Good morning guys!!! I’m new over here, but been over at Audizine for a couple years. Just like to say hello and chime in on tunes. I’ve driven GIAC, APR, and EPL. All stage 2. And, my opinion it comes down to ease of getting to a dealer and price. I drive all 3 nearly back to back and couldn’t tell with certainty any difference in either. Now, dyno numbers and track times will prob be slightly different. Dunno. But, If you are going with just stage 2 gas files, then any will do will make you very happy. If you plan on going full e85 fuel or double pulley with either gas or alcohol, then EPL may be a bit better option. They have the only tunes for full E85 or duel pulley as of right now. It is a flash at home deal, so if flashing the car on your own scares you, may want to look elsewhere. But it is very easy and Tony the owner guides you through it. I have his full E85 tune with just one pulley, and actually getting a duel pulley set up very soon. I can tell ya, the full e85 is defiantly stronger than the stage 2 gasser. Power through the whole band is really strong. EPL’s correspondence is also very good. Tony is very prompt on answering emails. And is constantly updating the files. Nothing but good things. I’ve been reading through a lot of threads here and a few members really bash this company…don’t know if it’s disgruntled formal employees or what or just angry people. Whatever. Again, just my 2 cents. If you got any questions on EPL just ask me!! Oh yeah, I don’t work for or affiliated with EPL.
Welcome to the site. I think your post shows why most people dont have or dont like EPL. If you want a tune from a company that is still trying to figure out how to tune and you want your car to be ginny pig EPL is the company. Tony will happly use your car as an expermiental car while he works through learning how to program. Companys like APR and GIAC either own or have test cars. They are not constantly updating there tunes and why is it a good thing that a company needs to constently update there files. Thats called not having all the testing done and trying to figure out things on the fly.
When people call it hate against a company is called most people seeing whats responsible. Companys like APR have been known to work on E85 tunes as well. Not too sure on GIAC but when they make a tune they dont just put it on a customers car two days after its started. Thats not called progressive thats called to most ginnypig testing. And to think the guy that is taking your money and using your car as a guinnypig test car is going to not be very easy to get ahold of is odd. EPL needs you to respons most of the customers are test tunes. If you like that and think thats responsble then that says why the small group of people like EPL. So when you look at it the first few people who got the EPL tunes paid top dollar and got shit performance so much so that they either sold there tunes or had to pay again for a tune from the companys like APR or GIAC that didnt release a product until it was tested and worked.
When you see people like me or others recomend APR or GIAC its not because of dyno sheets as EPL has been fudging dyno sheets for a while now. Its not just because of track tims but track times alone show you APR and GIAC know what they are doing but they have been doing it over and over and over on several different cars for years now with no issues and safe return. so again if anyone wants to look at the term as EPL hate yes lots of us hated to see people spend money on EPL why they said they knew how to tune the B8 cars and people got shit tunes and performance while someone tried to work it out. The tunes now might be different and maybe they are. Still it sounds like its still guinnypig. People for years have been saying how nice some companys are well if this was how nice company X is over how nice companys X products are that would be a different thread.
With all that said Im not saying people cant like REVO or EPL or even the MAP clamp box. You get the same kinds of excitment over the MAP clamp box as you do from some of the off brand tunes like EPL or others. Feel free to like what you want. Just know that people that read and follow tend to keep track of the past several years not just past several months.
The reason I like REVO is deployment assurance. I’ve seen customer cars at the APR dealer get port flashed, and it didn’t work. There’s minor revisions of the ECU and software that Audi doesn’t document.
REVO pulls the ECU out of the box, solders off the encryption chip, and verifies the tune loaded properly. 100% of the time it works every time. There’s a little bit of labor involved there.
So your saying APR and GIAC release flawless products that are 100% ready to go?? No beta testers needed?? I was in 2 beta test cars for APR. One that had the hugely successful stage 3 blower attached. That thing couldn’t keep the timing under 40 degrees. Repeated runs. NICE!! The other was doing a blend of alcohol and 91. 35 degrees there. Seems like Ginny pigs to me no?? Then, good luck on getting ahold of them. My buddy is a dealer and it still took days to get hold of somebody. Not bashing them for doing this. Got to have test cars in the system.
Or, the BETA tester from GIAC that has full E85 on his car, and wants to switch over to EPL for better “support”. Thing is, these big guys have moved away from the B8. Or they give it minimal time. They’re getting the B9 and all the other newer platforms taken care of. And I don’t blame them. New money.
And btw, Could you give me some examples of EPL doing unsafe testing on cars?? Or how about unhappy customers? testing?? (Can keep Saxtons posts at bay, we already all read them a thousand times). He did 27 REVISIONS on his full e85 tune for Tom and I. Layering in more timing as he went. Keeping everything under restraints. That is after he tested the tune on 2 shop cars in Connecticut. Then he released it to the public.
And how many B8’s blew up in the process of unsafe . Surly there must be a list of complaints a bout these shady practices?? Links please. Just trying to give people that are looking at tunes different options than APR or GIAC. Tony did a group buy of over 40 cars a few months back. 1100 for stage 2 out the door on the 8.5. I’m yet to hear nothing but praise. Perfect logs, no cel…nothing. If he does a group buy, and would rather spend 2k on the APR and GIAC product, God bless ya. Your money.
You had too much coffee today.
No all those guys are like this. An AXE to grind and hate when people point out the issues. it never takes more then one or two follow up posts for these guys to be exposed. Just as it did here. The first post they try to look sane then you point out the issues and answer the questions they post pertending to ask. After that there follow up is just like he did. He just proved my point. 27 revisions of being a ginnypig and now that he was a test car he obviously would think its the best tune and best customer service. He just proved my point for me. EPL tests and figures out how to tune on customer cars. GREAT that dosent make the tune good or safe. But he is here to answer any EPL questions you might have… Kinda sums it all up.
Again the last sentence in my follow up post says it all. The educated guys here have mostly been around for years not just months. Facts are facts time and testing has shown the APR and GIAC cars and tunes stand out from the rest.
The same thing the one guy is saying is the samethings the MAP clamp people say and thats fine. Some of different standards then others.
REVO has been doing well after there first issues with the tunes. It would be interesting to see where they see the B8 going.
The REVO removal of the chip is interesting. That might be one way to dodge isssues with Audi knowing your tuned. But west do you have the ECUs rivet in stock.
The B8 is going straight to hell and they are likely starting development on the B9. Same old 2.0T, brand new ECU SIMOS version. Then we get a new turbo 3.0L for the new S4.
Yes, and the revo car is slower than the Apr or giac car 70 out of 70 times. Our list bears this out. We have a good sample size of all of the tunes and if you throw out the top 10% of each turner’s results, revo is a distant 3rd. Not even worth considering frankly.
Thanks for proving the point.
Or just run each car through the gears from 0-120 mph and see who is fastest. Braking isn’t influenced by tunes. Since we know there are dozens of Apr and giac owners who have put in thousands of miles at road course events, and the cars handle the demands just as well as revo or anyone , the truly fastest cars will be the one that can accelerate best.
Apr and giac kick the shit out of revo.
Every one on this site knows that.
Everyone on this site agrees on that.
Except the one guy with revo…who will now fill 4 pages with nothing while he convinces only himself that he is right.
It’s possible I’m faster than anyone with one of those tunes. I’ve posted many videos where I grid up with a Yellow B8 S4 that has the latest and greatest Stage 2 APR tune (and every part APR sold like CPS), and I pass him every time. He’s also an instructor and he’s a great driver with a lot more experience than me. So either I’m faster or my tune is faster. I know it would kill you to concede that either or both of those is true.
I dont think so. I think if you were faster and its possible maybe because of the possible weight advantage or maybe because of a better tune. I think everyone would be ok. I think lots of people will point out the clear issues REVO had in the past as again lots of people here including you know the past and not just past few months. You have been served well by REVO and it has apparetnly stood up well on your car for several track runs and from some of the footage you posted you are not easy on the car. Your thoughts and support of your tune are going to be fair. You didnt take place in making the tune or work with REVO you just bought an off the shelf tune and are happy with it so there isnt a conflict of interest.
Eh those videos predate my seats and brake upgrades. Most of those guys dropped $25k on modding the car in 2010 when they got it, where I went piecemeal over the years. Now I’m moving into magazine time territory.