Except the fact that they haven’t provided data for any of their tunes…beyond a dyno.
Maybe they can stand out when they are a legit company and keep their name longer than 6 months. Until then anyone who experiments with them will likely end up like you (switching to someone who knows what they are doing) or worse.
ya your right, dont want anyone wasting their money like i did because i listened to people like you
You wasted your money because you listened to him?
From day one he and twenty other people on this site told you epl was the worst tuner in the audi scene, and you ignored us , fought us , called us haters (among other names) all because we have seen dozens of people form various platforms make the same mistake you were about to make…and we were trying to protect you from it. You were seduced by the ‘we tune porsches’ and ‘we have shiny floors’ , just like everyone else. The reality? As our epl b5 thread asked… “If they’re so great where the hell are all the fast epl cars?”
Lol! So this s4m3 guy isn’t really a customer he’s associated with them? Lol. Why doesn’t hat surprise me?
No, their not hiding behind a dyno really! Love the “majority” comment… So i guess 1 of 1 is a majority…
The amount of B8 guys that go to the strip is 10x all of the other platforms…lol
You wasted your money because you listened to him?
From day one he and twenty other people on this site told you epl was the worst tuner in the audi scene, and you ignored us , fought us , called us haters (among other names) all because we have seen dozens of people form various platforms make the same mistake you were about to make…and we were trying to protect you from it. You were seduced by the ‘we tune porsches’ and ‘we have shiny floors’ , just like everyone else. The reality? As our epl b5 thread asked… “If they’re so great where the hell are all the fast epl cars?”
Obviously your not the only one that sees this.
I said it before thus kind of stuff is just reducing his credibility. If your best results are from b5 guys jumping in or that’s the best thing you have to offer your already sunk. Having people with no credibility try to give credible feedback is just showing more and more why you don’t want to use these guys. Then really stupid statements like the majority statement keep capping off the other points.
yes i would say i wasted my money by getting the apr tune, i made the same amount of power with both and the car doesnt feel any different except a higher rpm launch…
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What is wrong with guys like you?
Didn’t you run 11.9 on 93oct with APR? The best you ran with EPL was a 12.3…what the hell are am I missing?
You also had to have multiple revisions, EPL sucked at getting back to you, and in the end you still WERE NOT satisfied. We all know your pathetic excuse for switching was “For re-sale purposes” which BTW is fucking hilarious, but you switched to an OTS tune after you talked up the EPL “custom” tuning and flash at home advantages.
Just give it up man, I really don’t even give a shit at this point, but if you would have listened to what people recommended then you would have went with APR FIRST and there would have been no need to go with another tuner. Although you could have switched to EPL from APR to prove a point…then back to APR after you failed or were unhappy again.
I also find it very comical when I read your cheerleader@APR posts on AZ…you’re just a guy that is proud of his car I guess. You talk shit on every tune there…GIAC, Revo, now I see you questioning SMS…which is great. Just don’t be such a bitch about your choice to move on to a better tune for your car.
Also you bashing of this forum is pathetic…we should have told you to fuck off a long time ago.
This just keeps getting better… I honestly didn’t know that the s4m3 guy was the owner of Solo… Shouldn’t he be posting as a vendor? Nah that would blow their cover on these stellar dynos and “customer” review… Lets have my tuner post as the shop and I’ll post as the customer… wow just wow… The Cleveland fellow will not be going with their tune… Between what has been posted and what I told him he is going to go APR or GIAC, and he’s a 6-speed so even if he went with them and we raced I know the excuse would be “he can’t drive”… Solo = a bunch of good guys! LOL
Lol! So this s4m3 guy isn’t really a customer he’s associated with them? Lol. Why doesn’t hat surprise me?
No, their not hiding behind a dyno really! Love the “majority” comment… So i guess 1 of 1 is a majority…
I agree it is odd to say the least.
Obviously they want to drum up some business an seeing as most of the people on the B8 S4 forum will throw money at a wet paper bag I see them getting some business regardless of 1/4 mile times or not.
d.p., agreed… I just think it’s shitty and in the long run why the “tuner” has changed places/names a few times in the last year… Look no further than a few posts up, IE Saxon, he went EPL “custom” and basically wasted money since he switched to APR, although he seems to be in denial of some suffering some form of cognitive dissonance… Overall just a pretty shitty way for them to conduct themselves and of course Toni lets them get away with it since the $'s rule… Wonder whatever happened with his review of OEM+? LOL
I am not familiar with jfonz or the history of solo but I am interested in some competitive pricing for ECU tunes on the B8 S4 platform. Without saxon I doubt anyone would have ever gotten an EPL tune. It seemed like he was the one and only guy with it and seemed to be championing them fairly hard. Now with Solo and Unitronic providing tunes (regardless of their 1/4 or dyno numbers) I would hope that competition would bring the price down. It doesn’t matter for me because I already have one but the price for them is obscene. Not to mention I would want nothing more than the ability to flash at home but I doubt I will ever see that in my lifetime.
As far as Audizine goes we all know Anthony caters to the vendors and its been that way since I originally signed up. Its unfortunate but that forum has the most traffic in regards to the current platform but it is what it is. That oemplus nonsense is laughable but unfortunately par for the course over there.
d.p., I hear you… As for EPL, no one would get it and shouldn’t because it’s not very good as Saxon’s times with it and with APR proved… The same will happen with Solo/Jfonz/Rabbit or whatever they go by next week… EPL was what 4 years to market after APR and 2.5+ after GIAC… For me I’m not as price concious as others I care more about inovation and improvements… APR used to do that for us and I believe GIAC still does so that’s where my future $‘s will go if APR doesn’t have anything new by spring… Id’ rather pay $500 more but get something that performs at peak levels and is reliable with good support…
As for Vendorzine I hear you on the traffic but most of that traffic is just noise IMO… Don’t get me wrong I spend too much time reading over there but it’s more entertainment… Toni thinks he can control people because of his “power” on that site so after what he did to me and then lied about it I’ll continue to tell the truth about them and while it probably doesn’t hurt them it makes me feel better! LOL Besides if I help a few folks not make bad decisions then it’s worth the time and effort and we end up getting the good folks over here anyway…
Regardless of whether you’re conscience about price the fact remains the price of tunes are high. Not to mention the price they charge for the pulley and belt which, IMHO, is just a money grab.
In the end I am happy with GIAC. I had to deal with a do nothing tune for 5 months before they did anything about it and I still have to deal with driving back and forth to my shop to get flashed back to stock. And for what I paid, I shudder at what DSG guys paid, flashing at home should be an option in this day and age.
I guess we just have to wait and see what if anything comes of Unitronic and Solo.
Depending on the company you’ll find the price per product is in relation to their interests in recouping investment costs and collecting on possible insurance payments for damages. In the case of APR your premium covers supplemental support in some of the early stages of the tune. In the case of the RS4 APR helped in some fashion pay for replacement of motors. I’d have to assume GIAC would adhere to those same business costs.
You’ll find development quickly stops if companies don’t see a return on their investment. Thankfully most of the newer car owners don’t mind spending money with the companies that engineered something rather than spending money with those that just copied something someone engineered. You’d expect to see prices drop relatively soon as the b8 S4 has now been out for 5 years. The best thing unitronic can do is offer a well priced tune. While unitronic has zero credibility with the 3.0t motors they actually have a real brand name.
Something to consider is the future development costs. I have no idea what’s going on with APR and their stage 3 plans but a good way to help show there’s good money to be made is continuing to support the companies reinvesting in the platform.
The amount of B8 guys that go to the strip is 10x all of the other platforms…lol
Obviously your not the only one that sees this.
I said it before thus kind of stuff is just reducing his credibility. If your best results are from b5 guys jumping in or that’s the best thing you have to offer your already sunk. Having people with no credibility try to give credible feedback is just showing more and more why you don’t want to use these guys. Then really stupid statements like the majority statement keep capping off the other points.