JHM Stg4 clutch + SS trio review + other stuff (long)

I thought I’d run through some of my mods, especially since I just got one of the big ones done, a stage 4 JHM clutch.

Mods:

  • Piggies (thanks, saki)
  • Magnaflow 2.5" exhaust
  • JHM Stage 4 Clutch kit and LWFW
  • JHM short shifter trio
  • 034 transmission mount (street density)
  • CF trim (thanks 91)
  • not tuned
  • everything else is stock (wheels, brakes, suspension)

Exhaust & Piggies
The exhaust and piggies were a boon for low end torque. There is drone at about 1800 rpm and again at about 3100 rpm. This seemed to settle - I guess one could call it “break-in”. The only other V8 S4 exhaust I’ve heard was saki’s FI/catless DP combo which sounded better. The FI IMO is more refined. But at about $725 all in, the Magnaflow was irresistible and opinion seemed to be in favour of its 2.5" X-pipe design.

My clutch took a shit about 3 weeks ago. Big clunk and the left pedal stayed down. I was trying to sneak in a left turn at speed (car fully warmed up) and BOOM! at 4krpm in second gear. Pedal stayed down, engine remained engaged to the wheels, the only way to stop comfortably was to cut power to the engine.

I ordered the clutch and shift kit from JHM - Keaton was very helpful and everything shipped out the same day. They’ve also been great on the email.

The short shifter trio + transmission mount have made the car seem more expensive somehow. It actually feels like a sports car. Shifting is waaay more fun than it used to be. The 1-2 shift is a little tricky when the car is cold. I can’t figure out if it is me or the car taking time to warm up. Probably me. One it’s warm it’s a dream. Precise, nicely weighted, different but not difficult to get into reverse.

The clutch is great although bear in mind I’m comparing my new JHM clutch to this (xpost from pic thread):

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/5295/img20111018170718.jpg

Can’t say I didn’t get every bit of use out of it.

Clutch
All I can say is that the car is infinitely better. The stage 4 clutch is a piece of piss to drive. Ok, I did stall the car the first time I tried to drive it, mainly because of the much lower biting point. But the combination of upgrades has meant that the 1-2 shift is no longer the clunky, jerky affair. The 1-2 shift is much smoother and easier to execute than before. The JHM stage 4 clutch combo is a civilised affair indeed. Have no fear about it being too “grabby” or “racey”. Downshifts are easier too (just regular ones, no blipping yet).

I do have some easily reproduced chatter. At least I think/hope it’s chatter. It’s at 1400rpm and sounds like a bag of rocks. Much like this: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/423817-Aftermarket-(JHM)-clutch-noise-Chatter?s=840b8b8fb8d2e0d195f0770f9b6517fc

I have noticed it also at about 2000rpm in gear when the car is cold. I think it must be the clutch because the noise goes away when I depress the pedal. Is this normal when breaking it in?

I’m starting a 1200km-ish break-in period. What would you suggest as a set of rules for “non aggressive driving”? I’m currently keeping the car under 3000 rpm with nothing approaching WOT. Sticking to pure city driving. I don’t even have a tune let alone a supercharger to tempt me into some lively driving! Even so, the car just feels sportier through the revs.

The car is transformed with these mods but there’s always room for more…

Future wants:

  • Soon: JHM tune, ecodes (if I see a good used set or brave enough to CC my own)
  • Maybe next 1-2 years: sway bar, ?coilovers, control arms, tie rods, 4:1 diff maybe, LW rotors, LW wheels, media upgrade (Dynavin Android vs RNS-e 2010+)
  • ? Next 2-4 years (long time): S/C (VF or PES lol). Headers, built motor when the timing chain components start to go or when I get really bored.

I’m always on the lookout for good used gear.

The car (winter mode):

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1186/dsc0168edit.jpg

Gone but not forgotten (2003 A3 2.0 TDI, I’m a sucker for Dolphin Grey):

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/5512/p1000998g.jpg

Comments/advice sought and always welcomed.

good stuff.

One thing concerns me…

“mainly because of the much lower biting point.”

How much lower? way lower? a little lower? Lots of the bad installs have led to a low engagement point (but it’s quite a lot lower). Hopefully someone with this clutch/flywheel can comment on this.

Too bad you can’t feel the LWFW at work (since you’re not able to go wot yet etc). Dropping 13 lbs off the rotating assembly is pretty awesome, especially at the flywheel. LW rotors felt fantastic. Car just ripped. LWFW must feel the same.

Prob about 2 in lower if I had to guess. What does it mean if it’s too low? Having said that it might just be my misjudgment and crap clutch control having ridden a bike and driving the gti for 2 weeks.

Otherwise :’(

I’m sure it’s fine.

someone will pipe up. Must suck having to go easy. You should have gotten tuned while the car was down. tsk tsk.

haha the engagement point is lower because your stock clutch was shot! Mine is lower than my old worn stock clutch too, so it will just take some time to get used to.

During break in I just drove the car like a civilized human being. I did get on it a few times but I made sure to never shift at a high RPM. Just the occasional 2nd gear pull.

Beat me to it Joe. your lower because you now have all that extra material on your clutch to grab instead of just rivets. also when your old clutch would slip a bit (judging by the condition of it) where it was actually touching made it where your foot would be farther out tell it felt like it was biting. where you JHM one is just biting a lot closer to where it probably originally was when the car was new. (did that make any damn sense ???) Man I still wish I would have got the Stage 4 instead of the Stage 3. I don’t track very often so I know its all in my head and I don’t really need it… o well.

Thanks for the replies, that makes sense.

[quote=“audivoodoo,post:6,topic:2867”]
I’d read a few comments like this which influenced my decision. So while it sucks to be the guy left wondering, thank you for posting up this sort of thing as your opinions help out a lot when making these purchase decisions.

[quote=“sakimano,post:4,topic:2867”]
I thought about it but can wait. It’s ok.

I’d say 3 vs. 4 isn’t a big difference

in other JHM clutch news, ngng is at it again, acting as beluga/subliminal image’s blowhorn . Started an angry ‘clutch failure’ thread on quattroworld. Is it me, or is it weird that ngng’s friends and ngng himself are the only ones who ‘shear bolts’ and have huge problems with this part? Of the hundreds of LWFW/STG3or4 setups sold, I’ve seen like 5 fail. 2 are ngng, 2 are beluga and then that one guy from SoCal who’s Porsche shop fucked up the install (and admitted their guilt and compensated the customer who had to go all the way to JHM in NorCal for them to tear his trans out to show him what they did.

i called him on that. He claims he has “plenty” others with the same story.

someone should ask him who these “plenty” people are so we can go to them directly to get their story…

That thread is already dead though. no replies in the last 24h pretty much.

I just read that thread along with his JHM sucks website. It seems he has 5 clutch failures documented(although “I’ll have to check my notes” lol). I can’t be arsed to register and argue but I didn’t see the logic in blaming installer error for the 1st clutch and then having a go at it yourself for the second clutch. If you’re so good at clutch installs then why not do the first one?

If anyone REALLY wants to know how ngng’s JHM clutch failed…let’s have a look at this video.

Last time I checked, launching from 6500 RPM is NOT the key to longlasting clutch life. For the life of me I can’t remember ANYONE saying this is an advisable way to achieve a good launch. It’s only effective at turning your clutch to a steaming pile of parts on the road behind you.

The fact that this guy is so dumb as to launch this campaign…but to leave this video up on youtube showing the world how he ruins his car parts…well I think that’s all there is to say about ngng.

WHAT-A-FUCKING-TIT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iaADBPDYHA

Good vid to have in this thread actually as for what no to do. I didn’t know what the optimum launch revs were until we went to the track.

I have never destroyed a clutch, but I have been in other people’s cars when they do it. When it comes to heavy duty units you have to drive pretty hard to make a dent on them, or in most cases and all the ones I have first hand experience in… Drive like an idiot. To have 5 clutch failures it is obvious where NGNG’s problems lie.

MAM GAMEBROKEN what truth you said. From what Ive seen this guy is a complete joke. It seems when his failed RS4 (insurance job) and then epic VF build failed to impress the masses that ngng commited sell out fraud and just started to hate the winning team as its abundantly clear he isn’t on.

Ive ben with guys in big domestic hp cars that have destroyed the clutch and its just like any other parts. They can brake but you have to have no idea on how to use them to brake them.

If the guy broke 1 clutch then that would make me think ok… bad clutch… Then two brake two clutches that starts getting to maybe there are some issues. Claiming you broke more then 2 when JHM has sold who knows how many clutches… lol then as gamebraker said. It might be time to look at yourself and say you are the one that sucks.

Bumping this old thread to say that this clutch is the business in combination with the launch assist in the JHM tune. Absolutely solid and reproducible results and stock driveability whether launching full bore down the 1320 or cruising home through rural Ontario on a sunny evening. Saki had a quick go with it around the car park and also commented on how like stock it is.

I drove this car for a bit and it felt like stock. I was surprised…thought it’d feel more aftermarkety.

YOU FOCKER! I was reading this like why the eff is he going to the track with a new clutch? Then I got to your post explaining why you bumped it and felt dumb…lol

:smiley:

You jest but there’s someone on QW with a brand new clutch trying to get it broken in for a track day…

lol yup

I think he’s going to the road course and the dragstrip

cut to him launching at 6500 rpm and grenading the clutch…then complaining with his buddies backing him up. ngng should get a page ready on his site.

I should have taken the time to try that SS and stg 3 clutch yesterday!

my car smells like burning today…

Think the clutch might still be suffering from those 17 launches !!!