Looks nice...but does 3" make sense? Custom RS4 exhaust

B6/7 S4/RS4
#23

I just don’t get it, Mr. Wesna.

Giving you the b e n e f i t of the doubt… let’s say you did run high 12’s. And you want a baseline prior to performing some future mods. Which is great. So you perform some mods. A nice EBwerks exhaust and an EPL tune. And you run again. Low 12’s. Which is great. “Well done, sweansa, great run and great to see those mods are working out for you.” Except I wouldn’t say that. Because I have NO IDEA what you ran stock.

You are of course entitled to keep your business to yourself but DO NOT come here and post “I ran mid, ahem I mean high 12’s.” You can keep your results to yourself but what good does that do the community as a whole. That makes you a leech, a scab, someone who just takes without returning anything to the community.

No matter how small, most people here have contributed something, whether it’s a 1/4 mile time (see the list), a dyno (codrepl and his recent dyno was quite informative) or even just a good video to watch (e.g. jspazz’s GoPro footage). It’s all useful. If you think your stock time isn’t useful to the community, then that’s just selfish IMO.

If you’re just trolling, you’ve had your fun, you’ve destroyed any credibility you may have had. I don’t care if you keep posting here, but you’re just irrelevant and pointless either way.

TL;DR post the slip.

#24

oh shit…zach just bring the fucking carbon fiber hood back to NJ and paint it DG then i can put it on my car where it belongs.

#25

They are obtainable! Saki proved that!

Just in case you forgot the BS lie you tried to send off here…

You “CLAIMING” you went mid 12’s before you retracted when you got called out…

http://i46.tinypic.com/2vskco5.jpg

So how fast did you run exactly?

Funny this is you calling BS on bad(driver)blueRS4 on QW for not having a slip (it blew out the window)

Then you come in here NO slip… you said it yourself… those numbers are hard to remember… Unless you didnt go, and are going as vague as “high 12’s” since thats what the platform can do.

http://i47.tinypic.com/k1aqnk.jpg

News flash Swensa… just beacuase the platform CAN go that fast… doesnt mean YOU went that fast!

Saki ran 12.9 with the same mod list as my S4… But i ran 13.1 … not 12.9 cause im not Saki.

YOUR not Saki! you never ran “high 12’s”

#26

Just read some more stuff, and it looks like the 3" being better for the TTS SC setup is also a myth. I read somewhere int eh past that it may be a good thing, but looks like the guys in the UK are reporting it doesn’t do squat, in fact it hurt the car. I believe (I am 99% sure i recall this correctly) that the reason they went 2.75" was that 3" was detrimental to a normally aspirated RS4.

XLR8 threw up that system and said “it appears to be much more powerful across the band” but they provided nothing to validate it. So I would take it with a grain of salt. With the JHM setup and EBWerks exhaust, they have shown excellent gains on Dyno. And more results to come soon on both.

#27

sorry, what? I’m saving up? What am I a little kid trying to buy a comic? Swesna you’re retarded. . I have said that (as I did with my b7 s4) I wanted to enjoy the car stock for a while, including trying to get the fastest stock time.

anyway why would I want to buy mick’s exhaust?

  1. He and ben freely admitted it had seen some abuse from being slammed
  2. Mick was asking, as near as makes no difference, full retail
  3. Why would I enter ANY transaction with mick. I think I’d be more likely to roll my dice on ngng, a guaranteed thief, then to send mick thousands of my dollars. Why would I support a guy who has gone out of his way to trash me on these forums? Who has trashed me behind my back to friends of mine and who has gone as far as to threaten their business with bad press just because I’m a supporter of theirs. To quote D.L. Hughley…“You must be out yo gad damn mind.”

Now post your timeslip or beat it… Everyone knows you’re lying…so basically I’m just suggesting you beat it.

p.s. This doesnt mean mick needs to fuck off. He’s actually a pretty honest guy who contributes lots of good info to the platform. Frankly I will just steer clear of him whenever possible…but swesna…you are nothing. I mean nothing. . If you leave and never come back here, will anyone miss you? Will anyone care?

#28

1: I asked $2900 for the full setup. Thats $1500 off what it costs from JHM when they were making it. Not even close to full retail.

2: This exhaust is not at all abused. i said I have scraped a couple times, and this was on the V band at test pipe. That is the only place there is any sign of scrapes on the system. The tubing, the cats, the test pipes, the downpipes are all at or near perfect condition, aside form some dirt and heat discoloration. Also I am not slammed. i am a bit lower than i like, and a bit lower than I originally set the car to because new spring settled, but slammed I am not. 25" ride height is only about 1" lower than stock. And I plan on going back up 3/8".

3: I always deal honestly and go out of my way to make sure any transaction i do is perfect, and I always give full option to return if something is not as advertised. I don’t screw people, ever. I have never “gone out of my way” to trash you, I have argued with you and I tend to have different opinions of things than you and I am vocal. But I also tend to be the one that drops arguments long before you do. I don’t post pics of people without their permission, and I am now in a full mode of keeping things from being personal. I have gotten caught up in arguments in the past, but its not worth my time or energy anymore. Either you like what i have to contribute or you don’t. i can live with it either way, but I am no longer going to be in the business of telling people they are wrong with whatever they want to do. I am done with the drama. I just want to share info on my personal experiences on the RS4 with people and help out where I can. I am going out of my way to ignore the arguments.

#29

I won’t miss swesna. Everything he says is garbage. Lol @ the part about you needing to save up to get the exhaust. Yeah…middle aged guy with two nice Audi’s in the stable needs to save his pennies for an exhaust system

#30

oh shit…zach just bring the fucking carbon fiber hood back to NJ and paint it DG then i can put it on my car where it belongs.
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Why the agressive response…? And why does the hood belong on your car? Hah.

You were asking these guys to stop the hating for no time slip, and I thought that was funy as you know how to fix the problem… Unless you don’t have it…just show it!!!

#31

Wait…am I really middle aged motherfucker?

And mick, as I said I think you’ve contributed lots of good stuff to the rs4 world. I just won’t buy stuff from you. The ngng reference was to show that I’d give money away to a surefire theft from him before buying from you. Not for dishonesty, just out of principle. If what you did wasn’t going out of your way…well I guess we have a different definition of the term.

You being slammed and the exhaust scraping in 3 locations was a quote from ben. I’ve never seen your car.

Zmon swesna doesnt have a slip.

If you go to the strip you know your time…you don’t say a ballpartk…you say the time. You don’t then realise the made up ballpark you said (mid 12s) is good enough that people will want to see it, then say you ran something more believable in hopes they’d leave you alone. Because you would also know that you just commtted a forum sin…lying about a timeslip lol.

Smegma’s name is shot.

#32

lok. I couldn’t resist. You are the sum of me and Ben’s age

#33

i am not telling you to buy it, thats your deal, but just wanted to clarify that your statements of price, condition are very inaccurate.

#34

Tell ben?

He’s saying that’s one of your big reasons for getting his exhaust.

Price…what is retail? 3000 for catback + downpipes can’t be far off can it?

#35

Not accurate joe. Didn’t your ME program have some math pre-req?

#36

That comment by bango is extra relevant when you considering the following.

[quote=smegma/swesna]i surely am not going to rush when i do this at the end of the month.
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That was from TypeRx/KSMYRS4’s carbon clean thread over on QW. Sounds like swesna is planning a carbon clean…thus he ran mid12s or high 12s or whatever he’s claiming with a bone stock fully carboned up car. Adds some interesting info to the ‘carbon buildup kills performance’ debate…although not provable since he has no timeslip.

Wonder what mick thinks about his times? He and swesna are buddies who chat offline.

#37

Like I said, JHM exhaust with full downpipes and test pipes ran me $4400, but this was also the first exhaust of this configuration, so it may have eventually been less costly.

Without the test pipes, with one piece downpipes, it was listed as $3500, I got the whole setup initially before I dropped more to get the test pipes for $4000 including the tune, cut me a bit of a deal there and saved me about $200.

There are several reasons I buy an exhaust, in order of importance:
1: Power
2: Configuration (can I swap cats for test pipes?)
3: Sound
4: Fit
5: Finish (looks good at the tips)
6: Noise (different from sound in that its how loud it is, not the quality of the sound)

As you can see for me, fit is less of a concern, but thats within reason. I don;t expect shit to be hanging down to scrape everywhere i go, and I don;t expect twisted mufflers, etc. But given stock, i expect fit to be as good as that. JHM is as good as stock in terms of fit. I scraped my flexes on the stock setup. I don’t scrape flexes on the JHM setup, but I do scrape the V band on the JHM when going over a really large speed bump or into a nasty driveway. But I woudl have scraped stock there too.

Ben’s is a bit more tucked away than the JHM, so it will be an improvement, but its not that critical to me. Power is tops.

On my JHM setup, the places where I think Ben is referencing me touching in 3 places are as follows:
#1: Passenger side V band scraped the ground a couple times on nasty driveway in Hood River at the condo.
#2: Right and left muffler slightly rub up inside on the bottom of the heat shield either during startup or other modes that give low frequency vibration and large amounts of displacement. Very very minor. Nothing to do with scraping the ground.
#3: Near the large bend where the cross brace spacers out the two exhaust pipes, there is a small rub on the upper outside where it has slightly touched the heat shield at one time, but it it not touching now. It was again a very slight contact, just a bit of a rub. Again nothing to do with scraping the ground.

#38

That was from TypeRx/KSMYRS4’s carbon clean thread over on QW. Sounds like swesna is planning a carbon clean…thus he ran mid12s or high 12s or whatever he’s claiming with a bone stock fully carboned up car. Adds some interesting info to the ‘carbon buildup kills performance’ debate…although not provable since he has no timeslip.

Wonder what mick thinks about his times? He and swesna are buddies who chat offline.
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I haven’t talked to swesna about 1/4 mile runs on or offline. I have chatted with him on service stuff, aftermarket parts, carbon cleans. And he is a great guy!

I am strongly in the camp that carbon buildup affects performance. If you look at every before and after dyno known to the RS4, its a clear case of it having affects on the power. But it is to varying degrees, and does not seem to be tied to mileage since last clean. Could be gas, could be driving style, but regardless, to some extent, carbon buildup will affect performance. I saw on my car a before dyno of 280hp and an after dyno of 318hp (38whp), same dyno, same conditions, same car setup at 24k miles on the car (1st carbon clean). Second dyno set was a bit different because of mods, but was 298hp to 328hp (30whp). Also this one was done on two different dynos and in slightly different conditions, and involved 3k miles on the car after clean before the second dyno, so I don’t think its very reliable data, which is why i never speak to it. But it still shows that after 14k miles buildup takes a toll. I have seen some before and after dynos in excess of 60whp recovery! You can’t say that has no affect.

The other thing I point to is that I was doing 1/4 mile runs and could never get better than 104mph or 13.3 until i did a carbon clean. Then I magically got 106.9 and 13.1. nothing changed with my 60’ time (aways between 1.95 to 2.2 secs), nothing changed with my shifting or mods. It was purely the carbon. I know we also run 2 octane less in Oregon vs Canada, for premium, so that has an affect. Maybe on buildup potential, certainly in making runs.

#39

All good info.

How about your logging runs? That’d be a nice easy way to see carbon vs. clean delta without the dragstrip pressure/gear changes being thrown in the mix.

Also, as you mentioned your 92 situation…octane is very important to the Rs4. JNAUT, a Florida car with a bunch of LW mods (JHM LW rotors all around, and JHM LW flywheel + a clutchmasters clutch of some sort) and gutted 2.5" downpipes…but no tune and no catback mod just went to the strip in Palm Beach. He was maybe down 100 lbs overall weight with some lightweight seats. He ran a mix of 93 + 109 octane fuel, and went 12.26 @ 112.98. No lift shifting the whole way, launched hard, good driver, good track.

You should check out the B7 Rs4 quarter mile thread mick. Lots of ammo there for the next time you get attacked by B8 S4 fanboys on quattroworld (since Revlis Suva won’t be there to back you up like last time lol).

#40

I have many 3k-8k logs in 3rd gear, same conditions, location, etc, also showing the affects of carbon buildup and cleaning:

Before Carbon Clean:
Date 1/30/11
Est. Test Weigth 3910
Temp 50
Altitude 380
Barometric 30.15
DewPoint 45
Humidity 89
Wind calm
Low End Peak TQ 408
Hi End Peak TQ 396.8
Peak IAT 36
Peak MAF 151.4
Max Timing N/A -11.8
3k Timestamp 8.53
8k Timestamp 16.86
Span 8.33
Mileage 39219

After Carbon Clean:
Date 3/11/11
Est. Test Weigth 3897
Temp 54
Altitude 380
Barometric 29.96
DewPoint 37
Humidity 76
Wind calm
Low End Peak TQ 426.3
Hi End Peak TQ 414.5
Peak IAT 42
Peak MAF 163.58
Max Timing N/A -0.8
3k Timestamp 16.41
8k Timestamp 24.46
Span 8.05
Mileage 40970
The only other difference in the car between these two tests was the existence of the LWFW, which is why the car is slightly lighter by 17lbs. However the contribution of the LWFW to the time gains here in 3rd gear are minimal. i have another test of the car with the LWFW and pre-carbon clean and it did 8.27 (vs 8.33), but the temps on that day were alot lower outside, so I don’t think for this type of test the LWFW had any bearing.

So in summary, essentially going from dirty to clean with 14k miles of buildup, i dropped .28 seconds in similar conditions by getting a clean. Also you will notice the peak TQ numbers went up significantly, the timing pulled went way down, and the MAF value went up as well, despite my IAT being worse on the post clean run by 6 deg C.

I also have trended MAF values along with carbon cleans, its amazing how the decay of MAF coincides with buildup. Right after clean I run around 163 g/s, and decay to about 150 g/s right before a clean. Latest data Last March 25th, i was down to 153.11 g/s and timing was back up to 12.5 degrees pulled. Which is why I am in for a carbon clean right now. I will do a pull next weekend when i have the car back and I expect it to be back to 163’ish MAF and close to 0 degrees timing pull, just like the last couple of carbon cleans.

#41

BTW my next set of logs, i will do one with the car setup as is, weighing in at about 3720lbs. Last run i did pre-carbon clean, that was the car weight. Then I will put in the new seats, pull the rears, get the car to ~3540lbs, and do another run. Last run I did 7.33 seconds 3k-8k. Run before with slightly less carbon buildup and 3k less miles on the car, I did 7.29 seconds. I expect the be at or around 7.15 seconds after carbon clean, and then I expect to crack into the 6’s when i switch seats, remove rears. So think about that, a stock clean car does 8.5 seconds from 3k-8k. This car tuned and full exhaust, and lightened by 400+ lbs should go more than 1.5 seconds faster. Thats a ton. All on 92 pump gas.

Which means I should be able to get very close to 12.0 in the 1/4 mile if I can drive it decent. on 92 octane.

#42

How do you measure the 3k8k…the vagcom time. If you’re tuned, that may be different to stock time.