I think AZ is filled with just plain fucking dumb asses that are lying around hopeing that no one has the ability that countvohn does.
AZ if filled with people that have no fucking clue and people that have been fooled so many times they are defencive of anything. Most of the people that are posting anti JHM stuff clearly haven even read this thread correctly as the thread clearly stated that JHM Via CV gave an opening to ARD. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND
I think we can all tell who is in bed with what side on AZ.
People want to think that every turbo is a 900$ turbo. People like Project and SRM get turbos from me and the people I work with. while Project on one hand says he isn’t, on the other hand he is saying that his distributor is cutting him off and its because of the JHM thing. Ok I have a quote of him saying that and thats because no one involved wants this kind of kid drama. ASK SRM Ill post his name and show you how he pay pal’ed me money thinking that he could get RS6r turbos from me and Ill show you how I sent the money back to him, because I get RS6r turbos from JHM.
The bashing zero Torrence is fucking stupid. He is a great guy and he will tell you 1000x and I think he has posted how I lashed out and made sure he mentioned that the turbos he has are RS6r JHM turbos. Zero contacted me looking for a GT turbo kit and I suggested the JHM Rs6r turbos due to them being one of the best street strip turbos ever. I also told him I could get him a low dollar turbo option if he wasn’t looking to push his motor. The low cost option would have been the Reps.
JHM from what I can tell has been nothing but honest. While Im flattered that people think JHM is getting turbos from me, Its not the case. We have a great relationship and they have been very helpful since vast sunk.
The story between me and JHM is simple. When VAST fell I needed a company to help sell the inlets and few other supporting parts I made. JHM was happy to jump in and help. From there JHM found the opening to offer me the opportunity to work on and have access to products and programs that they were not exploring. Its not that hard of a story.
The Crap talkers, These are the same clowns that spring to internet fame for causing drama but never uncovering anything but more drama. Its clear they have taken no time to read whats going on here as they can’t even get the facts right that there attempting to repute.
The key word is facts, as Ive seen so many times here. FACTS. These guys trying to ride the JHM fame with the RS6r turbos are not companys there just random guys who have found a link in one way or another to knock off turbos
here get them for cheaper
http://www.ardesign.org/main.sc
Fact is If you are smart enough to know the difference in a RS6 rep and the genuine Rs6r turbo you would be smart enough to know that you can’t even make the turbo for less then 2000 give or take. Still its easier for these guys to talk out there ass and use empty rhetoric then it is to actually know what there talking about…
^^ Great post and great to hear it from the source. Nice website BTW, no ambiguity there! “RS6-x chinese turbo”. It looks like a great turbo for the price.
Amazing the markup these clowns are trying to get. Often things look fancy on the surface, but scratch it a little bit and a lot of these “high profile” companies on AZ are just a website with the ability to drop ship with no actual stock.
What’s really sad is most of these guys on AZ are getting played by the scam artists. Stuff like balance wheel serial numbers are nothing new. Still the fact that CV has kept a close catalog on what serial numbers the Rs6r development has used for each turbo clearly has caught people attempting to fraud people.
All the turbos are not made in china. All the parts are not made in china. Most people are not looking past the fact that there are over 100 parts on a turbo.
Fact is I can take a 100% made in china turbo and a genuine BW turbo set them next to one another and 99% of people would never be able to tell the difference. So how in the world are these people going to be able to tell the difference in a JHM Rs6r turbo? well other then performance you have to take into consideration that JHM is a big business unlike the back yard drop shippers, then you need to take into consideration that JHM has built ths rs6r turbo to there specs. Most people don’t and wouldn’t under stand the specs and changes even if they were told.
As for the JHM and ARD are in bed. Sure we are. JHM has been kind enough to help take over the relationship that vast promised. CV was a founding member of VAST and CV got me in the door at vast, so when vast fell he helped me get in with JHM.
OMG china turbos these turbos are knock off turbos.
http://audirevolution.net/addons/albums/images/507625449.jpg
oh wait these are genuine S6 turbos. ACTUAL turbos… WAIT other then the fact that you can tell there welded they look A LOT LIKE THE CHINA KNOCK OFF TURBOS…wait again… is that green loctie… OMG didn’t someone on AZ say green loctite was only from china turbos…oh I guess not as these are genuine RS6 turbos… well wait…They look like china knock offs… wait I guess if you were to knock off a turbo its supposed to look like the original… Way is that so hard for people to get. The outside is going to look the same cause it has to. Its the guts and materials that make the turbo. I guess you kinda need to have common sense for that one.
Guys, I hear what a few of you have mentioned. I have and would advise jhm to not say or to respond. The only people that have an issue are the people that want to know more or to have “Proof” are people that will have to see past the attempts of others to washout the real facts. It’s clear as I have already shown that there are people in waiting to knock off what JHM already has now.
The same people who come in strong and call these factual posts “BS” are the same people who hide behind the internet.
Something to chew on, China, Asia, South Africa, India, Brazil, ECT didn’t wake up one day and figure out what parts, what waste gates, compressor housings, fittings and other changes were needed to put a RS6 turbo charger on a Audi 2.7T motor. Let’s remember were not talking about a RS6 knock off, were talking about a RS6 converted to fit on a 2.7T turbo.
If you were the guy, who first established contact and concepts on how to use a Rs6 turbo and then later realized that you should look to build an Rs6r turbo as BW wasn’t going to make that turbo forever and you knew making that turbo could be done for a acceptable cost, and you sent a turbo and spec sheet on what you needed to a few companies to get some casting and prototype work done, Chances are you would know a lot more than some random guy on the net.
People have to remember that the guys on AZ don’t know what they don’t know. The entire post and in some respects site is filled with people trying to fit stuff together that helps them feel better about how things like this work and come together. So when a guy says that post on AR is BS. Well sure, to them as they don’t know what they don’t know. There are all kinds of people that talk about all kinds of crazy stuff and try to sell it as fact. Yet they don’t have a hand in making sourcing parts or putting ANY turbo together.
You keep hearing a few guys say. “I did this, or I know this” ok, sure and given ground on what they know, their version of how this works will play out like they mentioned. Yet, do they know what has happened outside what they have done? no, there not able to talk outside what they know or what they have done, or even what their reference is.
Look at it like this, Someone had to get information and help people develop a turbo that would work on a 2.7T. Someone had to have a good idea on what they did and didn’t want when making a turbo. Someone had to do testing when it came to making a turbo that would last and hold up to the abuse. I can’t speak for everyone but I can say I personally know one guy that did. 
There are always people that know and there are people who want to claim to know. Being able to figure out what one is what is where the truth is.
Yea CV said it best there…theres really no telling the guys over there that by any chance the turbos are different they all have in there heads that there the same and dont know or couldnt tell the difference from just copying something with cheap parts to putting time and development into the best part u could make
I love how the one dude thinks showing how he sent turbos to ch8na will prove anything other then he sent parts to china…not 9nly that but I agree with the point that none of these guys ovee there are ligit the one ch8na knock off artist saying he is going to tear down the turbos and have tuem inspected. …hahahaha sure that is going to honest SURE… ill also have a spelling and gramer test vs him and ill give you guys the results…what the fuck how fucking stupid are people. The same guy that knocks off parts in china is some how going to be repitable in telling people the truth …haha b5 s4 guys are fucked. That same guy uses jibbercry as a cr3dible witness dude ub5 guys are fucked.
The one good thing is most people are smart enough to know better. Let the sheep eat shit
I think he was implying he was going to have the parts maker give him an invoice showing the business they did with JHM
of course no parts maker would ever do this as it would be a gross breach of trust with a customer to share their information with another. Of course he is just flashing threats around, and of course some of the greener AZ members are eating it up. Besides this being impossible since he doesn’t even know what continent JHM gets their shit made on, it is just his way of getting the uneducated kids on his side so they post things like ‘BOOM!’ or ‘THIS JUST GOT INTERESTING!’ or ‘+1!’ in order to fit in. As I said, the ebb and flow in that thread is incredible. They get owned, then everyone abandons ship like rats. Then someone makes some claims against JHM, and the little ankle biters all pile on, fuelled by perennial haters like notoriously disappointing 116 MPH trapspeed VR. No shock that he’s on team China copycat ripoff…isn’t he n.e.f.m.o.t.o.'s biggest fan, land of stealing calibrations?
Anyone think it is weird that DxC wants to throwdown with Kurt (who he knows won’t poston AZ) yet he doesn’t venture over here to post his violent torpedo of truth tour? Of course not. He doesn’t want to be embarrassed.
That goes for all of them…they were asked (naudlee/rejectb5, stillborn rabbit, DikxC) why not address the man yourself if you want an audience with him so badly. They all ignored that for some reason…
“Let the sheep eat shit”
LOL sheep shit hater
I completely understand the need to keep information from prying eyes, but as someone who would consider these turbos I find the lack of information to detract from their value. The only noted power improvement over the OEM K04-028 is a “dual stacked compressor wheel”, a term that I haven’t seen previously applied to a compressor wheel.
I feel that it would be nice to see some inducer/exducer sizing, at least for comparison purposes. For people cross shopping these with something like a 605, the lack of facts is a potential deal breaker. There is a lot of hating on the inexperienced users of AZ, but with no technical information and a few fancy buzz words, it seems that this would be the exact user this product is geared toward.
I love that quality and affordable options are coming to the market, but I for one am in for more information besides textual statements.
Well I can see the point your making. Still think about it like this. The Tial turbos on paper look great but in the real arena the specs don’t add up. I think JHM should stick with the let the results speak for themselves. Not only that but at this point its clear so many people are desperate to try and figgure out what the differences are here that adding anymore information would be a bad move. When you look at it in the performance perspective. The two public cars that have RS6-r turbos on them have already been miles better then tial and the other offerings.
Nobody sniffed when tial never produced a compressor map
Nobody sniffed when BW only produced a compressor map
JHM will not likely share too much on specs because they don’t need to. They will prove the turbos work, as will their customers. The rest is up to everyone else to evaluate.
Merlin, if I told you Joe blow turbo co’s part had xx specs, then you bought them and your car ran slower than k04 would that make you feel more comfortable with getting ripped off?
What if I told you they make amazing power on the dyno, but you lost highway pulls to your friend in a 375 whp tune/pulley B8 S4?
What if I showed you beautiful logs, but when you pbox’s your car at home, you found it was running through the gears slower than your friend with small F4 fturbos.
JHM has never sold on specs, has never sold on the dyno, and never sold on the logs. It is very easy to lie about all of those. JHM doesn’t want to legitimize those other methods. JHM instead sell by using evidence of the cars accelerating vs a benchmark performance measurement…and by happy customers spreading the word about how their cars perform.
The logs, specs and synod won’t start now from JHM, because doing so legitimizes those methods of ‘proof’, and that lets ANYONE join in the tuning parts game even if they suck. That meager standard of entry to the B5 world has already infected many…but JHM will do it their way which makes the burden of performance proof that much higher for the industry.
They did this in the B6/7 world. Lots of guys said “if you don’t dyno, or show us the modeling/logs/measurements/flow bench data for the headers/catback/down pipes/tune we won’t believe you and won’t buy them”
JHM said “no problem, thanks for looking” and proceeded to kick crazy ass on the dragstrip (where all power mods SHOULD be measured imo)…which led everyone else to see “oh, ok, they work”.
The guys who go around waiting for specs and dyno sheets and fats are eventually going to have to change their idea on evaluating a power mod, or they will have to find another tuner…JHM won’t change.
Well said, and I agree completely. The problem is that right now there is only JHM’s time, and the imola wagon (can’t find a time slip for it). And while I was hoping for some more trap speed from the JHM car, there were apparent issues with the throttle body. But if it is fixed now and the weather in Sacramento is in the 50’s, why not get a better time?
Maybe I’m expecting information too early, but right now it is just hard to see what you can really expect out of these turbos.
yeah, the information flow is terrible right now. Patience will help. If you need turbos today, I agree it’s tough to sign up for RS6r turbos because we (forum people in general) don’t know much about reliabililty and there isn’t much performance information out there.
The power is nice, as JHM showed going 10.X on a built motor and still trapping 130 with a throttle problem (they’ve never mentioned a problem before even though they’ve had things limit their results…so I would say that was probably a pretty significant problem for them to mention it. They’re not one for excuses)
For me if I were a customer, the reliability angle would be the absolutely biggest concern that I would need to see addressed fully, completely, before I bought. To that end, we know that:
a) JHM has had these on their car for tens of thousands of miles. A couple of years actually…and if anyone has visited the JHM guys, the miles they put on in house cars they own are brutal. They literally toss the keys to an employee and say ‘go see if you can break it’. They blow motors on purpose to find the limit. They eat through axles and mounts like it’s their job…because it is. They want to know how far they can push stuff so they can sell it without having a bunch of parts coming back. Their nogaro B5 has been all over California, to the mountains, to the Nevada desert etc. To the roadcourse, to the dragstrip, and to plenty of highway rips. It has seen just about everything with those turbos on it.
b) RS6r have been on a bunch of customer cars. A couple dozen I believe. I also think there are three waves of beta versions. If they could share some of the information from that testing it would be cool (or if those guys would just speak up).
c) S6atron, the imola avant you mentioned. He’s a member of this site. If you wanted to see his timeslips, you are just like me! I’ve wanted to add him to the database but he has been too busy. He finally gave me them on the weekend from his Ubly dragway track rental day. While we were talking I asked him how many miles he had on the RS6r turbos and I believe it is 20,000 or thereabouts. I was actually quite surprised. He does crazy amounts of driving for work, and as we saw from his videos, isn’t shy about pushing the car. So here’s his couple of timeslips for best ET and best TRAP.
http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo193/sakimano/2012-11-22153518-1-1.jpg
The 11 sec yellow bus lol.
what is crazy is that corbett has also got an 11 second school bus. Imola B5 S4 with RS6r turbos. Pretty crazy co-incidence. So does tweets4estate for that matter. If those cars were all up and running, would have been hilarious to have them all out at Milan last Saturday. Unfortunately that never happened.
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/512473-Anyone-else?p=8198440&viewfull=1#post8198440
post #781. Anyone have any idea what he thinks he found out? He was standing behind JHM and did a 180.
Lol if these people found out how many of their parts are made in China they would crap their pants. I know of certain companies who have almost all of their “name brand” parts (exhausts, intakes, etc) manufactured entirely in china. They literally just stamp their name on them… Actually they have that done in China too ;D Way cheaper to have stuff like that mass produced there, as opposed to paying in house fabricators.
Disappointing to see so much baseless info potentially tarnishing a companies reputation, but I suppose in the long run it will sort itself out.
Lol weird mine is numbered differently…it was Halfbreed saying “Got the info I needed. JHM is no longer a company I will doing business with or recommending. I’m out. Happy TG.”