I just asked if anyone had any actual experience because all I know at this point is, what I don’t know. Ignorance (even if it is backed up with a tried and true product) is blindly accepting that a new product is inferior, when you’ve never seen the new product to be able to compare it. You can call it loyalty if you like but even blind loyalty is…ignorant.
That said, I’m not excited about blazing a trail and if I cant find anyone else with experience with it, I’ll probably lean VCDS anyway but I’m still googling to see if anyone has done a comparison.
Get yourself an open element intake on your RS4 while you’re at it. None of us do that either. What do we know?
Oh, and try a 2.25" exhaust.
And a tune that changes nothing but throttle and timing levels while raising the rev limiter.
That’s what none of us do. We’re just boring…doing the same succesful things.
p.s. speaking of ignorance aren’t you one of the guys sticking up for the fucking liar scam artist in the turbo thread? Dude, shake the cobwebs out. I thought it was funny when you said ‘if he says he’s going to sell the kit, I will call him out’. He said that like 6 fucking pages ago. Read the whole thread, then look into this guy’s history. Then ask yourself…“Is this what I stand for?”
I didn’t test a 2.25" exhaust for my RS4 before buying my 2.75" exhaust. Nobody did. I saw results for 2.75" exhaust, and bought it.
So maybe 2.25" is better, and I am just being a boring dinosaur who doesn’t try new things. Same goes for open element intake…nobody has tested it on an RS4.
However common sense says that this thing here works extremely well (2.75, stock airbox etc) and doing so is a no brainer. Same goes for buying a used Ross Tech VAGCOM for $250-275 bucks, almost all of which you will get back when you sell the cable used one day. Sure there might be others out there, but why bother.
But I’m counting on you. Step up and get that open element intake and exhaust.
Now you’re just bending the facts to support your conclusion. You saw results from the 2.75’? To see results, you must have had some kind of baseline to compare it to? Also you have historical data from the majority of any motorsport you can choose that will tell you that a better flowing exhaust will be a huge help to an NA V8.
Trying to have a civil, objective, technical conversation is getting increasingly difficult these days.
You should try to use a more appropriate scenario. So you have some racing wheels. They have never bent and served you well until one day you rack them up. There is new brand of wheels out that are half the price of your old ones and seemingly the same specs. Now…you might just get the wheels that you had before because you know them well but you cant convince me for a second that the fact that your old wheels work well for you means that you automatically know that the new wheels don’t have any advantages.
If you’ve accomplished this type of clairvoyance - can you come to Florida and buy me a lottery ticket?
lol you’re grasping at straws. You also don’t seem to know who you’re talking to. I’m not some dummy who followed the crowd. I saw results, yes.
I did exhaustive (pardon the pun) stock testing on my 2008 RS4. I did dozens of 3k-8k pulls, PBOX testing, and numerous dragstrip passes. I set the RS4 1/4 mile record at 12.75@108.36 in good conditions, after about 30-40 passes while stock. I had 10 other passes within a tenth of that, and 5 others within 0.05 seconds. That was a formidable benchmark against which to measure modified RS4s, as that was only a tenth and 2 MPH away from the fastest PES supercharged RS4 to that point lol, and of course faster than any other stock RS4 owner, faster than any periodical test etc.
The data I saw from cars with JHM’s 2.75" exhaust setups showed excellent 1/4 mile acceleration gains, and sound was incredible from the JHM system, so I bought it. I then tested my own car when I installed mine, and ran 12.51 @ 110.5 MPH…no other changes, same NHRA track, same DA and same type of conditions as when I set my stock record.
This is not clairvoyance. This is actual testing of the defacto standard acceleration test at the same NHRA track with the same driver and same conditions. But hey, maybe 2.25" is better. So…step up!
can you log with the new thing? I would doubt the capabilities would be anywhere near a computer for logging. With my vagcom, that’s the most important feature. Not scanning codes. You can get a 20 dollar bluetooth dongle to do stuff like that using the torque or many other apps.
There’s an established, reliable, excellent performing option. For the same net cost. Yet you want the unproven one that appears to be worse at first glance.
Again, go test it, go try it. While you’re at it, go test the 2.25" exhaust. Go test the open intake. Let us know how it goes.
I believe I’ve seen it tested on the UK forums once. At least that (knock off) carbon intake which is basically an open cone filter with a pretty heat absorbing cover.
IIRC the loss was somewhere in the range of 6 horsepower or so. Nothing you’d really notice but a loss regardless. Dyno conditions are usually challenged for airflow so maybe in real life motoring along at 50mph the loss would largely disappear. But I don’t think there can be any gains. Because when the “power flap” opens on the stock intake it’s doing nearly the same thing.
Maybe an open filter element could “feel” a bit peppier because
a) more sound
b) raising intake temps whilst driving slowly the throttle can be less restricted when you do get on it.
With the exhaust the issue is more the fact that there is no properly engineered aftermarket exhaust that measures 2.25. If someone did make one that included an X crossover in the right spot and straight through mufflers then we could test the pipe diameter theory but alas we can’t.
I can’t find much on it the point others are making is that you will be getting a discount on something that nobody really knows how well or how in depth it works or has the ability to work.
Ross tech is a power house and your paying for what they know and the support there able to provide. Sorry I couldn’t be more helpful. If this is helping to me and I would think lots of guys like me. Let’s say you decided to take the blind jump on this. You could say it does almost the same thing as the Ross tech cable. And if I needed to get another cable I would still get the Ross tech cable.
buy used Rosstech for $250
use it for 3 years till you sell the car
sell Rosstech for $200 at WORST
cost = $-50
The other option?
Buy unproven thing with shit computing power that likely can’t log for shit. $200
Use it for 3 years, sell it for who knows what. Likely half of the retail price, since the wholesale distributors need a margin.
Total cost $-100.
Or the other (more likely) option
Buy unproven thing for $200
Use for 3 months and regret it
Sell for $100
Buy used Rosstech for $250
use for 3 years
Sell for $200
Total cost $-150
That’s very true. You would be paying to figure out if it worked and if you got stuck on something you wouldn’t be able to get ugh help from the majority. If you ran into am issue with a toss tech cable trying to log or recode something you have like a ton of guys who can help because they have the same tool
That’s exactly why I asked. I cant find much info on it. I’m not saying one is better but I am saying, clearly and undeniably (the same thing that others are saying) is that if you don’t have experience with it they cant POSSIBLY tell me they are making an educated suggestion on why or why not to use it. Maybe I should have started this with “if you don’t know, don’t comment”?
Why certain people have to get so butt-hurt and abrasive, I’ll never understand. I guess when you cant steam-roll someone with your uneducated “opinion”, you just remind them that you have a track record and that should be enough. Saki must have an arm ache from patting himself on the back so frequently.
Really? I’m far from sticking up for him. Keep grasping at straws man, you’re obviously the forum king of inconvenient truths, as you say. The inconvenient truth here is that you can prove your point and you’ve once again whipped out the “I have a record” line.
Many of us have plenty of life and motorsports accomplishments but we don’t hinge our credibility on them and bring them up when they have absolutely no relevance, just to make us feel better.
Jeff, take a step back and realize we are offering you advice and our OPINION on why this “new scan tool” is hardly worth it in the grand scheme of things. It will never replace Ross-tech/VCDS and the user base. If everyone with a VW/Audi switched to that tool tomorrow, it may still take a decade for people to understand and use it properly.
Ross-tech has been around since 1999, everyone with a VW/Audi uses their cable. Everyone shares information and does DIY for that specific program.
You’re giving us a ton of push back for trying to tell you what the intelligent choice is, you aren’t going to find anything any better with this other scan tool, other than you can carry it around in your glove box. To be honest you could get a cheap (less than $100) windows 8 tablet and a used Ross-tech cable and also throw that in your glove box. You don’t actually need a laptop for VCDS. I think you should check out Ross-techs forum and see how some guys use the cable version and WIFI version.
We really don’t care what you do, but I think we will save you some time, money, and frustration if you just go with what works instead of being a guinea pig. It’s definitely your choice though.
I can appreciate that. There is a tried and true tool that the community has experience with so it seems like a logical choice - I’m good with that, too. I was just asking if anyone had any first-hand experience with the new device. The answer, so far, has been no - and that means that it can not be ruled out 100% by the content of this thread. So I have a choice, be safe or continue to do some research if I’m still interested in the Foxwell. I took slight offense to the comments that seemed to call someone stupid for even considering anything else, which is pretty silly. I’d argue that someone who didn’t gather all of the facts before spending ANY money at all, would be the ignorant one.
I could very well end up with VCDS. I’m going to compare the competition first and there has been zero information in this thread to help me generate pros/cons of the new device.
I said that I trust rosstech , and it’s basically the cheapest option since resale is so great. One of your big pluses about the new thing is that it is cheap. So I addressed the fact that Ross tech if you buy used and sell it down the line, is really cheap. Almost free. Euro showed the new version of rosstech is actually everything you want.
You shot back calling us all ignorant and blindly loyal. What a fucking asshole thing to say.
Then I said buying something else just in case it’s good makes very little sense. We already know vagcom is good, and as I mentioned, cost is not as big a hurdle as you might think.
I then compared it to buying a 2.25" exhaust which might be good… But why bother when I know the 2.75" IS good, and I made that purchase based on my results and testing. Sure 2.25 might be better but why ignore an excellent option just in case?
Then you questioned me and said I was guessing about those results and based my decision on clairvoyance? Again what a fucking asshole.
That’s when you started to get some abrasive responses…and even then they weren’t nearly as bad as yours. Because you acted like an asshole. You questioned my integrity, intimating I just bought 2.75 and guessed and have no basis for an opinion??
Then I show you my process and testing and you say I’m patting myself on the back and bragging??
I’m not patting myself on the fucking back. I’m showing you that I tested the hell out of the car when it was stock and laid down what turned out to be the best ever stock time for an rs4. Not to pat myself on the back you idiot…to show that even against the toughest possible stock benchmark my MODDED results proved the concept of buying a jhm 2.75" full exhaust to have significant gains over that benchmark. Bragging about having a fast stock time is hardly worth bragging about, unless it’s to jab a buddy or something. Not at all what I was doing here.
Try reading the fucking screen. Actually try reading the Audizine screen.
P. S. I didn’t give myself that inconvenient truths title. The site owner put it on there.
