Hi All. Owner of the RS4 with the AMD S/C base kit checking in.

Oil leak…why wasn’t it addressed…

1.before the supercharger was installed?
2.while AMD was all over the backside of the motor installing a new clutch and custom downpipes?

…that just doesn’t make sense to me, I’m not a shop owner or a professional technician, but any logical individual would say “hey customer, let me take care of this oil leak and any other minor issues with the car before I install our supercharger kit and begin pushing the motor” I really have no dog in this fight…no RS4 yet, but this is one of those things that makes AMD look bad, unless you specifically said “don’t touch the oil leak”…which to be honest wouldn’t make a damn bit of sense either.

Still, good luck with everything and I really do hope your car is successful at the strip.

Exactly. It’s a six month old issue so amd knew and you knew there was something wrong.

But rather than even glancing at it during 20 hours of install time for the $12,000 in parts amd are selling you, amd thought naaah we won’t bother. Bring it back in a few weeks and we will look.

Before we address your oil problem though (because everyone knows major oil consumption issues are always good to ignore on these 4.2 cars) let’s send you off to do some dyno pulls and videos and races and build threads on every audi forum on earth lol.

Awesome!

This is no conspiracy theory. This is simply you getting a little fresh perspective

Go post this time line on quattrofail. Amd is is a sponsor there so nobody will say shit. They, like you, will pat Jason on the back for his superman diagnostic powers.

Go post it on Audizine. Nobody will notice lol.

Go post it on rs246. Someone may find it odd and will address it (as long as they realise this is amd USA not amd uk).

But post it on this site and you will DEFINITELY be called out.

lol more conspiracy theories…

I am in no way trying to start a conspiracy or contribute to one…I think what I said was completely logical

Be honest, you made some good points in the PSI vs PSI discussion…wouldn’t you make sure a car was 100% as far as maintenance and small issues were concerned (such as an oil leak) before putting your company’s initial production supercharger on it? This very small test group of cars are going to make or break the program, so slapping a supercharger on a car with issues (even small ones) and not making sure that car is at 100% performance and a prime candidate to show your products true performance and gains, well that just doesn’t make any type of business sense

logical observations…do not always equal conspiracies

This is so fail. Rs4per isn’t up front he isn’t honest. This is a… oh Ive been a nice guy in an attempt to make this look more ligit… BUT now I have to leave because my supercharger has caused some issues with my motor and I don['t want to stay here and deal with it… Who knows what RS4per has been told who knows how much he knows or dosn’t know. What is clear is he is deeply vested into this and clealy isn’t non bias as he has attampted to look

Lets point some obvious stuff out.

he went to the dyno and then went back again for some before and after tests… never posted any of them saying he was letting all the data to be gathered… if that was the case why would he need a retune…

[quote=RS4PER] I haven’t coordinated the reschedule of the final tweak/dyno yet.
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Even Quattro fail and its members saw right threw the super reduced dyno numbers at AMD in an attempt to make the supercharger kit finial dyno numbers look good.

[quote=RS4PER](Endless thread on QW about ‘what’s wrong with your car?!?’ which I don’t really care about as Jason confirmed it’s within normal range of results on his dyno. Again, all up, I just want a baseline and then measure improvement).
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So… JAson dynoed his car and says even tho is quite low its ok… but the people on Quattrofail notice how its clearly wrong and so do we… as its obvious… Or there is something wrong with his car…MORE AMD offness

NOW apparently the results he got are not going to be the finial results because he needs a retune… Tweak and then another dyno… This is the same thing we called out from the get go… No data because its BS Data… NO track times because 12 second 1/4 mile on this hyped up AMD kit is a loss…

But wait… there is more…

PULLING THE MOTOR FOR AN OIL LEAK… No… you don’t pull a motor for a oil leak.

AFTER… RS4per has had his car at AMD FOR MONTHS getting the kit installed… and after AMD needed to pull the intake manifold and DO ALL KINDS OF intence labor… They just NOW found out he needed to adress his oil leak on the back of his motor… Not during the clutch install… when the back of the motor is completly exposed…LEt me repeat the part where Rs4Per had a clutch install. That requires you get to see the entire back of the motor WITH NOTHING ON IT…AMD didn’t fix it then… but now… its an issue… RIGHT… ::slight_smile:

For fun lets show a picture of the back of the motor in the car when you in stall a clutch

http://www.vdubn.com/audi/04s4/engine.JPG

WOW you can see every part of the back of the motor… IF there was a leak you woeuld be able to see if it was an issue.

What seems to make more sense is… The AMD kit with no testing has caused enough damage to the car that it required the motor to be pulled… No data… just more excuses…Lets for the sake of conversation say that there is an oil leak… I don’t know one person who has an oil leak on the back of hte motor and has to pull the motor to fix it. Its either incompendence or more lies… Lets face is RS4per has been nice but not so muich helpful. He keeps saying we are lieing or spreading lies… ok prove us wrong… No… insted he is going to blame the site for not letting him tyope be nifits as his last straw… No I see this as… OH shit AMD fucked up my car and now Im going to catch hell… Time to run

RS4per has been nice. That dosen’t mean he has been honest… MAybe he is being 100% honest as far as he knows. let face it someone has been feeding him information. At this point almost eveything that has sounded shaddy from that shop has been from what people tell us they have been told by the shop owner…

http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=1733.0

UM thats what B7 RS4’s dyno on a normal reading mustang dyno… Sorry your so but hurt that your car is piss slow stock and only makes in the 200awhp after spending 70k LMFAo

Where is your bitch at to cry troll? Because this is the definition. Do you even understand what this thread is about or are you here simply to talk out your ass and further avoid running your car at the strip?

Are you high?..

He was asking where your mom Corbett is. Anyway these will soon be moved to their own thread in the war room.
Lots of people used the report button on 8nothings post.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=537685

Mistro just post the info. Especially when that thread is destined to be locked down for flamery, then deleted once audizoo figures out amd is using guerrilla advertising lol

[QUOTE]OK - my car is done. 100% final setup with the AMD Base Kit install.

Base kit = baby kit = Stage .9 = Low Pressure Kit (I’ll leave it to Jason to confirm actual/final name). It is the first of 3 stages that will eventually all be available. The next two are in development, and sorry for the tease, but - - there is plenty more ‘go’ coming. I witnessed it myself today!

What did I pay for the kit and what comes with it?
All hardware and software, installed at AMD for $10,750. I believe if you install elsewhere, you’d need to add install (12-14 hours?). Kit uses the TVS1900 blower, runs a 115mm pulley, and boost is around 9-10 psi. Note: this base kit does NOT upgrade any fuel pumps, and does NOT add any additional cooling / radiators over stock. The next stages from AMD include both upgraded fuel pumps and cooling.

What’s included with software aside from more go? Launch control and flat shift. :slight_smile:

Why did I chose AMD? For me, I evaluated the following criteria 1) Value ($/whp gained), 2) Ease of entry (financial), 3) Future upgrade potential without ripping everything out, and 4) Local tuner.

For me here in the US, it was really between the APR kit and this one, and AMD won out because of my criteria. The $/whp gained comparison, goes as follows: at the time I looked, and still today, APR kit is advertised at $15k. I’ve heard you can get install included, but it doesn’t say so anywhere. Still - giving the benefit of the doubt, let’s say it’s included. Looking at the site and dyno chart here, you look to gain 126whp over stock with their kit on 93 octane (we get 92 in Seattle). That’s $15k/126 = $119/whp gain. From day 1 of talking with AMD, it was clear the base kit would get around 100-120whp. I knew this going in. So, let’s be conservative again and say 100. $10,750/100 = $107.50/whp gain. Criteria 2-4 were also all in favor of AMD, and in the end probably a bit more important to me than this first one. (Note: actual $/whp gained turns out to be $94/whp for the base kit). Please also note: I give full props to APR. Seems like they have a great product with proven results. It just didn’t fit my criteria as well as AMD’s offering. Peace.

http://www.perfarnyphotography.com/RS4/AMD-Super-Charger/i-F2TBSCd/0/O/Per_compare.jpg

Dyno details: chart is from AMD dyno (Mustang), all corrected numbers. You see 3 runs which reflects the history of my car: stock, then with DP’s and software, then the S/C results. I still run my stock catback, btw, so likely leaving a little bit on the table. I took it to a local shop that uses a Dynojet also to see differences. This was before we were done with the tune. At the time, we were hitting ~385whp on the Mustang (corrected) vs the 414 we ended up with. At the Dynojet, it read ~410whp corrected at the time. So - a delta of 25whp. At any rate - - for those who want to gauge the neighborhood of power the products are in - - you can probably add 25whp to the results I got on the Mustang, to equate to Dynojet results? 414+25 = 439. As my stock corrected read 282, and APR’s results show the more commonly referenced 312 (30whp difference), that kind of makes sense to me. Whatever…not sure it’s worth doing that comparison, better to focus on whp gained, IMO.

The 414 represented above was one of 4 runs. Others were 408, 416, 417.

Where’s the 1/4 mile result??? Sorry, haven’t been there. I’d like to see how it does, and I’m sure will get the chance in the coming months. I know many are dying to see those numbers. You get 2 chances a month here basically to hit the strip, and my schedule is not cooperating.

What’s it like to drive? Instant power, that never goes away until you shift. It’s a completely different car. On top of that, drivability is perfect. You can be smooth and quiet and put around town if you’re so inclined or just hammer it and get instant response. Super happy with my results :slight_smile:

Anyway - there you have it. I think I’ve included everything :wink:
I’m happy to answer any questions if you have them.

Cheers,
Per
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Axel has already started the war in AZ lol.
He has a very good point that AMD supercharger for RS4 makes the same power as the JHM sc for the s4.
Which JHM stg1 sc is maxed out for stock internals plus under tuned to keep it reliable. But the AMD maxed out the power in their sc before the internals are even close to their limits.
Can’t wait for JHM sc to come out just to put these guys to shame.

Is it the blower, or is it the tuning? It doesn’t make sense that size of blower can’t produce.

Never mind that the jhm kit is what… 6 psi? And the amd kit is 10 lol

Dyno to dyno is kinda useless, but amd foolishly chose the dyno as their 'proof '. Well that’s not true… They took the car to the dragstrip and it flopped. So they’re instead doing this bullshit with their customer doing the sneaky marketing on a forum where they can’t advertise.

I guess we can’t forget the race video they posted of the high boost kit racing a 13 second 370z…or the other video of the low boost kit where it raced a stockish rs4 and put the same gap as a jhm tune and bolt ons car.

Here’s the side by side comparison in case anyone missed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz8lO2aLwXs

I noticed on another forum comparisons were made between our kit and the AMD kit using only peak figures, so I responded with this:

Here are our numbers vs AMD’s numbers. I’ve also included the gain over each companies stock figures. Our stock figures do not show a large jump around 5500 RPM like AMDs, so the delta before that point is much higher all things considered.

If we want to discuss % for creating a comparison between our two dyno’s differences in reporting stock figures, it’s not a flat percentage at all. It our dyno reads higher torque in the lower RPM range and much closer to AMD’s numbers in the higher RPM range.

Here’s a raw comparison of horsepower, stock an modified from each company. The gain charts indicate they make nearly identical HP over stock towards redline.

http://www.goapr.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/compare.jpg

is it just me…or does it look like EPL couldn’t deal with the stock torque limiter (throttle limiter)?

I wonder if we could get RS4per to log throttle valve angle in group 003 for us lol

That’s very interesting. That Blue delta line is all over the map. Almost as inconsistent as Mick’s lies about his quarter mile times.

To the ignorantly uneducated that graph reads “AMD and APR are about equal”

To the educated enthusiast it reads “AMD are a bunch of lying thieves”

I think that on a power basis, they are pretty equal. Within 25 whp either way, depending on how good or bad one’s dyno numbers are.

People are forgetting the facts real equick.

1. APR dyno’d with stock 2.50-2.36" downpipes with 4 catalytic converters and 2.36" catback, ; AMD had 3" downpipes and no catsWhen JHM showed their 12.40 @ 111 quarter mile run 2 years ago, all of quattroworld went APE SHIT because it was a catless exhaust, thus was not representative of reality blah blah blah…and that a huge amount of the gain is from the cats deleted. Nobody said SHIT when AMD posted this catless dyno vs. stock with 4 cats.

2. AMD is using a TVS 1900 blower that is 44% LARGER THAN THE APR BLOWER! (TVS1320)

3. APR went 11.8 @ 119: This AMD kit hasn’t shown shit. However the big boost $15,000 version did…and it went low fucking 12s.

4. the AMD kit put 3 car lengths on a stock Rs4. So did a tune/exhaust RS4 put 3 car lengths on my 12.75 @ 108 RS4. The APR kit put 3 buslengths on a sorted stage III B5 S4 lol.

This AMD kit is so far turning out to be a fucking disaster. When you have a beta tester selling the kit on the forums, and losers like Mickf29 coming out of RS4 retirement to support the kit, you know it is a shitshow.

BOTTOM LINE - if you’re buying a fucking TVS1900 kit, you don’t think your dyno charts are going to line up favourably with a TVS1320 kit!