Just figured this deserves it’s own thread. It is a (mostly) pump gas record, if we ignore Matt running 91 + meth (which I believe he runs normally on the street).
Interesting to me since all I intend to put back on the car next year motor-wise is the intake and the two pulleys.
I have the AWE CPS plus a coolant divorce already, after losing my intercooler rad to a rock (guys, one mod that really is essential - rad protection - it happens to a LOT of B8 S4s).
Yeah this is an awesome time and we need to talk about it… I do think the extra octane helped given the flexibility of a good tune to utilize a little higher timing when better gas is run, similar to the whole the APR 93 tune is too aggressive argument… Either way though it’s a great time and happy CV is getting in the game… He and I have traded several PM’s and he can bring nothing but good things to this platform so I’m excited to see it play out… Would be nice to see some logs to see how timing looks, bypass, maf, lambda, etc.
2000s4, Any logs you can share? My email is mustanggtron@yahoo.com
Lets keep this one going, I like that JHM is testing a dual pulley set-up (and this guy works magic on whatever he touches).
Why do you want to hear from Matt?
As for the jhm tune the octane is irrelevant. The timing request on this test version is more like others’ 91 tune and it is still bleeding off boost even on these latest runs. The tuner is working incrementally to keep the car safe and doing the usual jhm… Finding acceleration in dozens of other areas the big companies ignore.
But you won’t see logs.
To clarify, the owner had 94 octane and added 98 octane so it wouldn’t qualify as ‘pump’. I’d submit that it wouldn’t have mattered if it was straight 94 or 93, it’d have run the same times. There’s not much ‘upside’ or ability to take advantage of octane built into this tune yet as it is early days.
Definitely exciting though.
Here is the run the op is about. The owner sent it to me to post.
Saki, Sorry, I thought that Matt was the owners car, I apologize… Was just hoping he was willing to share logs from his car? If not no biggie, I always share but I guess I should’t expect the same from others… Sounds like you’ve already seen the logs, so still bleeding boost, 91 octane level timing(what is that by the way?), and runs 11.66 at 118. OK good to know…
Also, octane level is never irrelevant when making power comes into play…
Yeah, I saw the videos impressive really…
Nah the tuner doesn’t want logs going around during testing as it leads to a bunch of armchair quarterbacks freaking out and telling him what to do. See the chipwerke morons analyzing Apr tunes for a sample lol. Also no need to help the competition as the jhm tune will surely crush everyone else and they will then do their best to steal it eventually so for now it will be private.
Anyway why would anyone want to see a log of a half finished tune?
2000s4 is the owner of the car. Local guy who used to own the red rs4 that was the fastest NA rs4 for a couple years.
If you want me to believe you don’t know what modest timing requests are I want you to believe that I have a tree in my front yard that produces Reese Pieces when you snap your fingers. 
As for octane always being relevant, please explain that. If you have a tune that is dialed way back, and it’s 40 Fahrenheit out, how is 96 octane better than 94 octane?
Gotcha… Yeah, I guess I view all tunes as always being in process, so seeing logs helps tell what’s going on. I’d certainly make comments not sure I’d call it armchair quaterbacking but I get your point… I like to see logs to see how a car is doing what it does, I’m pretty good at interpreting how a car will perform based on looking at timing, boost, bypass, iats, etc. If the timing is as low as you state and the car has any significant bypass yet is running those times then you won’t see it in typical logs anyway. Just not sure where the power would come from?
No I haven’t seen many 91 logs lately… I’m guessing 16-17 degrees at peak rpms in 3rd/4th?
Any tune that’s dialed way back wouldn’t be doing 11.66@118, CV or not :-). Sure, the weather was great, everyone had a great weekend, but I’d say this is 20-30 hp better than that.
Sak - rather than logs, give us an indication of what you consider “bleeding a little boost” - Matt was bleeding down to 2150 hPa for his runs. “91 timing” would be probably 15-16 degrees total timing at that boost. That’s how I interpret that based on the current tunes.
If it’s rather that total timing is 21 degrees advance and 2300 hPa boost, I wouldn’t call that a 91 tune at all (EDIT: that would be the perfect street tune for me! and 94 gas). Anyhow all of this makes me interested when I get my car back on the road about my tuning options.
This is what everyone in every audi platform has said every time jhm stepped in.
B5
B67 S4
B7 RS4
B7 A4
B8 S5
etc
‘It’s already maxed out ’
’ there’s no way they’re doing xxx with yyy’
Just be patient. Let’s count ourselves lucky were seeing results during development. That usually doesn’t happen. Usually we hear about it a year later.
If you guys don’t believe it…you should check out the B6/7 S4 platform…the RS4 platform…and the 2.0T platform.
Whatever CV touches turns to fucking gold. Sometimes I can’t wrap my head around one guys being so good, but he has shown us time and time again what total domination looks like. There is a reason why APR asked him for help back in the day when their “team” of calibrators couldn’t tune the RS4.
Anyways, it is very exciting to see JHM in the game. The other guys (tuners) probably wouldn’t use that emotion though…
I don’t think anyone doesn’t believe it - CV is really good. I’m pretty happy for him and the future of the platform, and I would love to give it a whirl when this car goes together again.
I am wondering how much ‘a little’ bypass’ and ‘91’ timing is - I threw some numbers out there as to what I consider to be that.
Just wanted to quote the whole thing for context.
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Hey, you won’t say - that’s ok, easier to find out directly when it’s time for me to get tuned again. But I figured the tune should have it’s own thread.
Anyhow, I’m definitely interested in either scenario I wrote above. I can wait a while since my C63 lease doesn’t run out until the end of next year, and I already own the APR tune for the S4.
If I already paid $1500 or whatever it is for the APR 2 tune, I would just stick with that. Just ask for the tune they gave primetime that I believe is not offered systemwide. It will allow you to take advantage of the second pulley if you get it. Then leave your TCU alone, and you’re laughing. You have a 2010 right? That will be interesting because we will see the difference between your car and George’s car, both mildly modded, stage 2+. As I recall on stage 2 alone you went 12.0 on 105+ octane tuning? But that was ages ago, I’m sure the APR tuning has more in it now.
No I won’t, the tuner asked me not to share. I helped George log his car and was with the tuner and George when we went to Milan, so I’m well aware of what’s going on from 30,000 feet, but if you ask me as you did on text message how he’s making power if timing and boost aren’t where they need to be yet, I can’t answer that. Mostly because I don’t know.
What I do know is this happens every time. Lots of denial about what’s possible, lots of questioning, and then lots of eating crow when records fall (not saying you guys are doubters but just wait till you post this on audizine…they will freak out and rail against the possibility of ‘little JHM’ destroying the big guys). If George can get a full bore pump gas tune on his car, I think he’ll beat the 11.45 time. I also think if he gets a full bore race gas tune on his car, he will be out of reach. Of course if Primetime smartens up and ditches his previous TCU tune, it would be a different story.
Remember though I’m talking about George with tune, pulleys and intake. He doesn’t have cooling, he doesn’t have lw front rotors, he doesn’t have lw rear rotors, he doesn’t have particularly light wheels (11.66 was I believe with VMR710s in 19x9.5 which are around 30 lbs), and he doesn’t have any exhaust mods. There’s a long way to go outside of the tuning.
When we were in Detroit, there were 2 tunes CV was looking to load on George’s car. The one he went with was a conservative one that the car ran 12.0-12.2 @ 113-114 on (and also ran 12.2 @ 108 a few times with massive bleedoff). The other one he didn’t load because he wanted to see where the car stood and how it responded. It was also too big a file to load over the internet without it timing out which made it easy to go with the conservative tune. I asked him that day on Oct 23 ‘what do you think this tune is capable of, and what do you think the other one is capable of’ when were were on the way to Milan.
“This one should be able to scare the 11s. The other one should make him an 11.6-11.7 car.”
The car went 12.0 on its last pass . So I don’t think we’re dealing with someone who’s guessing about what might happen. This is just part of his process, and as annoying as it is to be shut out, trust me when I say we’re getting more behind the scenes looks at what they’re doing than we ever have on any other platform. As I said above, we usually have to wait a year to even find out what they were doing in development. The fact he’s sharing this 11.6 shows 2 things
Just wanted to say that it’s great to see JHM finally jump into the B8 S4 tuning game and congrats to a great start for both JHM and CV. Looking forward to where this leads to!
makes me want to reconsider trading/selling the car in Dec and just keep it instead (in addition to the other car scheduled to arrive in Dec), loved JHM when I had my B6 S4