LSD, Center Diff Come teach me

I saw this on fourtitude and thought it was pretty cool
http://fourtitude.com/news/video/audi-s4-rear-limited-slip-differential-powerslides-drifts/

And ive always notice JHM’s 4:1 center diff

As far as LSD go would this mod work in the B7 as well? Would it work for my car being a TIP?

Do you choose between a LSD or JHM CD?

Trying to learn about this as much as possible. The one thing that was keeping me from the JHM center diff was handling in the snow. Does anyone have expierence on how much it changes? I love the way it handles snow now and wouldnt want to change it too much. Appreciate the feedback.

I think JHM has some stuff in the works.

But my thought process is…why fuck with shit that isn’t broke?
You don’t purchase an Audi with quattro to do burnouts and drift, if your into that then go buy a car for that purpose.

I don’t see it working like you hope in a TIP car.

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The fortitude article is more talk then tech and shomgrown is a big b5 troll that is on his 4th user name. His original was c osburg or who knows can’t even keep track anymore.

When a b5 guy gives you a review it’s best you laugh it off and give it no merrit. The b5 guys think the cup holder mod will give you 60hp. Also figure any mods to a 15 year old car won’t be part for part as one part has hundreds of thousands of miles on it and the tolerance difference between them alone witll make a difference.

For us automatic guys we would see a difference with a center diff. I have one of the first ones from JHM in my car your only going to really see the difference when your able to overcome the limits of traction.

We have a really well balanced car given the bulky automatic. Of your looking for more rear end fun the 4:1 is it. Turn off the ESP or the car will be smart enough to save your tail happy adventures from happening.

Our LSD is bad ass on the B6-B7 S4.

http://jhmotorsports.com/shop/catalog/jhm-helical-rear-limited-slip-differential-lsd-for-b6-b7-a4-s4-manual-transmission-p-1888.html

Will be doing an official release soon!

Thanks for the info. Have you driven in the snow with it? if so how does it compare to when it was stock?

Euroswagr I more looking for something to help in the corners and give a little more oversteer per sey. Not for drifting and burnouts. For instance my father has a TTS and after he put the Haldex on the car it was so much more fun in the corners. Im considering something like that BUT don’t want to lose my driveability in the snow. I saw the LSD article and never even explored that option before so I thought I would ask.

I have gone down this road in my manual S4 and it does make a big difference. My car became a lot more fun to drive and that was with mostly a stock engine since the only other mods were stiff mounts and JHM LWFW/stage 4 clutch. Man that seems like forever ago now.

I didn’t drive the car much in snow that way but I have driven it now with a bunch more power (after adding the SC) and the back end likes to get squirly. It is very control able though unless you get really stupid and keep your foot to the floor.

You can do both the center 4:1 diff and a rear LSD for a really rear bias shift. Jake linked to the manual trans version of their rear diff so here is the automatic trans version.

http://jhmotorsports.com/shop/catalog/jhm-helical-rear-limited-slip-differential-lsd-for-b6-b7-s4-auto-tip-transmission-p-2535.html

That is a great price by the way. My Wavetrac unit was $1,295 for example.

So, if you were to go with one or the other which would you choose? I have been tossing around the idea of throwing in the 4:1 this winter when I do my timing service, dp’s, tune, etc.

I wouldn’t think that the 4:1 would make too much of a difference in the snow, if I am not mistaken the RS4 has it and all I have heard are good things about it in the snow.

The 4:1 center diff makes a minor difference.
The rear LSD makes a major difference.
The cost difference also matches the differences in performance. $350 or $400 to $795.

I would do the rear LSD over the 4:1 center.

I’m pretty sure all 06+ S4s have the 4:1 center too. I’m not sure of a VIN split or anything though.

When you are turning, you’d like the inner wheel to spin slower than the outer one. Passive mechanical LSD’s are speed equalizing, in that they force the inner wheel to spin the same as the outer, so when you are trying to corner a LSD can actually cause understeer.

But this is the lesser of the 2 evils, since without an LSD you’d have the inner wheel spinning (magnified if you have weight shift and more traction on outer wheels) and becoming a power sink of sorts. Conventional open diffs are torque equalizing, so the outside wheels puts down whatever the inner slipping wheel is putting down. If a wheel ever goes off the ground, you get get effectively nothing out of that drive axle.

This is why many OEM’s are going towards active torque vectoring clutchpack diffs, where you can pro-actively route torque to the appropriate side of a drive axles without messing with their relative speeds.

An LSD is also great for low-mu situations (ice or snow), where you aren’t trying to turn but instead not get stuck.

For an interesting read check out part of the book on the design of the GT-R/Skyline (page 65 of Nissan GT-R Supercar: Born to Race), not sure how well this link will work: http://books.google.com/books?id=0JWlaTqB8V0C&pg=PA64&lpg=PA64&dq=LSD+cause+understeer&source=bl&ots=8v8erasAbZ&sig=Rix8NYhOf7e0ZlJ5b3qN2ykb9xI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=xQUjVJrnM4OOyASwg4G4BQ&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=LSD%20cause%20understeer&f=false

Since we’re on a subject, what’s the difference between Wavetrac and JHM unit?

Snow driving isn’t effected unless I want it to be. If I turn off the traction control I’m more able to have fun. I still need to do the Scandinavian flick if I want the car tail happy but once it is I can play and control the slide.

Thanks guys really helpful info here. I appreciate all the feedback. Jimmy was great meeting you and slow over the weekend and shooting the shit. look forward to doing it again sometime. Looks like I have some more research to do in terms of which I want to end up with.

That’s a damn good price for that. Is it an off the shelf part or did you guys have to make your own case to adapt to the S4 gear ring?

Yeah that is a great price. Looks like I need to add something to the list.

What do you mean by off the shelf part, like from another car? We had these LSDs made to our specifications.

Installation Note: When replacing the differential, the factory repair manual states that you must check ring gear backlash and bearing pre-load. Our JHM LSD is built to factory tolerances and all the differentials we have swapped at our service facility haven’t required “re-shimming”. However, due to variances in factory tolerances, it is best to make sure that these measurements are checked and confirmed. Additionally, if you do not have the right “bearing splitters” to remove your original bearings with a press, install them on the JHM differential, and correctly inspect for wear or issues you may need to replace the differential bearings. If you have concerns about your tools or your ability to properly inspect and/or disassemble and re-assemble your differential please don’t hesitate to contact us. We can perform all of this work for you if you send us your differential housing.

http://youtu.be/e-9hagqrWkQ
Not for the light hearted^ ;D

So how does this affect slow city driving and acute turns? How does it impact overall driving behaviour when not pushing it and making 90+ degree turns at slow speeds?

On top of this, will this effect esp at all? Will it throw the light more often or less? I would imagine less since the we shouldn’t have just one wheel spin in loose corners or something like that.

Waiting for Jake to wake up and chime in on this thread or the AZ one.