Yes,l you caught me I am a thief and a swindler. That was how I paid for my Audi.
Before this gets any more out of hand.
I was trying to help give you some background on the shop and people you used. I didn’t make up the information i was sharing. I said. Didn’t i share knowledge about the shop and the tune you might not have known about. I’m not saying you can’t be pig in shit happy about a good bad stolen or just tossed together tune. You asked a question and I wanted to let you know there might be more variables at play.
From my understanding your pulley stage 2 tune is well below the standard from the other well known company’s. So for the tuner to say it’s down hp would make sense. Due to the fact you will quickly find out your hp is below that of others.
Is OP related to skywagon?
(in jest)
Glad you like your tune.
I don’t see what got the OP so riled up. Not everyone will agree with what everyone. It’s learning from discussion. If you’re looking for people to high five you and agree with you (without any meaningful discussion), AZ is probably a better avenue for that. But if you want to learn as a whole, this is a great forum for that. Just be a straight shooter and open to learning (even the “knowledgeable” guys here are always learning) and help figure things out together.
You stole about 5 minutes of my life that I will never get back, that is for sure.
Do you realize your help is negative and opinion. Without side by side runs down the strip on the same day, or side by side runs on the same dyno, you can’t possible state with any facts that my tune is above or below some other tune. Dyno aren’t calibrated against each other, you yourself said dyno numbers can be manipulated.
Just give it a rest.
My original question has never been addressed. Does a DSG have more or less parasitic loss. Or does heavier tires and wheels cause any significant drive train loss. I sure know that larger tires get worse gas milage as they have more rolling surface in contact with the road.
There’s a sucker born every min… your an example. Welcome. Try reading understand what’s going on around you. I understand you want to still believe in Santa so do I. Realize help in the form of what everyone but you sees to see is help. Sorry you didn’t like what you heard.
Anything can be negative if the person receiving the information doesn’t want to listen. We are telling you what you just bought, unfortunately you didn’t do your research and you probably have a mediocre at best tune on your car. you seem to be involved in the forums somewhat…why not ask for advice when you are handing over the ECU to your car.
We aren’t trying to put you down, but you made a poor decision.
Who cares if the DSG has more parasitic loss…that only matters on a dyno. Even if the DSG does, it makes up the power loss by how fast it shifts compared to a manual. That sounds like a big fat excuse you were fed.
More bingo. Sounds like he didn’t want to hear what now several people have said noticed known and talked about.
My guess would be yes, heavier tires/wheels should cause lower performance numbers on the dyno. This is certainly the case at the 1/4 mile (which is the best performance test). But I don’t understand what you are comparing…you are comparing a different 6MT car to yours? Seems like there are a lot of factors at play, so I’m not sure how you can compare the 2 cars in a statistically significant way with a delta of 10 HP.
Pretty sure the DSG redline is also lower than the 6MT, so in theory, you could lose HP there.
But I believe people use chassis dynos (in hub instead of roller based) to do more formal testing…reduces noise factors from the measurement.
On the road this drive loss is true. On rollers heavy wheels depending on the dyno can help due to the fact that they carry more momentum. A dyno measures the cars ability to resist the dyno. Taller heavy tires help in that fashion and that they lower the total gear ratio. Lowered total gear ratio will help with tq and hp. This is why you see people trying to dyno in 4th gear for higher readings
Ironic
Where did I say he stole an Apr map? I’m not sure what you’re asking me these questions for.
Justin speculated you bought a stolen Apr map
You said ‘what’s the big deal , stealing tunes is OK, everyone does it, and besides, Apr stole the map from audi’ (paraphrased)
I explained that what Apr does and what a tune thief does are very different. I even explained it for you.
I also gave you a little history on your tuner and what he has admitted to.
The fact that some lsx guys tuner their own cars and share maps is one thing. That happens on the b5 and older platform for the audis. The difference being it is generally one of two groups
A) poor people who can’t afford to pay a tuner so they steal and tweak an established tune that has been file shared. Lots of kids.
B) fiddlers who want to figure it out and do it themselves
The one common thread about those two groups is that they suck at tuning. We have some 500 times on the fastest cars board and the only self tuned car that is fastest or even top 25 for its platform was self tuned by someone who later became the head calibrator for JHM and who APR has contracted to help with some of their projects. He also works on the OEM side of the industry so he’s not really a self tuned car kind of guy. It would be like Jordan Spieth entering club championships and winning by 25, and calling him a great club player.
He answered you above regarding the wheels. You were too busy getting mad to realise your question was answered ages ago.
P. S. Are you saying jconz doesn’t know about drive train loss on a DSG car? That would mean you’re the only DSG car he has tuned so far. Lololol… There are about 65+70 percent DSG 3.0T S45 out there vs about 1/3 manuals. If you’re the first dsg he has tuned, that explains why they keep bankrupting company names.
I think you did a good job here - unfortunately the OP got bent out of shape when the feedback was negative. If he learns anything from this exercise he will realize some of the most helpful advice is negative. He may be happy with the tune but…how much happier would he be with a competitors tune?
I always think about the initial tune on my B7. I had a GIAC tune and I was happy - then I got my JHM tune. Suddenly my previous tune wasn’t so great.
Thanks Jupiter.
It’s easy with most guys on AR because we cut the information straight. Some people just want to hear what they want to hear.
When searching for answers on why more power wasn’t there i tried to give some more information that could add more options to the equation other then rims and a transmission. As I said in don’t care who tuned his car or if he did zero research. But when you have a question and your not waning all the information to possibly help get you to a more informed conclusion I guess that reaction is what happens.
Nice NICETTS when you read this thread again and I’m sure some point in time you will. Let me plainly say. I don’t care about tuners or tuner wars. I have suggested every one from APR JHM GIAC to MRC… when it made sense. I wasn’t tying to bash your tuner I was trying to help give you more information you might not have known. Obviously lots of people avoid that shop and those tunes. For several reasons. W either you wanted to know that or not. I was just looking to help
And thank you sakimano for also helping try to explain what we all know and wanted to make sure NICETTS was aware of.