Let me say that I told Dave I was part of the GIAC camp when I saw him at the track. He beat my stg2 car by 2 full seconds. The car was hauling. Full details, his first run was a 10.9, then he tried to do another run and they got mad at him for not having a flamesuit so then they switched drivers , and after that the launch was bogging for them. It went 10.9 and 11.0 and 11.1 from what I can recall. I have a video of the 11.0 . All traps were 124-125mph. I have to give props to dave and the magnason people, they are good guys, with fast cars.
maybe im nit picking here but why did they list the catback exhaust when they didnt have that on the car.
Im excited to see the B8 in the 10s thats a great achevement but without seats a catback and slicks not sure this has a lot of wow factor. Add in we dont know much about the boost or pulley top that off with this motor suposidly is built. Not to sure this is what most of the guys are looking for.
If you ask me. Get a bigger throttle body on primetimes car to help feed the stock blower a little more and he will have the same mph if not more. The ET would be close too I would think
This is just showing how great of a car the B8 is
So gut you car and run slicks…plus $10k to go 1-2nph faster than Primetime
Ditch the TCU tune and run 11.1 Primetime
Or…Looks like Eurocode has a special sauce tcu tune, maybe that will work on your car
First thing is I wonder what EC was really going to post had it not been for this post and danavon7 being there? I bet it’s a whole different post with “other” details… So thanks danavon7!
EC’s write-up is hilarious… “As you all know we have spent tremendous amount of time focusing on this chassis and have competed with it on the road course as well as the drag strip.” Really, you’ve posted twice about 1/4 mile passes back in 2011 and now this… You call that competing? These are fucking test-n-tune days… What a joke…
Then you have this gem… “We are also the first company in the world to build a 3.0TFSI motor with forged internals and have pistons and rods made just for this application.” So did you machine your own pistons and rods? No you fucking bought some off the shelf pistons and rods and put them in a motor, not really much to it… Oh and exactly what does that do for anyone?
Finally this is by far the best… “We are also the inventors of the Alu Kreuz chassis X brace that makes the front end of these cars much tighter which has been copied by others. [drive]” Newsflash you copied Audi and made a beefed up brace, nice product sure, but come on man… Then on top of that you take a shot at 034 even though you copied their parts… Yeah you guys are real pioneers…
The DA was around -500 since they don’t mention that key point… http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-altitude-calculator.php?temperature=55.0&rh=62&altset=30.25&elevation=30&track=132&month=12&day=5&year=2015&time=1:53%20PM
So basically a gutted luxury sedan, running slicks, with a bigger blower and no exhaust runs .5ish faster and traps a little more than 1 mph more than a stage II car that is full weight, street tires and full exhaust and having shifting problems in 500-600 worse DA… Got it… I’d now like to thank Magnuson for NOT letting me purchase this and actually test it on my car. It’s become clear to me at least why I was denied as a tester car, because I’d have actually tested it and posted real world results for weeks straight unlike these other testers(Richi aside whom I’m sure they wish they didn’t sell to)… That probably wouldn’t have helped them sell many but I don’t this this approach will either. My guess is they were hoping to post as little as possible about the car in hopes people wouldn’t find out the real details, which is sad and a scam to the community. I’m betting they had the smaller pulley as well but aren’t mentioning that since no one can prove it!
Wonder what the car would run with 300lbs of interior like it should have, another 30lbs of exhaust like it will have on the street, and street tires? What I don’t wonder is what my car would run gutted, on slicks and with no exhaust… Why don’t I wonder that? Because I don’t give a fuck and would never run like that… But hey props to EC for having the first B8/8.5 S4 in the 10’s.
Finally, nice they show their loyal support to APR by running the AMS cooler setup…
I imagine in full trim it would run right around what you ran right? Something they will probably never do because the results would probably have people shaking their head if they aren’t already.
10.9 is still impressive but now worth the price of admission. I mean who the hell wants to gut an S4, buy slicks and remove the exhaust(plus whatever else is needed) to get 10s?
I totally agree on Richi, but I guess it’s hard to believe multiple businesses would orchestrate a co-ordinated scam like this in order to flog a few stale kits that aren’t moving. And would make their supporters (‘beta testers’) look like liars as well.
It’s seriously hard to believe an ‘established’ business could scam a marketplace like this. Eurocode is in full on pants on fire mode here and somehow APR and Magnuson are along for the ride. It’s really incredible.
As soon as we saw the timeslip, clearly something wasn’t right. Then as soon as we saw the video only showing the backhalf of the track, it was just a matter of time before the truth came out.
Funniest part of this is I read the AZ thread, and lots of times people will post over there basically repeating stuff they read while lurking here.
we did this before with the APR hail mary run
but slicks are going to gain these guys 1 or 1.5 tenths
pulling interior and catback is another tenth and might help by 1 mph
that means around 11.1-11.2 @ 123
If they’re lying about the pulley, you’re back to 11.3 @ 122 or so
as has been said, there will be APR or GIAC tuned 2 pulley cars running those times soon enough.
Arin just shared the EC details on FB as well- so APR is “all in” it appears as well.
I think you hit the nail on the head. They posted a fraction of a timeslip so we wouldn’t see the insane 60’
then they posted a fraction of a video so you wouldn’t see the track wheels up close in the first half, and so we wouldn’t see the split times on the clocks (Sacramento shows everything as you go through your run so you know if you’re on pace for something great etc)
They were fully planning on just hanging this out there for a month while they moved the 5 or 10 kits they’re stuck with.
[quote]The DA was around -500 since they don’t mention that key point… http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-altitude-calculator.php?temperature=55.0&rh=62&altset=30.25&elevation=30&track=132&month=12&day=5&year=2015&time=1:53%20PM
So basically a gutted luxury sedan, running slicks, with a bigger blower and no exhaust runs .5ish faster and traps a little more than 1 mph more than a stage II car that is full weight, street tires and full exhaust and having shifting problems in 500-600 worse DA… Got it…
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While your car trapped 123, I don’t think it did so on a good run, so let’s wait to see what you trap when everything works. Bad first half can see bigger MPH. Your car was struggling it’s face off with the gear changes on that pass. By the same token, they went 125 on their 11.1-11.2 runs. Just so we’re fair. Now…that does nothing for the stage 3 case lol. Best for best, I reckon your car would indeed go 11.2 @ 122.5-123 on a good run, and they’d run around the same in street trim, so the stage 3 thing is afucking joke no metter how you slice it.
[quote]Wonder what the car would run with 300lbs of interior like it should have, another 30lbs of exhaust like it will have on the street, and street tires? What I don’t wonder is what my car would run gutted, on slicks and with no exhaust… Why don’t I wonder that? Because I don’t give a fuck and would never run like that… But hey props to EC for having the first B8/8.5 S4 in the 10’s.
Finally, nice they show their loyal support to APR by running the AMS cooler setup…
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Eurocode is a dealer for a few companies, and loyalty has never been their strong suit. They held a dyno day so a revo car would come in and they could copy REVO code to send over to APR. Weren’t they also a revo dealer? lol. They’re a mess. This also doesn’t say much abotu APR’s character either. Or in fact it says a lot. They’re just as dirty.
oh but it’s not their kit…they’re not involved
wink wink
[QUOTE=neverfastenough;11243744]Again as I mentioned already. Look at the current records and compare to what they’ve done. The quickest is half a second slower. If you want apples to apples for your specific car, pull the seats, run race fuel and see what you can run. They you’ll know first hand.
It takes a lot of time, money and patients to get to the track for a day/weekend, and expecting a retailer of a product to go out and do 1/4 testing for every fuel grade, and every mod list on their own dime is ludicrous.
The way I see it is no other B8 S4 has hit these times no matter what the mod list… which makes this comparable and holds weight IMO.
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Yes, my car is about .5 slower that’s about all you have correct… I have no fucking interest in pulling my interior and putting in a lawn chair to run a better ET, this is a fucking Audi not a drag car. Yes, I want to see apples to apples but I’m not selling anything here and 99.9% of us that hit the strip do so with our interiors in tact, street tires, and full exhaust.
LOL! Are you fucking kidding me on the time and money? This is their fucking job they are trying to sell a part that makes our cars faster they need to find the time and it’s a business expense, I’m guessing you don’t know how general accounting works? Also, I fucking test the shit out of my car at my expense and on my time all while sharing 100% factual and unbiased information even when it doesn’t make APR look good, so fuck you! I’m married with a 4 year old son and have a full time career yet I manage to go…
[QUOTE=neverfastenough;11243816]What I’m saying still holds true, the stage 2 record was set with weight reduction and high octane fuel. And the weight reduction did little to his times as he stated.
So lets take the weight and other things out of the equation… you’re asking for 91 and 93 numbers… which again none of the record holders have used. So compare the numbers provided to what other record holders have ran.
Not sure why this is so hard for people to grasp. You want fast times, well compare them to the other fast times that were set, which were not done on 91 and 93oct. There’s literally like 4-5 folks who’ve even hit 11’s on 93.
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My weight reduction was spare and jack removed, it’s in my fucking attic I never have it in the car but all my seats were in and I had a full exhaust EVERYTIME! If you really don’t think 300+ lbs or approximately 8% of the total weight of the car being removed will do little than you’re more clueless than you sound. It’s probably .15-.2 in et and 1-1.5mph. So subtract that 1-1.5mph and I’m already trapping the same or better than that car, you do understand trap speed is more an indicator of the cars power/potential?
I ONLY run race gas so I could care less about pump time. Yes I run it all the time even when driving on the street does EC run this car on race all the time? I bet they drive around w/o seats, exhaust and on slicks too, right?
So here I’ll recap since you’re slow… I ran .5 worse ET with full interior, street tires and full exhaust. The DA was 500-600 worse and my tcu tune wasn’t working correctly. Yet I still trapped only a little over 1mph slower. Now if you can’t grasp that then I’m not sure what to say. If I line up with this car at a stoplight and it’s in “street trim”, I probably win the race! LOL!
11.0 @ 120mph…
Where did you get the Sonoco 110? I’m also in Bay Area.
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Was that a 2015+ C63 with the 4.0T?
yup. and this is why slicks need to go. They allow slow (relatively speaking but 120 = stage 2 power not stage 2+ $8,000 power) cars to mask underperformance with excellent ET . Reality is the stage 3 cars are stage 2 fast. And with slicks they’re irrelevant for comparison which is what our dragastrip list is for. We’re not running a no holds barred dragstrip time contest for a shitty trophy. We’re creating a database for comparison of modifications. When shitty mods look good thanks to a track tire nobody uses in real life, it becomes cloudy.
Please vote however you feel.
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I found a place in hayward, a mom and pop motor shop, called Bob Wirth R&D. They are a sunoco dealer, and they have a 55 gallon drum in their backyard… its kind of ghetto, but I have got it from them 3 times now. You should meet me at the track. I need to meet the infamous westwest.
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Yes. That car had slicks too.
Regarding the weight, my car was 3590 pounds dry with 1 seat, or 3788 flat with a fuel load and my skinny ass in it. I’ve got a passenger seat so I’m over 3800 again.
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I found a place in hayward, a mom and pop motor shop, called Bob Wirth R&D. They are a sunoco dealer, and they have a 55 gallon drum in their backyard… its kind of ghetto, but I have got it from them 3 times now. You should meet me at the track. I need to meet the infamous westwest.
Yeah I’m game to go to Sacramento on a Saturday this winter or Sonoma in the spring when Wednesday night drags opens again. You should consider the Audi Golden Gate Club event at Thunderhill on January 8 weekend. Registration is still open.
Thanks for the fuel tip. So I show up with a 5 gallon plastic container, cash and carry? Seems legit.
I’m considering a C63. I don’t think the S is worth it because both editions tune to the same very high horsepower number. The problem is the tune is $2500 and the ECU is buried in the engine so you have to remove the front of the car to get to it, so it’s a $5k job total. I believe that car would need slicks because the stock tune overpowers the rears. A tuned car does 0-60 in 4 seconds of traction light.
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