I did mention this earlier, admitting that my 91 file experience has little bearing on what a tuner can do with better fueling. At the same time, I don’t think anyone is out publicly selling C16 files to anyone who has interest. So to say that anyone can go out and trap near 130 is a bit of a stretch.
The car had ER intercoolers when I purchased it as well. And I don’t see why it would matter if some sensors went bad, as the file had them all coded out.
110 leaded octane works well with that tune as well 
As said before the file we put on the customers car was mild for his modifications and conditions. Also we don’t code out any of the sensors aside from re-calibrating the rear o2’s so maybe it wasn’t even our tune on his car?
Aside from the going back and forth I do believe the last time we had a head to head comparison of a JHM b5 s4 vs. a GIAC b5 s4 was at German Invasion several years back when Jason was running faster than Brent/Jeff Moss/GIAC all day until they sprayed nitrous, which they admitted to sometime after.
Maybe it wasn’t, but it did have a JHM sticker on the ECU, and Vast 91 Pump File was written in sharpie on the case. But it had coded out EGT’s, O2’s, N75 disconnected.
Like I said, this was my experience with 91, which is irrelvent to what you do with C16 or similar fuel. I never intended for this to turn into a tuner war, I wanted to discuss Sac Raceway and what others thought. Vishnu is up there all the time as well, and they will also admit to the period when calibration was off. I’m not saying that you didn’t do an honest 130, I just wanted to see what others thought and see if there was any other information from other runs that would support it.
Seeing as I also have B5 S4, I love to believe that these cars can achieve such feats. If one person can trap 130, it makes us all hope that we can get there too at some point.
lol that’s definitely not even a JHM file.
Merlin, why don’t you guys have an old fashioned showdown? Bring something nice from GIAC since they’re still developing tunes. Bring the JHM RS6R car. Bring whatever 034 wants to bring.
All show up at Sacramento and see what’s what. I would love to see that. Hell let GIAC bring out their B8 S4 guys and their questionable dynos. That’d be really funny.
My bone stock RS4 beat a 91 GIAC tuned B8 S4 all day at the strip in April, even though the 91 GIAC was advertised making 402 WHP. Before you blame the driver, he was driving a DSG car. Mash gas and go is the driver skill required. Maybe we should talk about that? I actually started a thread about that here somewhere. Would love to hear a GIAC representative address that massive gap in performance. My Rs4 ran a best of 12.75 @ 108 and his B8 S4 ran a best of 12.88 @109. I had about half a dozen passes faster than his best of the day.
http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=449.msg15419#msg15419
We will likely have some B8 S4’s up there in the Fall/Winter at the strip. If you want to come out, the more the merrier.
And fatezero has never run his car at the track, as it is his wife’s car (and a 6MT). The fastest recorded ET for a stock pulley B8 S4 is still a GIAC car…
Aw I was hoping for a tuner war 
Met the guy from vishnu a couple times at the track, quiet guy but is really no nonsense, goes to the track and gets his business done.
When are we going to get a set of rs6r’s on your car
Sounds good to me!
Sucks that most of your tracks have been closed down in socal.
what??? So the ECU has vast 91pump written on the case and your calling it a JHM made file? After All the discussion you just mention this now?
I suppose I should have expected this. As I said Earlier your clearly bias in defence of GIAC. Incase its not obvious this was a vast file and not a JHM file. It was a JHM customer with a Vast file.
So you have no experience with JHM or the 91 software.
To end the weak debate that JHM didn’t go 130 with ko4s its been done again by me in Detroit. Again by twinpsi in Ohio and I don’t remember the other screen name but he was in NY or NJ. So the ko4 130 debate is now added with that factual addition.
As for why the RS6r car didn’t go faster. The throttle body experienced some issues that resulted in the limited track time. From a tuning stand point the car was at -25lbs of boost. Vs the 28+ on the ko4 runs. That is the quick answer.
So “JHM by Vast” as read on the sticker, is not JHM?
IF you need a road map to figure that out then there is little left I can do to help.
So when you say AWE by GIAC that would mean AWE made the tune?
But AWE doesn’t do their own tuning. If JHM does their own tuning, why do they also use Vast for tuning? I’m asking this as an honest question, by the way.
So from this. To now reveling this
and now this.
well. For those of us that can’t figure this out. Its a vast tune. I’m sure mike is excited to know GIAC was looking over his 91 oct file.
regardless MM good luck with the car and the GIAC projects in the future
Looking over a 12 year old file with no encryption? You’re flattering youself.
But back to the previous question. Why does JHM do their own tuning, and yet also have Vast tune the same platforms for them?
MMMMMMMM someone struck a nerve MerlinsMagic. I know you seem to be having some issues keeping your stories straight and your attempt to make JHM look bad has blown up in your face. I just would like to help you out with the fact that. It would be mike that would be getting the flattering and not yourself.
I had a GIAC file on my car and it sucked. I actually paid money to get it taken off. So I don’t think anyone for a second is going to believe that your file was better then whomever.
Also who cares what JHM and vast did. You didn’t seem to care till you were called out on it. Maybe its time to see your team isn’t doing so well here and just pack it up and attempt to save what is left of a reputation.
ohhh I just gave you the gift of negative Karma. It just seems fitting. You are doing a great job of creating a trainwreck for the GIAC brand and yourself
Wow speaking from a point i know none of these people here personally and none of the companies and ive had GIAC tunes and Vast and tons of JHM parts im just loving whats going on seems great to me people care that much about a 12 yr old platform! Cant wait to see the next big thing for the B5 S4!
In the old days, JHM used to be involved in the B5 stuff. countvohn tuned for VAST (among others as you now know) and wrote files for Jaybquick and Dan to name a couple. They were ‘JHM’ tunes, but they were written by a guy in Detroit. Who worked with VAST.
When JHM decided to go full bore into the V8 car game (B6/7 S4, C5 A6 4.2 etc.) they left the B5 stuff for VAST.
JHM and VAST had a ‘relationship’ for the past few years. Basically the V8 stuff was done by JHM and the B5 stuff was done by VAST. In some situations (i.e. a Detroit area car) someone with a B6/7 V8 S4 would go to VAST and VAST would do work on their car and ‘tune it’ with a JHM tune. Like me. People have told me they have a VAST tune on their B7 S4…and when I log their car I show them it says ‘JHM’ write in the ECU info on VAGCOM.
If a customer in California wanted some VAST love, they could go to JHM and say ‘hook me up’ at which point JHM would load the customer up with stuff like VAST clutch kit, intake spacers, and whatever…and would ‘tune’ the car (with a VAST tune, now written by Mike as countvohn was focused on the V8 stuff with JHM).
This is in general. Obviously there were some guys who got the JHM stuff for their B5, and vice versa (what there was).
Your car appears to have been tuned by VAST, but the work was done in California at JHM’s shop. The dead giveaway was everything being turned off. That is not very countvohn. That sounds like someone who was struggling managing parameters and who didn’t have the information on getting around the parameters, so they just turned them off (VAST). That doesn’t sound like someone who heads up a performance team at the race division of a major OEM lol (countvohn)
clear?
This entire post is a black Eye for GIAC. While I can see what MerlinsMagic was looking to do, it did indeed blow up in his face. The back peddling and then accusation changes from one thing to another. There are still several questions that have yet to be answered and it seems the more he posts the more that gets truly reveled
Yes, what I’m trying to do. Here was my original post:
After Saki agreed that the known calibration issue could have been a factor, I said:
[quote]I suppose it’s possible, but there is reason in my mind to be skeptical. And I don’t just say this as an armchair thinker, my S4 had the JHM software when I bought it. I was told that my actual car ran an 11.4, but I can assure you that the car was slow as shit when I got it.
I don’t ususally talk about this because people just think I’m trying to plug GIAC software. We have moved on from the B5 market, so I feel that I can give an honest opinion when I say that the car pulled harder up top with the GIAC OTS software. Maybe JHM ran a C16 file to the ragged edge, it’s possible. I just know that my 91 JHM tune was no faster than a stock Evo or Sti.
Take my opinion with a grain of salt, as I obviously have reason to say that the car was slower before (if not slower, certainly not faster). But this was my honest thought. You can only do so much with a fixed quantity of air.
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Right from the get-go, I admitted that I am affiliated with GIAC and obviously have reason to say another file is slower. If I was really trying to sell someone, would I mention this detail? And like I said in the quoted posts, this is an old market that GIAC doesn’t even sell volume in. There is no point in me trying to give this small and educated forum some BS marketing scheme. Nobody has mentioned the Sac calibration issue around 2005, so I just brought it up for discussion. I never questioned the ET, only said that at one point trap speeds were reading high. No matter what I say, if I at all mention any other company, people are going to think I’m trying to make someone look bad.
JHM came in this thread and said that I have a mild file for stock intercoolers. Well that was false, I don’t have stock intercoolers. Oh that didn’t explain it? Well then you don’t have a JHM file.
CountVohn said that he worked with GIAC and knows my exact file. While that may be partially true, I have a different file that was made when Austin came to GIAC, long after the CountVohn and Torque Factory days. Oh that didn’t explain it? Well then you’re a liar and GIAC never made any different files.
See where I’m going with this?
I compared my 91 file experience for reference, and it appears that maybe my file wasn’t even a JHM file. But like I said, I don’t have experience with a C16 file so my results really hold little to no weight. Ok, back to discussing the calibration issue and others’ results. Nowhere would you find me saying that a GIAC car will beat the C16 JHM car, this wasn’t me trying to say that GIAC software rules all. I mentioned the 91 file, and then quickly admitted that it was irrelevant. It is a fact that Sac had a calibration issue at one point. Does this mean the 130 speed wasn’t correct? Well that is the discussion for which I originally posted. If you think that I’m some kind of shady marketer, honestly look back and read the thread. I am on this forum as an individual enthusiast, with admitted ties to a software company.
You don’t think that file could have been loaded on to your car when the guy had stock intercoolers…and he upgraded them after (but left the file as is)?
I think you’re looking at things far too conspiracy theory like. The fact is the JHM guys are proud of their files and if someone shit-talks it, they’re going to defend themselves.
If you’ll notice the posts I’ve made should have clarified everything, but were repeatedly ignored, other than the fact bigfatzero’s car had a manual trans vs. a DSG. Why not go back and focus on the facts I laid out? Even my last post explaining the relationship between JHM and VAST was ignored.
The reason it looks like you’re being a GIAC homer and pimping GIAC is because…you kind of are. You have a few times said that JHM was sub-standard while GIAC was great. Since you work at GIAC, that’s your pre-rogative. Come in and wave the flag…we all welcome that. But don’t hide behind ‘I’m not saying this to sell GIAC’ etc. That’s a bit of a joke. When it turns out you don’t even know what tune was on your car when you first got it, and you were bashing JHM when you actually had a file written by Mike at VAST…don’t you think that makes you look a little empty? I mean you knew it had VAST 91 written right on the fucking ECU, yet you chose the fact that JHM loaded the ECU into your car on behalf of VAST as a means to have a kick at JHM.
You have yet to apologize/edit/retract your statement about JHM tuned K04 cars…and since you have never driven one, I think that would be a good start for you.
I wanted to appoligize to GIAC. It turns out they did mack some changes to the 91 files after Countvohn/jmoss worked on this. Snow trooper apparently has one of the cars and here is the results.
Great job GIAC :
TOTAL TRAIN WREEK. Im pissed someone said that before me. I love how merlinsmagic said… Well I said I was from GAIC and everyone should take what I say with a grean of salt…
ok so we should just call you a shill and your attempting to beat down JHM to amke GIAC look better. This is such fail FOR GIAC… We need to point this thread out. The more Merlinsmagic posts the more you really get the truth…
oh and contrats on the NEW 91 files that no one ever heard of that.
It runs like shit down low and bucks all over the place in first gear while going on and off throttle,
hahahaha
Still in all the attempts to make GIAC look good why is merlinsmagic still not adressing the FACTS that sakimano is bring up… come on mam. you have so much to say lets hear it.
If you are going to quote me keep it in context, the file I’m talking about is the gangster lean file, the customer owned r&d car I have has never been updated. As usual, you are a little off.