. At least that (knock off) carbon intake which is basically an open cone filter with a pretty heat absorbing cover.
IIRC the loss was somewhere in the range of 6 horsepower or so. Nothing you’d really notice but a loss regardless. Dyno conditions are usually challenged for airflow so maybe in real life motoring along at 50mph the loss would largely disappear. But I don’t think there can be any gains. Because when the “power flap” opens on the stock intake it’s doing nearly the same thing.
Maybe an open filter element could “feel” a bit peppier because
a) more sound
b) raising intake temps whilst driving slowly the throttle can be less restricted when you do get on it.
With the exhaust the issue is more the fact that there is no properly engineered aftermarket exhaust that measures 2.25. If someone did make one that included an X crossover in the right spot and straight through mufflers then we could test the pipe diameter theory but alas we can’t.
I can’t find much on it the point others are making is that you will be getting a discount on something that nobody really knows how well or how in depth it works or has the ability to work.
Ross tech is a power house and your paying for what they know and the support there able to provide. Sorry I couldn’t be more helpful. If this is helping to me and I would think lots of guys like me. Let’s say you decided to take the blind jump on this. You could say it does almost the same thing as the Ross tech cable. And if I needed to get another cable I would still get the Ross tech cable.
buy used Rosstech for $250
use it for 3 years till you sell the car
sell Rosstech for $200 at WORST
cost = $-50
The other option?
Buy unproven thing with shit computing power that likely can’t log for shit. $200
Use it for 3 years, sell it for who knows what. Likely half of the retail price, since the wholesale distributors need a margin.
Total cost $-100.
Or the other (more likely) option
Buy unproven thing for $200
Use for 3 months and regret it
Sell for $100
Buy used Rosstech for $250
use for 3 years
Sell for $200
Total cost $-150
That’s very true. You would be paying to figure out if it worked and if you got stuck on something you wouldn’t be able to get ugh help from the majority. If you ran into am issue with a toss tech cable trying to log or recode something you have like a ton of guys who can help because they have the same tool
That’s exactly why I asked. I cant find much info on it. I’m not saying one is better but I am saying, clearly and undeniably (the same thing that others are saying) is that if you don’t have experience with it they cant POSSIBLY tell me they are making an educated suggestion on why or why not to use it. Maybe I should have started this with “if you don’t know, don’t comment”?
Why certain people have to get so butt-hurt and abrasive, I’ll never understand. I guess when you cant steam-roll someone with your uneducated “opinion”, you just remind them that you have a track record and that should be enough. Saki must have an arm ache from patting himself on the back so frequently.
Really? I’m far from sticking up for him. Keep grasping at straws man, you’re obviously the forum king of inconvenient truths, as you say. The inconvenient truth here is that you can prove your point and you’ve once again whipped out the “I have a record” line.
Many of us have plenty of life and motorsports accomplishments but we don’t hinge our credibility on them and bring them up when they have absolutely no relevance, just to make us feel better.
Jeff, take a step back and realize we are offering you advice and our OPINION on why this “new scan tool” is hardly worth it in the grand scheme of things. It will never replace Ross-tech/VCDS and the user base. If everyone with a VW/Audi switched to that tool tomorrow, it may still take a decade for people to understand and use it properly.
Ross-tech has been around since 1999, everyone with a VW/Audi uses their cable. Everyone shares information and does DIY for that specific program.
You’re giving us a ton of push back for trying to tell you what the intelligent choice is, you aren’t going to find anything any better with this other scan tool, other than you can carry it around in your glove box. To be honest you could get a cheap (less than $100) windows 8 tablet and a used Ross-tech cable and also throw that in your glove box. You don’t actually need a laptop for VCDS. I think you should check out Ross-techs forum and see how some guys use the cable version and WIFI version.
We really don’t care what you do, but I think we will save you some time, money, and frustration if you just go with what works instead of being a guinea pig. It’s definitely your choice though.
I can appreciate that. There is a tried and true tool that the community has experience with so it seems like a logical choice - I’m good with that, too. I was just asking if anyone had any first-hand experience with the new device. The answer, so far, has been no - and that means that it can not be ruled out 100% by the content of this thread. So I have a choice, be safe or continue to do some research if I’m still interested in the Foxwell. I took slight offense to the comments that seemed to call someone stupid for even considering anything else, which is pretty silly. I’d argue that someone who didn’t gather all of the facts before spending ANY money at all, would be the ignorant one.
I could very well end up with VCDS. I’m going to compare the competition first and there has been zero information in this thread to help me generate pros/cons of the new device.
I said that I trust rosstech , and it’s basically the cheapest option since resale is so great. One of your big pluses about the new thing is that it is cheap. So I addressed the fact that Ross tech if you buy used and sell it down the line, is really cheap. Almost free. Euro showed the new version of rosstech is actually everything you want.
You shot back calling us all ignorant and blindly loyal. What a fucking asshole thing to say.
Then I said buying something else just in case it’s good makes very little sense. We already know vagcom is good, and as I mentioned, cost is not as big a hurdle as you might think.
I then compared it to buying a 2.25" exhaust which might be good… But why bother when I know the 2.75" IS good, and I made that purchase based on my results and testing. Sure 2.25 might be better but why ignore an excellent option just in case?
Then you questioned me and said I was guessing about those results and based my decision on clairvoyance? Again what a fucking asshole.
That’s when you started to get some abrasive responses…and even then they weren’t nearly as bad as yours. Because you acted like an asshole. You questioned my integrity, intimating I just bought 2.75 and guessed and have no basis for an opinion??
Then I show you my process and testing and you say I’m patting myself on the back and bragging??
I’m not patting myself on the fucking back. I’m showing you that I tested the hell out of the car when it was stock and laid down what turned out to be the best ever stock time for an rs4. Not to pat myself on the back you idiot…to show that even against the toughest possible stock benchmark my MODDED results proved the concept of buying a jhm 2.75" full exhaust to have significant gains over that benchmark. Bragging about having a fast stock time is hardly worth bragging about, unless it’s to jab a buddy or something. Not at all what I was doing here.
Try reading the fucking screen. Actually try reading the Audizine screen.
P. S. I didn’t give myself that inconvenient truths title. The site owner put it on there.
Well I take back my apology. You’re a self-aggrandizing prick. And you do post ALL the time about some stupid record. I guess if that’s your only accomplishment in life, you should brag about it. It does NOT make all you say gospel and I’d tend to doubt anything coming from your mouth, at this point, as you’ve displayed the ability to skew any argument to match your assumptions - exactly the type of person you DON’T listen to.
Have you used this new product? No. Are you blindly suggesting something else? Yes.
As far as asshole things to say. Railroading someone, insisting that there is NO WAY this product could even compare when you have NO experience with it…ignoring the fact that I stated I would not resell whatever device I purchased (It would stay with the car, so this derails your resale argument). That, bud…is an asshole.
What actual information have you provided besides trying to swing your ego-laden time slip around.
Just so you can get a life-lesson from this thread. The correct thing to say would have been either nothing or, “I don’t have any experience with it but I like VCDS, which has a good track record.”. Let me know when you need help generating any replies to other threads without using your time-slip, I’m good at it.
Just buy the $200 Foxwoods tool to save a little cash, because that is what you want to do. Then test it next to VCDS and give everyone the comparison you want so badly.
You pretty much have zero experience with either option…and no one fucking owns the fox well tool, what does that tell you?
Buy it, test it, you’ll be one of the only people with it so good luck having a user base to share info with. You’ll realize you should have just listened and you’ll have a Rosstech cable in a month.
Again we don’t really care, it’s your money.
Next time you start a thread you should say…
“I’m going to start a discussion about a scan tool that no one has and I don’t want any opinions or an actual discussion at all. I want everyone to say “try it out” because it is cheaper and congratulate me for thinking outside of the box.”
I’m sorry this wasn’t clear enough of a question for you guys:
“Anyone know how well this stacks up? Seems a little more friendly and they mention being able to run various diagnostic tests (flap position test?). Not to mention, it’s less expensive.”
Anyone KNOW how well this stacks up? If the answer is no, then say no. Don’t read between the lines and try to make it more complicated than it needs to be.
lol at the guy who is trying to save 100 bucks on his RS4.
Good luck Jeff. You and quattroRS4/mariomolliere/paidshill for PES/scam artist with 4 usernames and multiple classified ad scams/your best boy are made for each other.
The best part is Jeff is not only cheap as fuck, he’s as dumb as a rock too. He is trying to save money for a basic scan tool so he can read/scan codes and have a basic scan tool. You can get that for $30 at any parts store, or you can get a $20 bluetooth dongle and pay $5 for the torque app.
But yeah, buy the $200 thing to ‘save’ money.
As for logging with that cheap piece of shit, good luck. Of course you probably don’t need to log with your racing motorsports pedigree. You just touch the car and it tells you how it’s running. The rest of us need some reasonable computing power to run logs on our cars. The likes of which that piece of junk won’t do. I can’t wait to watch you observe the ‘live datastream’ on that 2" screen lolol.
You sound like a jilted woman - Stretch the story, pull from other threads with nothing do to with this and make shit up all to try to prove a point… you mad? And of course, you sound like you’re an expert on what it will NOT do now…and you still haven’t touched one. You’re a moron. Oh wait, you hold some meaningless record, I’ll believe anything you say. Fuck off.
It’s so apparent that you’re blind to anyone else being correct about anything. You clearly do not know what you are talking about, as the device has already been proven to do a lot more than a basic scan tool…but you like to make it seem like I’m wrong by making shit up? I’ve seen your type before, little-man syndrome is what we call it.
Read, actually READ the links that I posted to get educated, if that’s even possible.
you keep talking about my stock RS4 1/4 mile record for some reason…I posted it to show you that you’re an asshole. You claimed I made an opinion about buying my RS4 exhaust from JHM by clairvoyance, and not by testing. I showed you that you’re wrong and showed you the process I went through.
I did such extensive testing because I realised that most RS4 drivers were guys like you…carbon buildup blamers who can’t drive for shit. So i didn’t trust that the RS4 runs 13.3 @ 105, and I went to see for myself. Turns out it doesn’t.
Wrong. I stated that your exhaust example was not the same and I used my own example…
"You should try to use a more appropriate scenario. So you have some racing wheels. They have never bent and served you well until one day you rack them up. There is new brand of wheels out that are half the price of your old ones and seemingly the same specs. Now…you might just get the wheels that you had before because you know them well but you cant convince me for a second that the fact that your old wheels work well for you means that you automatically know that the new wheels don’t have any advantages.
If you’ve accomplished this type of clairvoyance - can you come to Florida and buy me a lottery ticket?"
You’re a god in my eyes…and your own, apparently. And everyone that cant pull a 12 cant drive for shit.
