Saxon are you going with the EPL/AMS team? If you do will you actually run your car at a strip to get some real data?
Does anyone else see the irony of the gang at EPL tuning a car running SRM hardware, given the connection SRM has to J-Fonz.
It’s good for you the consumer, why would you bitch? Or would you prefer to spend 500 on a $50 pulley.
Srm deals with jfonz but isn’t his partner or anything
I will probably be their first stage 2 but ams documented stage one rather well with time and dyno numbers
What is this handheld flasher I’m hearing about.
I don’t think I was bitching, just pointing out the irony. Nobody at APR or GIAC/AWE claimed their pulley was $500, the $500 includes the stage 2 file. This is where others are saving us monies, they aren’t really charging for the upgraded software
If I bought an Epic or EPL tune I would be shipping my ECU south of the border, ultimately this would end up costing me at least another $150-200 on top of the $1200 Epic charges for their, plus I would need to buy their uploader for further revisions, things start adding up quickly, especially when you factor in currency exchange.
I would have liked to try the custom tune route, but ultimately I am only paying an additional $300 locally to have a safe/reliable GIAC tune. I wish you luck and can’t wait to see your results
I think that’s one of the things that really makes me mad.
If I pay to get my car tuned I shouldn’t have to pay extra for more boost or because I have larger injectors. But because people in the Audi community have paid for those things for years it’s what prior are accustomed to.
I can understand if it’s an upgrade to pay for their time but don’t charge for a stage one and extra for stage two when it’s the same thing
But you’re not getting a “custom” tune, right? You said that EPL/AMS already have Stage 2 tunes.
So, EPL has a stg 1 & 2, only difference the stg 2 APR/GIAC use a smaller pulley and EPL keeps the stock size pulley with stg 2? I think thats what im getting clochner…
But now, since you will be a stg 2 with a smaller pulley, you get a custom tune, correct? Or am I even further out in left field, like bumping into the hotdog stands and shit?
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No, he’s getting the “cheaper” tune… You know the unproven one, with no strip times, logs, etc. From the same company that couldn’t tune a blown RS4, you know the one with all the supposed B5 records… Now I hope he at least is kind enough to log/hit the strip and share the results? His deal the entire time has been about cost and APR/GIAC margins, don’t let him fool you into believing otherwise… Did you really think he was going to drive/send his car somewhere and paid an hourly rate for a custom tune? Not a chance…
Saxon, I saw your post on loggin ?'s on vendorzine… I don’t think you got many replys so if you need help there is a post floating around here and I would be glad to send you some information via email if you need help… You just have to promise to share the logs so we can all see how the tune stacks up… Good luck looking forward to your results…
Yes please send an email to saxonbrian2@yahoo.com
The tune is “of the shelf” until I get the meth installed then I will be doing a remote tune at the dyno of my choice
I also have a giac stage 2 car lined up for a dyno day to see how they compare on the same dyno and day etc
Brian, Just shot you an email… Let me know if you need anything else on logging… really easy once you do it a few times…
After the dyno also do a friendly pull on the road. Tunes can behave a lot differently on a dyno compared to a run on a road.
^^^good point. In fact that was historically the problem with EPL. They make loads of power, but the tune’s driving dynamics suck, and rob the car of acceleration. Keep it in one gear, and sure, they can do pretty well. Bring a gear change into the mix? look out
On the big power B5 cars they tuned, they frankly were batting .000 for cars that could be real world fast. Sure they looked great on the dyno (in one gear) or in a 60-130 pull if they left it in 4th…but make the guy race at speeds under 100 mph and they lost by buslengths.
On the B8 S4, they won’t need to do much to extract gains. They likely left the throttle alone, removed any throttle restrictions in low gears, added a little timing, leaned out AFR a hair and opened the boost bleedoff valve. Basic stuff because the car is so sorted already.
i will start another thread once i get a tune so that we can keep this topic about pulleys
Can I get some clarification here? AMS is letting epl tune for them. So the b8 S4 tunes even tho epl is tuning it’s an AMS tune?
If I have this correct AMS is using epl for the tuning and using a pulley from the people who knocked off the APR pulley?
That was my point earlier, isn’t it ironic, don’t you think
Incredibly ironic. As if the faith in AMS wasn’t already in question. This just makes it worse.