Thanks for adding in some clarification. It is nice to be able to have CV and ARD over here to provide information!
sakimano Very funny stuff. When you put it like that I ALMOST want to go read the drama on AZ ALMOST but no.
It sucks it has to have come to this. There is a lot of smoke out there. The facts are here, there isn’t much more to say.
What I’ve been talking about has been backed up by several people and the project has been going on for almost 3 years now. I look at your questions and think, how much can be completed if people just ask simple direct questions. The questions you posed helped bring more information to light. The “you’re fucking stupid if you think JHM this or JHM that” is nothing more than desperate attempts to sway the already Gullible and eager listeners.
Drama is never far in the B5 community it’s just more to the side show act. When you don’t have facts, screaming and attacking the people listening is a great way to get attention. Attacking me isn’t going to change the facts. It’s just going to be attacking me. I don’t need to attack anyone. I’ll keep getting more and more facts out there as needed and I’ll let the public see what’s going on. Others seem to have resorted to commotion attacks and whatever sounds good to try and discredit me and others. In attempts to cover up the obviously weak floor they stand on.
In the end none of what is being said by these other guys adds up or makes any sense. All I can say is the JHM is the only company that has the RS6-R turbo. Parts of that turbo are exclusive to JHM and there respected teams. It’s not made in china; there are options for a LD knock off of the RS6-R. That is made in china that is open to a source of brokers
My guess and I’ll be a man about it and say it’s a guess. My guess is someone has gotten a LD unit and assumed that they hit pay dirt. That someone has added up all the thoughts and concluded that the LD units MUST be the same as the HD units. That conclusion is wrong. That is as far as I’ll go with that.
Apparently the other side is. This member designed a turbo and it’s exactly the same as the RS6-R. Well congratulations to the guy who designed the turbo. BUT. It’s not a RS6-R. The said inventor of this “other turbo” has openly said it’s made in china. Ok then once again it’s not a RS6-R turbo. As the RS6-R turbo isn’t made in china.
Something to think about for the level headed individual. If you have something and you know how to do it better, you don’t ask people you can’t trust to help you make it. You keep it tight to your chest and keep as much in house or in team as you can. When you make your own parts and know the formula you keep that to yourself. China isn’t loyal apparently the inventor of that “other turbo” found that out the hard way (apparently). I knew that 18years ago.
We knew the RS6 turbo as the answer to the 2.7T performance formula almost 4 or 5 years ago. We knew the RS6 had its known weaknesses and they needed to be changed. So that’s what we did.
You don’t make a clutch you know isn’t going to hold. Because a few months later, you’re going to have a pissed customer on your hands. You don’t develop a clutch system to be as cheap as you can you develop parts to be a durable as they can. Stuff breaks, build it so it breaks less and lasts longer. That’s going to cost you money. There is always going to be someone ready to knock off what you did that’s why you don’t tell anyone how you did it and you let the other people just copy what they THINK they see.
A few people have asked. “Then why do you have LD units” JHM isn’t dealing with the LD units but I know the question was why did we have them. Capitalism 101, people get what they need before what they want (well not all people but…) There is a MUCH larger demand for a OEM+ replacement. So you sell the LD with either a adapter flange or a different cover as needed. When the testing was done on the first run you could see the limits of the turbos but still see the market for them. In the USA it won’t work so well due to how everyone over stresses things. Like the take 1 aspirin and people take 4. The more is better or more is ok isn’t going to work when you try to use a LD unit for HD apps.
So in the presses the LD units became the V6 mustang of the pack. The V6 mustang outsells the V8 and it makes ford more money. The V6 sales help push the development of the V8. Knowing the market for a LD OEM unit we capitalized on it till it was no longer needed. At the time my job was done ARD just took over the LD program as he and so many people had done very well getting the RS6-R turbos quietly out for testing. The LD is an easy build no need for much more expensive intense machine work or more expensive parts.
The HD units are no different than the HD units in say rod bolts after a certain RPM in the motor or in the shaft speed. The work it takes to keep everything happy and together doubles per RPM increments.
I don’t know what else to say. I have long since moved on from this project and I’m not sure there is much left to say. I honestly don’t wish to engage with arguing with people. Some people have this notion in there heads and if their motivated by money and desperation, nothing anyone can say will change their needs to get to their end goal. At that point its about creating as much drama and work to gain whatever traction they can. When you see desperate post claims and attacks that should kinda point out who not to listen to.
Ill say it again. I don’t get paid if JHM sells the RS6-R, I’m well past this. I have no money interest or attachment. I did this 3 years ago and we have already proven that. Parts get knocked off all the time this isn’t new. Knock off parts are meant to be as close as a clone as you can get. Every part. As I said a china ko4 and a BW ko4 LOOK THE SAME inside and out. however one will last another wont.
To take from Sakimano. Anyone that still believes in company B I say go enjoy your 30$ Authentic (wink wink) Louie Vuitton purse its all the same.
The good thing is, like you said, the better product will soon weed itself out. As someone in this industry for a long time, I know you’ve been here before. Something exciting comes along and everyone gets all up in arms over this “new” product. But over time, it becomes apparent that the tried and true product was and will continue to be the best option.
I know we go through it with software all the time. A big props to you for even coming out and addressing these concerns, because a lot of people wouldn’t. I’m sure that a year from now, we will be laughing about how this whole thing went down as the product that really did take the time to develop will prevail.
[quote=“CountVohn,post:62,topic:3891”]
Are any parts in the RS6-R directly or indirectly sourced from China? (Just asking explicitly, because the term “made in China” has come to be interpreted a number of different ways nowadays, and that term alone doesn’t necessarily preclude parts originating from China.)
[quote=“jibberjive,post:64,topic:3891”]
If I were CountVohn I would not reply to you. Why are you so concerned? It is obvious that you will not be buying these particular turbo’s. I think you should use your late night brain cells to focuse on asking the Count if he can help you fix your tune on your car so that you can maybe make it to the track this year.
[quote="_F.A.W,post:65,topic:3891"]
The second part of faw’s remark is a great idea. Jibberjive, should delete his n.e.f. account and hire a professional. That way he won’t be scared to race faw’s A4.
So CV needed Shawn/ARD’s extensive contacts to test a turbo? Right. Not buying that paragraph at all. Sounds like you guys should have kept your dog on a shorter leash, all this shit has stemmed from Shawn being Shawn, talking a big ass game to anyone who will listen.
Well the Rs6R turbos are a proven 11 sec turbo on stock block and pump gas… Watched S6atron/ hunna boy come out the whole completely sideways and still click off a 11.80 in his heavy swagon lol!!! One thing for sure is Hunter can grip gears… every time he hit third there was a 3 foot fire ball out the exhaust!!! ;D
[quote=“sakimano,post:66,topic:3891”]
Lol, so under your shill-troll-nutswinger account on AZ you tell everyone to come over here and address any questions to CV directly, and when I do exactly that to address the last thing that could be interpreted multiple ways, you try to make some smart Alec response to try to feel like a bad A lol. And you personally pm me a couple of months ago to ask me to post my logging DIY writeup, and now you’re trying to hash on me and n.e.f.m.o.t.o 
[quote=“jibberjive,post:69,topic:3891”]
I just made a joke about your still non running car jibberjive. Frankly i would comfortably say you should delete that account and hire a pro to tune your car if you want results.
No need to be such a Bitch about it.
Yes I asked you to post the logging instructions. A couple of members here asked about how to do it at the very same time, so it was perfect timing. I didn’t realize there were all the negatives associated with n.e.f…(or that you would turn into such a drama queen here after faw owned you by calling your race bluff with his car, the slowest B5 ever vs your not yet able to run B5).
You really have gone downhill. Such a shame.
was that today? Looking forward to video. I hear there were four 2.7t guys out?
[quote=“jibberjive,post:69,topic:3891”]
SNitch.
yes
All right there tough-guy-who-knows-nothing-about-me-or-my-build :-*
I post the question again, so that it doesn’t get lost in the riff-raff.
[quote=“jibberjive,post:64,topic:3891”]
Hey! I know we have had our words in the past but this is bigger then that. I think we have both grown up.
Truth… No CV didn’t NEED my help he helped me when I really needed it. Truth be told I was excited about being part of this. I think CV has set up a real strong plan for production and grabbing more then just one part of the market.
Guilty as charged. I did get and I am excited about this.
The bigger issue here is that scam artists think they are going to pull one over on people. You have some random guy known for knocking off parts and sending stuff to china. Either A knocking off the RS6-r and calling it the same or B. getting the LD turbos and thinking he has figured it all out. The amount of lies and games these guys are going through just shows there desperation.
Facts.
I started getting these turbos out to people over 2 years ago
There is a customer of mine that backs up everything I have said and has now had a set of turbos for over 9 months now.
These other guys just started talking about this a few weeks ago. Its not that hard to figure out.
If there A or B it isn’t an issue. What is an issue is that these guys DCX and his pet friends have been telling lies from the get go. Looking to grab the 2+ years of JH Motorsports testing to try and sell there parts.
I am going to with hold any and all comments or opinions I have about all this. I do not have any current concrete facts and if I did I would love to clear the air on all this. I will say that I believe both sides, i believe both sides think they are telling the truth. I will also say DxC has been developing these for over 2 years also. I know that for a fact. I will also say, very seriously that I wish none of this was happening, its horrible for our industry and specifically the b5 s4 scene.
I have some pretty strong theories, some pretty good info and a great memory, Shawn if you would ever like to discuss this off the forums I am all ears, I am going to bow out of all these threads that luckily I have had a minor to non existent presence in because I fear if I talk about it, my opinions will be taken as facts to the less informed who turn to people like me for guidance.
Snow Trooper.
Come on man don’t drink the koolade. DXC mentioned that he was going to send turbos to china. DXC= parts from china. Talking about and doing are two different things. It’s not hard to go search AZ. So basically DXC has been developing something that has already been out, After they came out. I had a set of Beta JHM RSwhatever you want to call them. Two fucking years ago. Its clear to me DXC picked up JHMs scraps and wants to call them his.
DXC said he invented these but some how jhm got them two years before he invented them? Ok lets say thats true. Then you have to believe that DXCs china connection never reviled to DXC that a company was selling HIS turbos A YEAR BEFORE DXC attempted to not only sell them but to bring them to the USA??? DXC has been asking questions over and over to see pictures of the JHM units. He saw pictures months ago when a member posted them. He never mentioned this then. He even said the china knock off turbos were “close to what a RS6-r would be” DXC also said he had a container of frankenturbos ko4s as well. saying that frankenturbos were made in the same place as the RS6x turbo. What? Now DXC makes Frankenturbo and JHM turbos but both of them have been selling for well over a year before DXC even talks about it…mmmm no the list of doesn’t add up keeps getting longer and longer
Concrete facts. JHM released a video of these turbos in action OVER a year ago. DXC and all of his paid puppets were no where to be found. DXC just the other day accused frankenturbo of being made in the same place. DXCs biggest issue is is ego, and he is just pushing that. DXC had EPL make his set of RS6 turbos for his car. From there DXC said he was sending RS6 turbos off to be copied. Ok these JHM turbos are not RS6 turbos. There a parts bin turbo with some great and much needed updates.
While I don’t know CV and Im not super fond of MrARD. I’m one guy that is saying I can back up what they have said. I’m one of many. If the mountain of clear proof and a time line that should be enough to just take the wind out of the DXC story. DXC and his weak ass attempt to sell this failed Idea that he made something and JHM is taking it is just making him a desperate joke.
China isn’t one guy that answers a phone. ITS FUCKING HUGE and there are tens of thousands of parts knocked off and sent there EVERY day. There are knock off of knock offs. DXC said he was going to send turbos to china. YES HIM AND LIKE 50 OTHER PEOPLE ahead of him already did it.
Here Ill update my thread from a YEAR ago when I had already had the JHM turbos on my car for several months. I was told when I got them to keep this off line. But you can read my posts unedited and see that this year I already had popped in saying that I have a set and was going to tear them down.
I have consumed no koolaide, I know what I know and I also know what I don’t know. I’m not taking any sides. I keep hearing that Jhm has had these for years, I believe that. I also happen to know that dxc has been fucking with these for years.
I will reiterate in different wording, everyone is bending the truth, everyone thinks they are being legit. It’s fucking stupid and annoying at this point.
Im with you I thjink all this is bad for the B5 but lets be honest. We have proof that JHM has had this for years. We know dxc has talked about this for years. there is a big difference here.
dxc and his stroy has changed with the tide. I don’t know how any one can take someone who showed up to the party 2 years and 2 moths to late with nothing more then claims and weak ass statments as serious… OH actually I do know. Its the B5 and its now a collection of 18-24 year old kids who think knocking off parts is “Advancement” the people that believe in this crap are jujut looking for a cheap part hope. Snow you of anyone know it takes real money and real parts to make a real product.
JHM has done proven and had
dxc has talked…talked…and talked… and then shown up late like a drunk ex saying how she was prom queen before she got ugly.
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