[QUOTE=Wusty]I’d be willing to bet a substantial amount of money that you don’t have many friends? You’ve always thought everyone in this world is stupid and you know everything? You have a short fuse and fight with your wife A LOT? She probably hates you right? Thoughts? Am I right? Did I just read you like a book and I’ve never met you? Who you are as a person comes off loud and clear just from your posts on this forum.
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Not sure what I did to piss him off besides make fun of his butt dyno analysis.
P.S. This was private message sent to me the other night after this post:
[quote]well_armed
whatever tune you go with, just make sure you have the correct printout stored in your glovebox for bragging rights.
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Throght this was crazy funny
I have it set so that the same 6 web pages open everytime I open my browser window. The AZ B8S4 forum is one, I need to change that…not get tempted into the retardation.
LOL! Yeah, that Wutsy dude is something… Didn’t even read the APR sheet right, that was classic… Oh saw the pics of your Porsche… nice!
Wust is like the Clark Kent of West
Thanks! I decided to retire the Audi from track duty and put it back to DD duty.
I pulled the pics of the p-car from AZ, but here are a couple of the last track day. Its back in the shop right now getting full track suspension (monoballs, coilovers, etc.) Should be around 2600 lbs and barely street legal when I am done.
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Wuste in german means desert
I was really hoping google translator would say it means west lol
Reality is that he is making a pretty good point. Going from Stasis stage 1 to GIAC stage 2 or APR stage 2 would be kinda dumb unless you got some insane deal. If you paid $1500 for Stasis as Wusty did, to go APR2 or GIAC2 would mean doling out around $1500-2000. I don’t know if that’s really worth it, unless you get an APR conquest deal or something. Even then it’s a big nickel.
If we’re looking at results, the 4 fastest Stasis cars had stock cats in place (all of them had stock catbacks too) and went 12.3-12.4 @ 111-114. There are zero (0) APRS2 cars or GIAC2 cars that are quicker than 12.3-12.4 @ 111-114 with cats and on pump.
So if you’re really looking or asking the question, from a pure performance point of view: Does it make sense to switch from Stasis V2 tune to GIAC or APR stage 2, the answer from a performance basis, is looking like…no. Maybe Wusty isn’t so dumb.
If you want to debate the merits of REVO guys being your tuner, well I think the question has a completely different answer. Here’s the chart
B8 S4, pump gas, stock cats. Stasis does REALLY well. better than any other tuner frankly, other than REVO named tunes…which are now part of Stasis anyway. You might even say this list is Stasis domination…
Top 10 (different cars counted only)
REVO 4
Stasis 3
APR 3
GIAC 0
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Except that he never once cited acceleration tests to benefit the discussion.
It was dyno chart this, crank horsepower that.
That and 2 weeks ago he was calling everyone who had a brand new car and didn’t choose Stasis as their tuner, an idiot.
His entire opinion is predicated on the fact that his tuner doesn’t offer a stage 2 upgrade, and therefore the costs are not worth it to him and his “butt dyno” results. He is left out in the cold and is justifying his no-go choice because his original tuner choice is costing him too much.
I garuntee if he had an APR S1 car he wouldn’t blink at S2…gotta live with our choices.
^^^I understand all of that.
I’m just saying that ironically, he’s right. A quick look at the quarter mile chart (you cited quarter mile results in your reply to him) show that he is in fact right…that the positive delta for the stage 2 offerings vs. Stasis stage 1 isn’t really all that significant and in fact it would seem to actually FAVOUR the Stasis stage 1 car over the big guys and their stage 2 cars (when looking at documented 1/4 mile results anyway).
I just thought that was pretty funny. Lots of talk about facts in that thread, but nobody actually looked at the acceleration testing comparisons we have available to us.
The audizine 1/4 mile list is pre-historic in its format, so you can’t search or sort, but the one here on AudiRevolution makes comparisons like this very very easy.
you can also very easily import the AR database into excel if you wanted to do some analysis. if anyone needs help with that let me know
You are assuming that REVO 2 years ago and Stasis today are one and the same. It was first the 91 APR tune, than they went to 91 REVO, and now I believe its an all new file done by their new tuner.
And if you look at the fastest Stasis time of 12.442 on the most recent Stasis file, I think the argument about jumping up to Stage 2 makes sense.
I guess we shall see when I go stage 2 what it does to my HP and 1/4 times, that is before I get the TCU flash.
where did I assume that? You think I’m new here? lol
Had original stasis tune and couldn’t break into the 12’s. I knew if I wanted to run with the big boys I had no choice but to switch to APR. Hated spending the money again on another tune, but had no choice. Even if I had the new stasis tune I would pay to switch. 12.4 is not 11.8.
To argue your last statement now your comparing a 91 file to a race gas file…
I have to agree with Saki here, the Stasis and Revo Stage 1 tunes do indeed dominate the 1/4 mile list. I’m not saying by any means they are the best tuner or better than APR or GIAC but in a numbers game they are doing VERY well…
From what we have seen though is that the APR and GIAC cars are much faster 60-130 than the Stasis cars. Even Stage 1 GIAC 93 I deystored the fastest Stasis 91 on 93 on our test track.
original stasis was weaksauce for sure. 12.anything would be tough
original GIAC and APR were too though. On the 91 file, a local GIAC tuned DSG car with exhaust couldn’t beat my stock RS4 on 94 (he went 12.88-13.0 all day and I went 12.75-12.8 all day). My RS4 is a good proxy for a stock B8 S4 (I think they’re basically dead equal). The APR 91 early day results showed them struggling to get into the 12s as well. A few guys were 12.7-12.9 and that was excellent.
So I don’t think any of the original 91 tunes were all that awesome.
The new stasis though does really, really well especially considering it’s backed off from the previously aggressive REVO file.
Competition is good, that is for sure.
I go stage 2 GIAC next week, I’ll get a dyno plot soon after but 1/4 mile times will have to wait until the fall.
Super busy with the race car and wedding season.
Actually I am comparing the best Stasis had to offer for a ECU tune, with the best that was out their. if stasis offered a 93 and 100 octane file, who knows I might not have jumped ship. As I said in the original post, I wanted to run with the top fastest S4’s so Stasis was not a option anymore. I was just adding my 2cents as to why I paid another $1500 for a different tune.
True but race gas is not really something you use every day anyway so as it stands you have pump gas Apr 2 which is pretty close to pump gas stasis. That’s what auditude was pointing out Indirectly. You can run with the big boys with stasis now… Because it’s very similar to the ape and GIAC guys on pump. He more specifically referred to your stasis original 91 vs apr 2 100+ not being fair
Maybe I’m missing the point again, or you guys are missing my point. Who knows. As far as race gas goes, I use it from March till October. So for me its every day, and would be year round if I lived in florida.
Let me try to explain my original post again, then I’ll let it go. I believe Saki originally said he couldn’t understand why anyone would Spend another $1500 to buy a different tune if they already had one. Also the other tune didn’t really make you any faster, so it was a waste of money(or something like that). So here is my reply to those statements.
I went with Stasis originally because of the warranty and being “green” about other tuners. Once I did my research and found out about APR, I knew I had to switch. I knew that with Stasis, low 13’s and maybe with some LW rims and rotors on a good day high 12’s was gonna be my best. I paid $1500 for a different tune, because I wanted to be in the 11’s and I could not do this with Stasis. The best tune Stasis offered got me in the low 13’s, the best tune APR offered (with other add ons that Stasis does not offer) got me into the 11’s. So my comparison is the best Stasis offers, against the best APR offers. I know its not fair because its 91 vs. 100 ecu tunes, but its what I based my decision to switch on. LIke i said if stasis offered a 100oct tune, a pulley, and a CPS system, then it probably would not make sense to switch and pay another $1500. So once again, I’m not comparing the individual tune, but whats offered overall by the tuners. Hopefully this clears things up, if not…I give up! LOL!