p31 on a c63 N/A gives you forged rods and pistons. there are a lot of n/a c63’s making 700whp on stock cast pistons and rods non p31 cars so the stuff mb uses is good. PP on a new 5.5tt gives you forged rods and knife edged crank. the stock pistons on the TT cars are forged
Had to bump this considering the new C63 test mule has been spotted and its expected that they will stuff the V8TT into this thing as well. With a lighter chasis and of course the same modification as the E/CLS setups that are currently running crazy times, this could make for an epic little car!
[quote]Heavily disguised prototypes for the next-generation Mercedes-Benz C Class are already out in testing, so it’s not unreasonable to assume engineers are also working on the eventual high-performance AMG variant.
Today we have spy shots of what’s tipped to be the next C63 AMG, which should join the rest of the new C Class range in showrooms in late 2014 or early the following year.
Key details that suggest this in fact the AMG version of the new C Class sedan are the big brake calipers, finished in bright red, cross-drilled discs, AMG-specific alloys and what appear to be slightly wider bumpers and fenders. The exhaust tips are only temporary units and will likely be swapped out later for AMG’s quad-pipe design with trapezoidal tips.
Hidden beneath the sheet metal of this prototype will be the new model’s powertrain, which is expected to switch to AMG’s latest twin-turbocharged 5.5-liter V-8 instead of the current model’s naturally-aspirated 6.2-liter V-8. The smaller engine, which develops up to 571 horsepower in some guises, is not only more powerful than the old 6.2-liter mill, but also produces significantly more low-end torque and is more fuel-efficient to boot.
In the new C63 AMG, expect output to at least match the 457 horsepower of the current model. While fans may be hoping for more power, performance should still be improved thanks to a lighter overall structure. Like the 2013 SL Class, the new C Class will almost certainly benefit from plenty of aluminum–and perhaps some composite–structures in its construction.
Of course, a Black Series variant is likely to be launched further down the track to quell the demands of the power-hungry. A coupe variant and possibly a new convertible version will eventually be launched as well.
Drive will be sent strictly to the rear wheels for all models, either via a seven-speed automatic or dual-clutch transmission (we’re expecting the latter). An AMG DRIVE UNIT will allow owners to modify many of the vehicle’s settings, from the speed of gear shifts to the suspension stiffness.
As we are still in the very early stages of development many of the details may change as we approach the car’s debut in late 2014, so stay tuned for updates.
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Still lots of speculation on the engine, and no facts yet.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see the smaller 4.5? turbo V8 from the 550 cars, making 475/450 like they do. Maybe with rods.
I like the spy pics how they made the front look like an ugly BMW
I like the miss match wheels.
I can see people starting this trend of mismatched wheels just to be different :’(
I recall some guy on AZ who had different wheels on either side of his car, I believe it was to advertise for his wheel business
I wouldn’t be able to handle it. I am way too OCD.
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AWD only for the E63 in North America as of next year’s facelifted 2014 model. That’s excellent news.
They found it was faster with the 4matic system than without (no shit Mercedes…welcome to Audi 1981). To that end, if they can position it as performance enhancing rather than strictly for making the car sellable to people like me in snowy Ontario, they can conceivably justify it in other AMG sedans like the C63 maybe.
Good news. With the power these cars are now making, AWD is inevitably going to be required to tame the cars. Good to see it starting to spread.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-mercedes-benz-e63-amg-first-ride-review
Interesting news. Just figuring out which organs to sell to get an E63 AWD wagon. LOL.
What are they here, around $110,000?
edit: just looked. $99,700 which comes loaded
the performance package includes carbon fibre trim inside and out, 32 extra hp in the tune, nicer wheels.
Performance package is $9,000 though…so tough call.
Why are their cars SO fugly? This is a cross between a dodge charger from the front and a lexus ES from the rear.
I am not totally sure how I feel about this, could sure give audi a run for their money with the AMG mite paired with an AWD system although I would think quattro is superior as is.
[quote]Mercedes-Benz is going to introduce the refreshed 2014 E-Class this January at the Detroit Show. That of course means a new E63 AMG is coming, both sedan and wagon. We love cars of that nature. We also noticed a couple of things when we tested the wildly excellent Audi S8 last month. One is that its 4.0-liter, twin-turbo V-8 made around 575 horsepower (we stuck it on a dyno) and not 520 hp, as Audi claims. The other is that AWD makes a whole lot of sense in a near-600-hp sedan. And the S8 wasn’t the first time we noticed the performance advantage AWD has over RWD in two-ton-plus sedans. When we pitted the AWD Porsche Panamera GTS against the RWD BMW M5, there was only a 0.1-second difference in the 0-60 time, despite near identical vehicle weights and the M5’s 130 horsepower advantage over the Porsche. Moreover, the GTS was able to keep up with the M5 on twisty roads because of its traction advantage. We’re obviously not the only folks noticing this trend, as AMG CEO Ola Kaellenius invited yours truly down to get a preview of the new E63 AMG 4Matic. Yup, for the first time ever, a non-SUV AMG product will come complete with AWD. And I got a day in the passenger seat. 2014 Mercedes Benz E63 AMG 4Matic Development Mule Rear Three Quarter “We didn’t just use Mercedes’ all-wheel-drive system. That wouldn’t work for AMG.” So said Ola a few days earlier at a sit down in our office. “Yeah,” chimed in Tobias Moers, the refreshingly blunt head of AMG Vehicle Development. “We completely reengineered 4Matic to make it work for us.” The biggest difference between regular 4Matic and the AMG version is a permanent torque split. In the Mercedes version, the standard split is 45/55 front/rear. However, if conditions change, torque can be moved to the wheels that are losing grip, from 30/70 to 70/30. Not so with the AMG version. Torque is cut 33/67 front to back, and that’s how it stays. There are two main reasons why this is. One is that AMG is first and foremost a performance company. The second – and this ties into the first – is that by removing all three of the electronically locking clutches and reducing the size of the rear half-shafts, the AWD E63’s weight only goes up by 132 pounds, according to AMG. A pretty impressive achievement if true – we’ll weigh it as soon as we can and let you know. The last E63 sedan we weighed checked in at 4347 pounds, meaning the AWD version could be as “light” as 4479 pounds, not much more than the RWD M5 (4406 pounds) if AMG is right. Also, Ola and Tobias did little more than smile at me when I asked, but I think we can infer that the next S63 will be AWD as well. The S65 will remain RWD.
I was given the rare opportunity for a ridealong in two of the three camouflaged pre-production 2014 E63 AMG 4Matic mules that currently exist. In fact, after myself and a few other auto-journo types were done, AMG crated 'em both up and shipped them off to Spain for further testing. Interestingly, the two cars were dressed differently. They were initially camo’d identically, but because one car would be running around an autocross course AMG set up on the former Marine base El Toro (where we film our World’s Greatest Drag Race videos), Tobias ripped off the panels hiding the front fascia because they were blocking the radiator and the twin intercoolers. As you’ll read in a bit, the car needed them. Much to the chagrin of the AMG PR folks, this partially revealed the new, much sportier-looking AMG corporate nose. The big news is a curved front splitter they’re calling the A-Wing. (Let’s hope Disney, which just bought “Star Wars,” doesn’t sue!) In the photos it’s taped up black, but I strongly suspect that underneath it’s chromed. The A-Wing is but a small part of AMG’s new design language that we’ll first see fully implemented when the new C-Class launches in about 18 months. Rumor has it that flics will be standard! 2014 Mercedes Benz E63 AMG 4Matic Development Mule Front Three Quarter Turn 3 We set off towards the track from the unbelievably posh Montage Hotel in Laguna Beach in the silver, less disguised E63. AMG went so far as to camouflage the interior with a series of black, neoprene-like shrouds. About 20 seconds into our journey, Tobias tore off the piece covering the navigation screen. “It used to be beige,” he spit, obviously annoyed at the halfhearted effort to conceal the refreshed E-Class’s innards. “Now it’s gray.” Tobias was referring to the background color of the COMAND system. Benz must have shelled out for a more expensive video card, because the graphics in the test mule looked much sharper than in current Mercedes models. As for the rest of the interior, I didn’t look too closely (the metal vents are pretty sweet), but the unhidden steering wheel looks much more “sportive.”
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1212_2014_mercedes_benz_e63_amg_4matic_development_mule_first_look/viewall.html#ixzz2EKUMOwlC
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Mercedes just released the 0-60 time for the standard and “s” models
0-60 for standard is 3.6 seconds and 3.5 second for “s” model.
I will be very interested to see what this car tests at followed by an indicator of the 1/4 mile time
guesses?
not sure what you’re talking about?
details were just released for the new E63 4matic and the standard and “S” models are the trim levels. Sorry that was pretty vague
[quote]Ladies and gentlemen, allow us to introduce the 2014 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG 4Matic in both sedan and wagon variants. It’s best to get right to business, that being the numbers produced by the twin-turbocharged 5.5-liter V8 located in the engine bay of one of the fastest sedans in the world. The ‘base’ model gets a boost of 32 horsepower and 15 pound-feet of torque for a final output of 550 hp and 531 lb-ft. A high performance S-Model – the US-market wagon will only be an S-Model – gets even more besides, putting out 577 hp and 590 lb-ft.
The standard sedan gets from 0-to-60 miles per hour in 3.6 seconds, the S-Model sedan taking a tenth off.
All that power gets to the ground through the AMG Speedshift MCT dual-clutch transmission with Comfort, Sport, Sport+ and Manual modes. The juice is then routed through the permanent “performance-oriented” all-wheel drive signified by the 4Matic moniker, which is biased 33/67 front-to-rear. The AWD system adds just 154 pounds to the car’s weight.
Not that you’d know it, nor mind. Put to use, the standard sedan gets from 0-to-60 miles per hour in 3.6 seconds, the S-Model sedan taking a tenth off that time, the S-Model wagon matching it at 3.6 seconds. Top speed for the 550-hp sedan is an electronically-limited 155 mph, while the AMG Performance Package boosts that to an electronically-limited 186 mph. All models come with the AMG adaptive sports suspension – steel in front, air suspension in back – and electronically controlled damping and Torque Vectoring Brake system, the S-Model also gets a limited-slip rear differential.
Turning to other visceral matters, the new front face features all-LED headlights flanking the AMG twin-blade grille, those placed above the “A-wing” design element forming the lower intakes. The standard model rides on 10-spoke, 19-inch titanium gray alloys, the S-Model getting high-sheen rim flanges to set it apart. Other ways to tell the models with the extra power are their red brake calipers, high-gloss treatment on the A-wing and “S” badge on the trunk. Inside, one finds a black interior set off by contrasting gray stitching throughout, silver seat belts, flat-topped and flat-bottomed Nappa leather steering wheel with Alcantara inserts, and a 1,200-watt, 14-speaker Bang & Olufsen stereo.
We’ll have more on it from the floor of the Detroit Auto Show. For now, amuse yourself with the detailed press release below and the high-res galleries of the E-Class AMG in its two flavors.
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cool. I like having more mental german 4 door cars with AWD available to me. Not sure I want something as big as an E but hopefully this trickles down to C
The P31 package on the C63 gives the forged rods, pistons and crankshaft from the SLS AMG. It also bumps up the horsepower through ECU tuning. You can know if you’re able to tassle with a P31 car if they have the red brake calipers.
forged rods and pistons…vs. cast on the normal car? Interesting.
Hard to believe the RS4/RS5 has forged internals stock. I guess it’s required for the RPMs. Someone was explaining to me that the stress of going above 7000 RPMs to 8250 is gigantic. It’s one of those little things that makes up the pricetags on these retarded cars. AMG and M as well…they pour serious money into the cars at the factory. People who just look at engine output or a dyno and then say ‘just get a tuned 335/tuned 3.0T etc.’ I laugh.
Reality is that there’s a fortune in ‘mods’ on the RS5/C63/M3 already that would put the S5 owner (or C350 or 335i owner) into the poorhouse trying to match.
BBK? stock
Upgraded wheels? stock
Upgraded exhaust? stock
Upgraded seats? stock
Widebody? stock
Forged internals and a lightly built engine to deal with the stress of 8000-8500 RPMs (RS5 and M3)? stock.
If they’re $20,000 more than the other models, when you look at the fact that you get so much more, and ocmpare the fact it will be worth so much more when you sell the car, it’s not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. After 4 years that $20,000 will likely be a $10-12,000 gap…which means the ‘upgrade’ cost you $8,000.
If you look at the math behind what it costs to get a tune and full exhaust and wheels and big brake kit…you start to realise there’s not as much of a gap as you really thought. Not to mention the other stuff like a car with so much more presence.
I really like the E63. It’s a freaking nutjob car. There’s on in our office parking lot (6.2) and it sounds pretty serious. Hard to believe it’s a 500+ hp businessman’s sedan. Having one with AWD (and 560 hp) would be something.
AWD. E63. Wagon. Fuck. How does Merc justify bringing that over in addition to their US built SUV range vs Audi giving us either/or (cf SQ5).
If I’ve done my reading correctly, the 4matic system is all open diffs using braking at individual wheels to control slip?
Vs Haldex which uses clutch packs, computers and witchcraft.
Vs Torsen which is a torque sensing diff.
With all of the above being interrupted by ESP and the like.
they justify it by losing money (but by appeasing their customer base). It’s tough…do you make a few guys happy, or do you do the right thing financially? Audi is starting to fucking KILL IT though, financially (they sold 400,000 cars in CHINA last year…vs. 100,000 in America, 100,000 UK). They will be able to offer these superstars here even though the financials don’t make sense. Kind of a thank you. That’s what the TTRS was here. That’s what the RS4 if it comes, would be. That’s what the RS6 would be too.
I think they’re killing them off (mercedes) for us though, as far as 63 wagons. They already don’t offer the C63 here, but do in Europe.
I drove an ML63. It was fucking crazy.