I was between a 2009 Orange GTR similar to this one and the S5. Bought the S5 because it looks so much better but Im sure if I would have driven the GT-R the performance may have trumped the S5 looks BUT i always rationalized once I supercharge S5 I would be much happier in the long run! Didnt expect the 2013 GT-R to be so much faster than the 2009s!
http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/attachments/f152/75084d1204310756-other-gtr-colors-orange-gt-r5.bmp
^^ I’ve never been inside a GTR but I imagine there are few interiors nicer than the S5’s. GT-R for out and out speed, S5 for a daily driver you can live with.
The interior of the GTR isn’t bad. Not plush, and not something for a long trip (more than 400 miles let’s say).
One of my best friends bought one so I have had the enjoyment of riding around in it quite a bit and driving it once or twice. Amazing vehicle, ridiculous speed, fantastic handling, especially for a car that was under $100k. If I had not been so dead set on getting the RS4, I would have gotten the GTR.
Maybe some day.
So for $15k you can transform a stock 2010 GTR from a mid-low 11sec car to a high-mid 9sec car! WTF…
http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?/topic/76932-the-quest-for-nines-live-blog-from-mir/
It is impressive.
I was delighted to see that the AMS Alpha 6 package is about $8K (to start) in parts (labor not included). But, this is a package that can be DIY. To upgrade to the Alpha 9 is an easier transition once you have the 6 in place. I’m sure you can piecemail the package together for less money but I would probably stick with the proven packages from AMS.
The Alpha 6 package is capable of 10.6 with traps around 130 on pump!
http://alphagtr.com/alpha/models/alpha-6-package/
I think it provides an increase over stock of roughly 120HP!
It’s a simple philosophy, make the breathing in and out more efficient. Tune is a major player obviosuly but this is as safe and reliable as one can get on stock internals. I’d imagine myself going Alpha 6 after the first 10K-15K miles of ownership and not going further until 50K plus miles. Would be a nice improvment over stock which is already impressive imo.
franly stock GTR performance is just fine by me unless you’re a dragstrip addict and are ultra competitive.
I don’t think I’d mess with supercars, modification wise. Just leave them as they are.
Funny I just watched the Top Gear episode from 2011 when they took the updated GTR around the track - watching Jeremy sweep past the Murcielago SV, Enzo and Veyron to park it at 1:17.8 - impressive stuff for a Nissan you can throw a billion miles on just doing oil changes.
It was also featured in Jeremy’s independent film last year. “Powered Up.” Using a high frame rate camera, they demonstrated that it launches faster than the Mclaren MP412C. And using a radar gun they demonstrated that it held high speed corners better than every other car in the film. Ferraris, Porsches, Lambos. And it was killing them. What was a 95mph corner for the others was a 105mph corner for the GTR. Then Jeremy declared that nothing they could take around that corner could beat the Nissan.
So I’m also a little perplexed as to why you’d want to tinker with something that’s already a world beater straight out of the box.
because race car
Well you’re asking the question in the wrong forum from a demographic standpoint. We own Audis. I suggest polling the thousands of AMS/Switzer/Agency/Ivey etc customers out there who do own GTR’s and modify them. Aside from that, I assume you are directing the question to me since I posted about a theoretical plan about a potential future car purchase - why do people modify super cars at all? Why is there a thriving aftermarket for Lambos/Ferraris/P-Cars/Merc’s etc?? There is an obvious HUGE demand or none of these companies would be in business.
Changing the air filters, freeing up the exhaust path and using a tune that can take advantage of the first two to make the car more efficient is not a huge deal imo. I didn’t say Alpha 12 package with built internals and increased bore with bigger turbos etc. I said Alpha 6 (intake, tune & exhaust.) Possibly Alpha 9 down the road, still stock block and internals and mild boost with larger turbos. The Alpha 6 mods will not affect handling or braking, or any creature comforts they will however make the car faster reliably. I’m perplexed at the thought you might wonder why that wouldn’t be a b-e-n-e-f-i-t. I guess it comes down to personal preference.
The 2013 GTR’s performance out of the box is insane. Will always be “enough” for me and quite frankly I will never be at a level that I can use all of it on a track. BUT - who doesn’t like a little more “go” than the next guy?
Intake/tune/exhaust. I’m ok with on a “supercar.” JMO. I would also be ok with adding LW wheels and tires.
he seems to be saying ‘can it really get much better?’…rather than launching an attack at you. Note he never named you or directed any of it at you. he was just saying they’re so competent stock that it would seem weird to mess with what appears to be a nearly perfect car.
I may have misinterpreted the intention.
How about this:
-The car out of the box is massively impressive.
-Is there really any “need” to improve upon the performance? No probably not. Unless you are racing at a -competetive level.
-Do I agree some cars are best left as is? Yes
-I do also feel that AMS in particular is a solid company with reliable, safe modifications at the earlier stages of modification. IE; Alpha 6 for example. A package along those lines is acceptable to me. There really is a noticeable improvment over stock and the ride quality and over all reliability remains the same as stock. To me that’s the perfect combo.
My apologies if I over reacted and became defensive.
All good.
I’m not as sure as Saki is about the innocence of that last “perplexed” comment and I’m a “lover not a fighter” but whatever… lol!
I think NY07RS4 hit the nail on the head with his last comment “I guess it comes down to personal preference”. That’s really it…
P.S. In my dream GTR build it’s an Alpha 9 with a 4.4L built engine and a stage 3 shep trans. That should get me 820-850WHP (easy) and same TQ on 94 octane and an additional 100 WHP/WTQ on 104 but provide massive TQ downlow where, in my opinion, even the stock GTR could use some work. Now if you want something that is more all-round performance (dragstrip, track, etc.) that would be a Switzer USE (though I’d be a bit concered about the turbo spool characteristics)
End Day Dream/
^^^ that’s because you haven’t known the new Bruno for ten years
^^^ that is true.
Their performance is staggering to say the least, and the 2013 models really upped the ante, but I was very shocked how cramped the interior felt for how massive the car is. When you see it parked next to other cars (say the B7 S4, and realize it’s only a coupe, you’d think the interoir wild be pretty spacious. But Saki would certainly have a hard time living with it and I might not even be able to do it as a DD.
punch out the back glass and he can sit on the trunk lid
^^ haha love it. Reminds me of that Spyker Jeremy tested in Top Gear.
Ha, “it’s a drug crazed pornographer with a penchant for euthanasia and a boyfriend”