Looks nice...but does 3" make sense? Custom RS4 exhaust

B6/7 S4/RS4
#18

On the 3" exhaust, I have seen a few people talk about this being a very good setup for supercharged cars like the TTS or probably the AMD setup, not sure on AMD, just a guess. But as with most any exhaust, just slapping it on without a tune to take advantage of it is retarded. I am sure that my JHM setup was not going to put down 360/293 by itself. And the tune alone was not going to put down 360/293 alone. So if the guy who says it felt like a Milltek, just popped it on and expected instant results above and beyond a Milltek, he found out quick thats not the case.

As far as a 3" on an NA car, based on things I have heard from AMD, this car is optimal with a 2.75" for NA. When going up to a 3", you still have the issue that the header pipes are only 2.5" anyways. Also I think there is something to be said about maintaining velocities in the exhaust. With cooling, contraction of exhaust gases, and uniform oversized pipes, this could have something to do with why its not getting as much as say a 2.75" system. Maybe it stalls and causes pressure waves. With a supercharger though, there is alot more air flowing in and exhaust flowing out of the car.

$5-$6k seems high. JHM was not this much, and thats with the x-pipe, the hot swap cats and test pipes.

I have a tentative buyer for my setup. He is in the UK though. Shipping is a bear. I am working with him on it, but we also need to wait for Ben’s setup. Hoping it is here in a couple weeks. Also I told him the shipping costs and he may be second guessing it. Not cheap, and thats cutting it in half right before the mufflers to pack tighter. We will see what happens. i have someone else more local (seattle) interested as well, but we shall see if he is really interested or just talking about it.

Lastly, guys cmon, the time slip thing is getting old. Stop beating on people or dead horses. I am sure swesna ran a good run, we all know 12.75 is possible. I am sure he did something close to that. Disparaging it will not change the fact thats what he claimed, and without a time slip its just a claim, unverified as everyone knows Leave it at that. Its doing nobody any good beating on this every thread. its not like we are awarding trophies or money here. If he said he did high 12’s, and it is possible for a stock car, then I see no reason why he didn’t. Its just not a time of record for “official” tracking.

#19

We have no problem with people claiming good times Mick, Its just when someone who is full of shit claimes MID 12’s, a second later gets called out and then edits his original post with HIGH 12’s… thats when we have a problem.

We just hate liars >:(

Thats the only reason were on his case… either provide the slip or come clean.

#20

Yes, exactly, $5-6k is right on par for our cost making the first exhaust. You can’t ever get it right the first time and it almost always takes multiple revisions to get it perfect. We are on revision 3 now and are happy with the fitment.

#21

Are high 12s not obtainable on my stock RS4…I think NOT. My first pass was in the 13s but once I got use to laughing the car I was able to run high 12s. As I said this was just for me to get a baseline prior to me performing some future mods. This was not for me to get on the list you maintain on this forum. Pls dont hate on me.

#22

Do you really not have the slip?? This is like MNF…come on man!!

#23

I just don’t get it, Mr. Wesna.

Giving you the b e n e f i t of the doubt… let’s say you did run high 12’s. And you want a baseline prior to performing some future mods. Which is great. So you perform some mods. A nice EBwerks exhaust and an EPL tune. And you run again. Low 12’s. Which is great. “Well done, sweansa, great run and great to see those mods are working out for you.” Except I wouldn’t say that. Because I have NO IDEA what you ran stock.

You are of course entitled to keep your business to yourself but DO NOT come here and post “I ran mid, ahem I mean high 12’s.” You can keep your results to yourself but what good does that do the community as a whole. That makes you a leech, a scab, someone who just takes without returning anything to the community.

No matter how small, most people here have contributed something, whether it’s a 1/4 mile time (see the list), a dyno (codrepl and his recent dyno was quite informative) or even just a good video to watch (e.g. jspazz’s GoPro footage). It’s all useful. If you think your stock time isn’t useful to the community, then that’s just selfish IMO.

If you’re just trolling, you’ve had your fun, you’ve destroyed any credibility you may have had. I don’t care if you keep posting here, but you’re just irrelevant and pointless either way.

TL;DR post the slip.

#24

oh shit…zach just bring the fucking carbon fiber hood back to NJ and paint it DG then i can put it on my car where it belongs.

#25

They are obtainable! Saki proved that!

Just in case you forgot the BS lie you tried to send off here…

You “CLAIMING” you went mid 12’s before you retracted when you got called out…

http://i46.tinypic.com/2vskco5.jpg

So how fast did you run exactly?

Funny this is you calling BS on bad(driver)blueRS4 on QW for not having a slip (it blew out the window)

Then you come in here NO slip… you said it yourself… those numbers are hard to remember… Unless you didnt go, and are going as vague as “high 12’s” since thats what the platform can do.

http://i47.tinypic.com/k1aqnk.jpg

News flash Swensa… just beacuase the platform CAN go that fast… doesnt mean YOU went that fast!

Saki ran 12.9 with the same mod list as my S4… But i ran 13.1 … not 12.9 cause im not Saki.

YOUR not Saki! you never ran “high 12’s”

#26

Just read some more stuff, and it looks like the 3" being better for the TTS SC setup is also a myth. I read somewhere int eh past that it may be a good thing, but looks like the guys in the UK are reporting it doesn’t do squat, in fact it hurt the car. I believe (I am 99% sure i recall this correctly) that the reason they went 2.75" was that 3" was detrimental to a normally aspirated RS4.

XLR8 threw up that system and said “it appears to be much more powerful across the band” but they provided nothing to validate it. So I would take it with a grain of salt. With the JHM setup and EBWerks exhaust, they have shown excellent gains on Dyno. And more results to come soon on both.

#27

sorry, what? I’m saving up? What am I a little kid trying to buy a comic? Swesna you’re retarded. . I have said that (as I did with my b7 s4) I wanted to enjoy the car stock for a while, including trying to get the fastest stock time.

anyway why would I want to buy mick’s exhaust?

  1. He and ben freely admitted it had seen some abuse from being slammed
  2. Mick was asking, as near as makes no difference, full retail
  3. Why would I enter ANY transaction with mick. I think I’d be more likely to roll my dice on ngng, a guaranteed thief, then to send mick thousands of my dollars. Why would I support a guy who has gone out of his way to trash me on these forums? Who has trashed me behind my back to friends of mine and who has gone as far as to threaten their business with bad press just because I’m a supporter of theirs. To quote D.L. Hughley…“You must be out yo gad damn mind.”

Now post your timeslip or beat it… Everyone knows you’re lying…so basically I’m just suggesting you beat it.

p.s. This doesnt mean mick needs to fuck off. He’s actually a pretty honest guy who contributes lots of good info to the platform. Frankly I will just steer clear of him whenever possible…but swesna…you are nothing. I mean nothing. . If you leave and never come back here, will anyone miss you? Will anyone care?

#28

1: I asked $2900 for the full setup. Thats $1500 off what it costs from JHM when they were making it. Not even close to full retail.

2: This exhaust is not at all abused. i said I have scraped a couple times, and this was on the V band at test pipe. That is the only place there is any sign of scrapes on the system. The tubing, the cats, the test pipes, the downpipes are all at or near perfect condition, aside form some dirt and heat discoloration. Also I am not slammed. i am a bit lower than i like, and a bit lower than I originally set the car to because new spring settled, but slammed I am not. 25" ride height is only about 1" lower than stock. And I plan on going back up 3/8".

3: I always deal honestly and go out of my way to make sure any transaction i do is perfect, and I always give full option to return if something is not as advertised. I don’t screw people, ever. I have never “gone out of my way” to trash you, I have argued with you and I tend to have different opinions of things than you and I am vocal. But I also tend to be the one that drops arguments long before you do. I don’t post pics of people without their permission, and I am now in a full mode of keeping things from being personal. I have gotten caught up in arguments in the past, but its not worth my time or energy anymore. Either you like what i have to contribute or you don’t. i can live with it either way, but I am no longer going to be in the business of telling people they are wrong with whatever they want to do. I am done with the drama. I just want to share info on my personal experiences on the RS4 with people and help out where I can. I am going out of my way to ignore the arguments.

#29

I won’t miss swesna. Everything he says is garbage. Lol @ the part about you needing to save up to get the exhaust. Yeah…middle aged guy with two nice Audi’s in the stable needs to save his pennies for an exhaust system

#30

oh shit…zach just bring the fucking carbon fiber hood back to NJ and paint it DG then i can put it on my car where it belongs.
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Why the agressive response…? And why does the hood belong on your car? Hah.

You were asking these guys to stop the hating for no time slip, and I thought that was funy as you know how to fix the problem… Unless you don’t have it…just show it!!!

#31

Wait…am I really middle aged motherfucker?

And mick, as I said I think you’ve contributed lots of good stuff to the rs4 world. I just won’t buy stuff from you. The ngng reference was to show that I’d give money away to a surefire theft from him before buying from you. Not for dishonesty, just out of principle. If what you did wasn’t going out of your way…well I guess we have a different definition of the term.

You being slammed and the exhaust scraping in 3 locations was a quote from ben. I’ve never seen your car.

Zmon swesna doesnt have a slip.

If you go to the strip you know your time…you don’t say a ballpartk…you say the time. You don’t then realise the made up ballpark you said (mid 12s) is good enough that people will want to see it, then say you ran something more believable in hopes they’d leave you alone. Because you would also know that you just commtted a forum sin…lying about a timeslip lol.

Smegma’s name is shot.

#32

lok. I couldn’t resist. You are the sum of me and Ben’s age

#33

i am not telling you to buy it, thats your deal, but just wanted to clarify that your statements of price, condition are very inaccurate.

#34

Tell ben?

He’s saying that’s one of your big reasons for getting his exhaust.

Price…what is retail? 3000 for catback + downpipes can’t be far off can it?

#35

Not accurate joe. Didn’t your ME program have some math pre-req?

#36

That comment by bango is extra relevant when you considering the following.

[quote=smegma/swesna]i surely am not going to rush when i do this at the end of the month.
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That was from TypeRx/KSMYRS4’s carbon clean thread over on QW. Sounds like swesna is planning a carbon clean…thus he ran mid12s or high 12s or whatever he’s claiming with a bone stock fully carboned up car. Adds some interesting info to the ‘carbon buildup kills performance’ debate…although not provable since he has no timeslip.

Wonder what mick thinks about his times? He and swesna are buddies who chat offline.

#37

Like I said, JHM exhaust with full downpipes and test pipes ran me $4400, but this was also the first exhaust of this configuration, so it may have eventually been less costly.

Without the test pipes, with one piece downpipes, it was listed as $3500, I got the whole setup initially before I dropped more to get the test pipes for $4000 including the tune, cut me a bit of a deal there and saved me about $200.

There are several reasons I buy an exhaust, in order of importance:
1: Power
2: Configuration (can I swap cats for test pipes?)
3: Sound
4: Fit
5: Finish (looks good at the tips)
6: Noise (different from sound in that its how loud it is, not the quality of the sound)

As you can see for me, fit is less of a concern, but thats within reason. I don;t expect shit to be hanging down to scrape everywhere i go, and I don;t expect twisted mufflers, etc. But given stock, i expect fit to be as good as that. JHM is as good as stock in terms of fit. I scraped my flexes on the stock setup. I don’t scrape flexes on the JHM setup, but I do scrape the V band on the JHM when going over a really large speed bump or into a nasty driveway. But I woudl have scraped stock there too.

Ben’s is a bit more tucked away than the JHM, so it will be an improvement, but its not that critical to me. Power is tops.

On my JHM setup, the places where I think Ben is referencing me touching in 3 places are as follows:
#1: Passenger side V band scraped the ground a couple times on nasty driveway in Hood River at the condo.
#2: Right and left muffler slightly rub up inside on the bottom of the heat shield either during startup or other modes that give low frequency vibration and large amounts of displacement. Very very minor. Nothing to do with scraping the ground.
#3: Near the large bend where the cross brace spacers out the two exhaust pipes, there is a small rub on the upper outside where it has slightly touched the heat shield at one time, but it it not touching now. It was again a very slight contact, just a bit of a rub. Again nothing to do with scraping the ground.