If I knew then what i know now I would have never signed up on this forum and given it as many views as I did.
knowing how much you have added to the B5 game over the years. I think we can expect that you will help eigher burry the tial debate or help gain some interest.
If there is one thing we know about you. You might not have the best on line edditik but you don’t Bull shit
No one here has issues with the Tial turbos its more with the lack of results and the attempt to play graphs as a probable test for quality
Hey champ. Im sure the guys here will definitely get good solid information from you. good to see you.
Tial??? what?? what happened to your single turbo car? Was that you? How do you go from that monster to anything less. Not saying that Tials are less as I don’t think anyone here cares. I think everyone wants to see a solid cost effective option. Seems the debates about the Tials are no different then they have been when it came to all the other turbos of the past. You have been around long enough to see almost every turbo. So this debate isn’t anything new to you
This is my setup, if you want to read more about it visit other forums.
So great to have another old schooler. I have said the same thing 200x. No one is going to doubt that your the most hardcore of B5 guys. So Its clear with as many times around the block you have been that many are going to have to sit up an listen to your words. I think you will find that they will be applauded for honesty. As I said I fully agree with your tial comments. Ive said the EXACT same thing to Several people Ive talked to about the tial debate. The definitely have there place exactly where that place is, is where the debates start.
Honestly F this tial stuff can you please post your build thread for your single turbo. It got deleted from AZ. While I never go on AZ I did enjoy what you were doing. I would love to hear and see more of that.
Its great to see two B5 cars on this site that everyone in the enthusiast circle would enjoy to have
Welcome to AR!! I like to see when people try something different. Definitely post more of your build.
the AMD guy seems to preach that Tials are big-boost, big-octane only turbos. He said the same about 605s a while back. Not sure how useful that is in the real world.
lol, great first post.
Welcome, if you have time a writeup on the maxed out 770 car and your single turbo work would be a great read.
Looking real nice Jared…
Anyone see the audizine post by sexican with his 605 dyno and highway pull? He’s another AMD customer proud of his dyne sheet who said he won’t be doing any drag racing… He prefers to “stretch my legs out”… I feel like my legs are pretty stretched out at the end of a 1/4 mile pass… lol… Anyway, i believe he dynoed a little over 500 on AMD’s dyno, he doesn’t know what size injectors are in his car, and there is a video of him making a highway pull against a stock turbo s4… The video doesn’t really look all that impressive… Maybe i’m wrong, but I would expect a 500+whp s4 on the highway to pull away like that from a stage 3 car, not a K03 car… I hope some tial guys get to the track this season, I don’t know much about the tial’s, but that car didn’t look like it was moving hard at all… My car only made high 5’s on a dynojet and everyone claims amd’s dyno is a heartbreaker, so I guess my car and that car really only have a 50 or so whp difference… My car squats and moves out when I get on it, that car just doesn’t seem to do that. Not hating, I’m just curious what other people think of that.
Welcome to the revolution. Hopefully you an nyc can turn this platform back around
lol @ the baskin robins comment
First off, ‘Sexican’ made 475, not 500. Second off, he won’t drag race because his clutch is .5 seconds away from exploding. 3rd, it’s Nico, making fun of him is just natural.
It must feel good to be a gangster while dishing out 31 origional flavors.
Why don’t we just change the name of this forum to “hating on tial turbos, their friends, their owners, and shops that have installed them”. It’s long, I know, but it would be a more accurate description of what happens here lol.
Welcome aboard. I’m glad I can post on a forum with old school guys where it doesn’t take me hours to look through it like QW.
In all seriousness, none of us think they are gods gift to S4s but they aren’t the S4’s “succubus”. I can tell you that from approx the 250 logs I have on my computer of various 3.0L and 2.7L stock manifold turbo combos. (I have not logged a 770 car), the 605s on the 3.0L performed the best in a 3rd gear pull. All done on the same stretch of road etc, etc. that is just what I have found to be true. On 20 psi it was faster than any RS6, RS6 hybrid, KO4, KO4 hybrid, KO4 on race gas. All of it.
saw the video. Worst video ever. a highway pulll in heavy traffic from 50-80. Way to go!
If someone builds their car and flashes the dyno sheet…then immediately warns everyone that they won’t go to the dragstrip, you really have to wonder how anyone can get on us for being suspicious of these guys.
I’ll ask tweets and burningcoals…do you not find stuff like this weird?
When the majority of the performance forum world (from stock Civics to built 8 and 9 second UR turbo’d cars) looks to the quarter mile as the benchmark, but a particular group of cars (in b5 land, anything AMD/EPL and in B6/7 land anything PES/VFeng.) avoids the dragstrip like the plague…then finally goes and struggles to run anywhere near the dyno sheet…and then that group tries to discredit the dragstrip…do you see how everyone else raises their eyebrows?
See here’s the thing. You take this entire forum as ‘hating on Tials’
Let’s really look at that. There’s a couple of Tial threads specifically. There’s a thread wondering about EPL’s tuning acumen. There’s a couple of Tial arguments here or there. And there’s a joke posted by snowtrooper here.
There are also another 500 threads and another 10,000 posts that have absolutely nothing to do with Tials or EPL or AMD or you or burningcoals. Take it easy. You’ll never have everyone liking the stuff you like.
Certain B5 owning members have talked a bunch of shit about the 4.2 in their brief time here, and even more on other forums. You think we should change the name of this forum to ‘fuck the 4.2’?
Bottom line is what you’re seeing isn’t ‘hate’. It’s an open discussion, and people are talking about facts. The thing is those facts are raised on other forums…you’re just not used to seeing this discussion run free this way since the AMD and EPL guys can’t call in the Audizine mall cops to delete posts or shut down discussion that shines a light on the weaknesses of the cars’ performance record. Get used to it! The whole forum was created to allow free and open discussion about all kinds of products for all kinds of Audis. Whining and calling everyone haters (people who have no stake in the game and see the cold hard truth) won’t get you anywhere. Posting killer numbers and proving the validity of the setup will shut everyone up, as you and Jason@AMD and burningcoals and DSHOT and everyone have been told. Hiding like Sexican? That’ll just throw more fuel on the fire.
The forum name isn’t Audi-Same-Old-Advertiser-Censored-Content-Led-By-Sycophants-And-Apologists.com It’s called AudiREVOLUTION…for a reason.
Where to start…
Ok, first of all I was speaking in a satirical voice and now that it has been serious-ified I will address my real thoughts.
Tial turbos for the S4 have not had the best track record when you look back to the beginning. With that aside, we can all agree the build quality has gotten much better. As far as the 4.2 hating I will have to go count the threads and see who wins in the hate thread numbers. Though it has taken almost 8 years to get a 4.2 in the 11’s lol (excuses have been made, btw what is the difference between excuses and the facts? A lot of times the description of what happened gets written off as excuses). With that said in the incomplete sentence that came before this sentence, I have a new respect for the 4.2, especially in seeing what a stock airbox can do for the S6.
As far as Audizine goes, I don’t see it as this limp-dick discussion forum that I hear it described as. It is a place with some patience for kids who are new. It has some really cool builds going on as well as Data. BTW KillerS4 has started to post videos, nothing but FATS times but it has begun! We still discuss things, sometimes a bit more civilized, sometimes things are said with no grounds or education behind it, which is something you will find everywhere. Jason@AMD isn’t an advertiser, he throws no advertiser weight there and to my knowledge Tony doesn’t try to ban people or lock threads often. They have let multiple Jfonz threads run wild…
I know that proving is the only way to show, to anyone, that maybe this horrible person a lot of you think Jason is, isn’t a scam. I have dealt with scams, i know what it looks and feels like to be bent over. Jason shit talks, jason doesn’t know everything, jason has only, really built cars that kick ass on the High-Way. Is it weird that it seems to be the case they do well everywhere but the 1/4mile? Yes, and frankly, I know he wonders why as well. Does it mean his cars don’t make power…? I don’t think so, though I guess the trap speeds seem to be against me I hope this summer things change.
What I urge this website to stay aware of is, the difference between honest and respectful discourse AND slander. If this is truly a “Revolutionary” website, it will stay respectful, state facts while not needing to belittle someone in a non-intellectual manner.
So, I’ve invented some words, made some run-on sentences but, I have spoken my peace.
Also, Sexican did not race a K03 car expecting to post it up and brag about it. Come on guys… seriously, we’re going to address a video of that nature. That’s disappointing to hear that you think it is him “hiding”. I think that is not at all what was happening there. He never once says anything that suggests he thought it was a GOOD kill or race or example of how fast his car is. If forums are such serious business, as they seem to be nowadays, lets be serious with what we address.
Well put. I’ll also add that sexican had just picked his car up. As for heavy traffic, welcome to the NW.
I didn’t say Sexican was hiding by racing a k03 car. I just thought it was a useless video. I don’t think he’s using the video to say ‘look how great my car is’.
He’s hiding by saying he won’t go to the dragstrip. That’s what I was referring to.
Anyway, you can write lots of stuff to win people over (although shit talking the 4.2 again in your post above is pretty fucking stupid) but until the Tial cars start to produce some good timeslips, people who use the 1/4 mile as a measuring stick (a.k.a. the grand majority of the enthusiast world) will remain skeptical. Jason being a douchebag on forums cements that skepticism.
Whoa, sweet thread dudes…
as far as this Tial bashing, hopefully people realize the first part was in jest and only because I too think its absolutely pointless to build an s4 or any car to these levels we are seeing and then just want to brag about roll on times or dyno numbers (or post a thread about your expensive dyno graph). Tial as a turbo manufacture or modification company is absolutely one of the best in the world. The tial products have a place for sure, especially in times of difficult supply on other bolt on options. i do not however like certain peoples marketing that you can just slap either on and have an animal. the b5 s4 market is plagued by liars (as much customers as biz) and illusionists who fool people into thinking that its a simple formula and blammo, success. I obviously use tial parts in my own stuff.
on the whole AMD/EPL thing, they are not Tial, they are not even the same company, they do not make the turbos, they did not design the kits. Johhny Cohen (b5 s4 OG) created these and tial produced them, in the USA, thats a big deal to me because they are an honest and legit product that I have literally seen over the course of years go from concept to reality. when put on a car with supporting mods both are 100% capable as advertised as a TURBO. AMD is a legit little shop, people who bash them like they are against the man crack me up, leave that to APR. i have met Jason and dealt with him enough to know he is just a gearhead that is trying to do the best he can and make that fit inline with what his customers want. I wish i could go flog the shit out of every cool car I build, but I cant and neither can he. He also isnt going to force his customers into uncomfortable territory by asking to do it or asking them to. He has a mustang 4 wheel that basically takes up half his shop, it would take up about 75% of mine. I would kill for a dyno that I could sleep next to. If i was Jason you would probably see simulated 1/4 runs and weird simulation load data and it would be even more annoying than you think he is. truth. I think the focus needs to be on calling out people if you want to call anyone out. not the shop owner or biz that just assembles or tunes the thing. let them make claims about most powerful whatever. who cares, who knows in the end.
I dont know tony from EPL very well but from a business standpoint he has been nothing but 100% to me and businesses i have worked for. I, at a time was going to be his west coast/bay area dealer but STaSIS asked me not to. He is just a software tuner who was the first to embrace the tial market. Other people tune tial 650 and 770 kits. nothing is more important on any turbo / engine combo than good tuning.
"492whp 453wtq @28psi with 100% meth " in his thread.
Anyway, interesting perspective snowtrooper. What do you think of Jon Cohen’s TVS1900 and TVS2300 kits for the B7 RS4?
If its who I suspect it is I wouldn’t worry about that, last I heard he has 2 R8s