Ams has their own they are making. I bought the srm pulley because I don’t want to wait.
So did apr copy audi, or did audi copy Magnusson etc etc. I mean come on…
Good to hear they are making there own. APR made their own pulley on their research. The SRM pulley is also made.from the APR research. SRM just has no idea what the results of that research was. I’d rather pay the people for their research then those that stole from it.
No one is trolling AMS, most of us had high hopes… But they are just rebadging another companies tune. The comment about apr copying audi is ridiculous because they put work into their sw and hw, didn’t just rebrand something.
not to get in a pissing match, but how do you come to that conclusion? What facts do you have?
You do realize the pulley can only go so small or it hits into the supercharger housing? It has certain parameters that it must have and doesn’t leave much to “not copy”
AMS stated that they were just using epl’s tune, around page 10 IIRC
http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=2240.0
I agree about the pulley, if one comes out that is much different than the rest it’s probably going to have safety/reliability problems lol. It’s like cold air intakes, usually pretty similar just depends who takes the time to build a decent one.
I’d agree about the pulley as well if srm didn’t post a picture of the APR pulley they had for reference. Only to then weeks later have one with the same dimensions as the APR
Just click the subject line to link directly to that post
http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=2240.msg60259#msg60259
Just an FYI, I measured the AWE pulley at 57.15mm on my caliper.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/61KnGUeWQtEkKfOoO6quR-0zXX8Fu35-naaLwDYWsOc=w276-h207-p-no
Stasis also just rebrands other products so this is nothing new.
I think we all can agree that there is only so many ways one can make a supercharger pulley but there has to be proper R&D and also production standards that come into play and APR arguably is one of the best in the VW/Audi arena. AMS will obviously will sell to those who believe in the AMS brand, not because of the R&D behind this product. Their approach to this is frankly a good way to get some skin in the game but it’s a double edged sword in that the product they are slapping their name on may not meet their performance or quality standards and that may hurt them down the road. I am not sure why they didn’t just rebrand APR or GIAC the way stasis did in the beginning. Would have been a much more solid partnership.
…and gets absolutely ZERO respect as a result. Same as here.
Oh for sure… haha!
What I don’t get is why Stasis has so many financial and legal problems (it seems anyway). They seem to have the golden ticket when it comes to the aftermarket. They rebrand products from other manufacturers so no real R&D costs, they put a massive markup on it and they sell through audi dealerships in such a way that the consumer feels like it’s “audi approved” meriting the ridiculously high pricing.
their model is shit.
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ZERO margins. The reason they charge a lot is because they are paying APR 1100 for a tune that they sell for 1500.
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ZERO control. They can’t differentiate from their competition when their competition is the one writing the tune for them. So they end up being a distant, shitty 3rd place (when they were selling the APR lite tune)
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In order to sell this terrible product for a premium price, they offer a piece of shit warranty with it. With that warranty comes costs.
All around it’s a shitty way to do it. Just write a fucking tune already. Life is a lot easier when you do that. If you’re too small to pay for a B8 S4, tuning tools and more important tuning information, get the fuck out of the business.
Vendors invoice of the APR tune was 899, as far as I know, a couple years ago. This was one of their bigger vendors. That’s what it said on my package when it came.
Either way, even if they sold 100-200 stasis v1 tunes (and I’m sure it was more like 300-500), the bigger profit went to APR at the time. Nice deal. Guaranteed the B8 s4 has factored in $2-3mm+ at this point in APRs coffers.
^^^don’t confuse revenue with profit
That was fucking epic…
I cannot stop laughing, the girl with the mans voice and the boy with the girls voice.
Bahahahah
;D ;D ;D
Sounds about right I would hedge to even say less in terms of what stasis was paying.
I also think stasis sold WAY more tunes than that. The numbers I heard tossed around when the B8.5 tunes came out was pretty high as well. They do have quite a few dealers across North America.
Also reputation in the enthusiast community doesn’t matter when you are peddling tunes and various performance upgrades at the dealership especially when they keep pushing its warranty safe.
The thing is stasis could have developed the ultimate drop-ship business that was operated out of some small warehouse with low overhead and been making money hand over fist but that obviously isn’t the case. I would assume “TD1” hit their pocketbook hard however.
The biggest thing is that they are silent throughout this thing and that is a problem.
Are any pulley measurements still needed? i have a GIAC and APR pulley in my possession at the moment.
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LOL! That’s awesome… decisions decisions…
Why both?