The tuner noticed that he usually sees about 10 more HP on 6 speed cars. I wonder if it could be the heavy tires and wheels. 19x9.5 Niche with Comp T/A 265’s.
The low rpm Torque is down because he rolled on the throttle later to stop the downshift the tranny does.
What do you guys think?
http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv257/BRD-PREY/LIZOTE%20STOCK%20VS%20STAGE%202_zpswmoxu8rd.png
I think you might have just paid for a stolen APR tune. Lots of lolz about solo. If i understand right and who knows with all these shops it seems solo might be the shop that has a tuner that has had 3 or 4 failed tuning company’s each of them accused of selling stolen tunes.
Chances are your hp is what it is because it’s just not a good tune or its a old version of another company.
The only thing to think about is that the car made more tq and hp stock on the stock tune by quite a bit and it never down shifted. I think you got fed a ton of bs on that part. There is a good chance the car actually lost hp and tq in that range
Well a stolen tune from APR who moves maps around inside the ecu. Pretty strong accusation, do you have any proof? He told me he had some bullshit accusations directed at him. He offered to send his code to an independent verification firm over those accusations. He was above the board with me and I am far from the average consumer! I have done my own tuning on LS motors with EFI live. Everyone starts with some kind of files from someone else. Are you telling me APR didn’t look at the factory maps to start their tuning. I’m quite satisfied with 4 hours on a dyno and a pulley install for over $1000 less than a local APR dealer charges.
This was meant to casue a technical discussion as to whether heavy tires and wheels could eat up 10 HP on a all whell mustang dyno. Simple as that, unless your requesting my testimony in some kinda legal affair.
100hp at $14 a hp is no rip off to me!
Funny that I bring up the same things that he said to you isn’t it. Odd or actually not odd at all. You might want to ask around next time. Lash out at me all you want I’m looking our for you. And sorry everyone else doesn’t have to look at other people’s tunes only the ones that steal them. Take a second and think about your statement. Who makes the files for everyone to look at.
I have been a supporter of the tuner of solo even though he has a bad rep and continues to have one. He even admitted on this site to using stolen tunes and stolen parts of tunes. I’m not saying you can’t be happy with your tune stolen or not. I’m just saying when you loose hp over stock and you are wondering why I offered a little insite…
I misspoke I didn’t lose HP over stock! My car has 10 hp less than other 3.0T cars with a stick shift. I offered is maybe its the wheels and tires not the DSG.
Its about impossible to put a smaller wheel (faster supercharger spin up) and lose power down low.
He did not have the pedal to the floor at the lower rpm so the transmission didn’t kick down a gear. The car is noticiable pulling all the way from idle much harder.
But hey you can ask FastEddie, he is my son and will be driving the car Thursday!
The only part of the graph I am talking about is top HP.
Down low you can read the dyno sheet and see you lost hp and tq. The claim was this was to stop the car from downshifting. Well of you were getting a tune and a dyno run turn off the down shift in the ecu for the tune run on the dyno
A dyno is a measurable way of calculating resistance. Bigger heavy rims help fight the resistance on a dyno and depending on the dyno will make no difference or actually help the car show a bigger hp gain on the dyno. So no it wasn’t the rims.
It is possible if the tq setting get tripped. Honestly you asked a question its not my fault the guy you went to has a shit reputation. Funny he has a shit reputation and you get less then great results and your here asking why and looking for reasons why. Even con man you meet will be very nice to you. You can put a 300$ box on your car and make it faster. Just trying to help
Do you have a problem comprehending the written word?
- I have no problem with my tune.
- The question for discussion is how much the increase in rotational mass effects at wheel horsepower.
- You obviously have a problem with the guy who did the tune.
great suggestion, I will inquire as to why this wasn’t done.
dyno runs done while accelerating in rpm . Increased inertia resistance by larger rotational mass won’t require more HP to overcome. HP which is not measured. doesn’t the dyno provide measureable resistance that how it comes up with torque?
Justin as my father said above, i dont think he is unhappy with his tune at all. I think he moreso just wanted to see what others felt about the 10hp difference between the manual and DSG and what others thought.
In trying to keep this particular thread on track lets answer that part and if you want to talk about jfonz and stealing (or whatever he does) lets move that to his particular thread and link this thread into it.
Yes, there is a dedicated thread to your tuner on this site. I dont know much about him (not my platform) but there seem to be mixed feelings on him. The whole stealing tunes thing can be debated over and over (there is a thread for that).
No need to get into a pissing contest back and forth.
Are you retarded…seriously I’m sorry but
You have a question about why your tune didn’t make the hp you thought it would.
You were placing this as part of your theory why you didn’t make your number.
I don’t give a fuck what you do or who tunes your car. But if you have a question and I can add some insite that you might not know that could possibly be part of your issue and not related to your thoughts I added them. I already said I stuck up for your tuner even tho he has a bad rep and in the past bad results.
Sorry you didn’t want to hear what you heard.
I never said he was or should be unhappy. But he has a question I gave all the information that might help fill in the empty blanks that turn the questions more to the tune then the hardware. Heavy rims help keep the momentum going on most dyno reading thus fighting the loss when the dyno breaks to measure the loss.
Your dad i think you said in a post. Came here and said hey I was told I didn’t make xx power because it’s a DSG car and that they had to roll into the throttle…Ok
He thinks it might be the DSG it might be the tires. Ok let me give you a little more information for you to think about
It might be the shop. They don’t have a great rep.
http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=1467.msg97376#msg97376
it might also be the tune. The tuner doesn’t have the best rep. See the above link for that too. I said chances are the tune might not be good it might be old code from APR. As seen in the link above is normal from that guy.
It could be a number of things. There are a few more to think about and know.
how is an APR tune stolen?
APR are adding their knowledge to the stock parameters to generate power above stock. They didn’t steal anything. They are changing parameters to the stock tune. You are paying for
- their security break
- their changes
- their service
- their testing
If someone takes an APR map and tweaks it and sells it, that’s nothing like what APR does.
You may have missed it because you weren’t a member here, but Josh, Jfonz has admitted on this site that he built his tunes from other files that were shared on theftmoto. That’s probably why he doesn’t have such a great reputation, and that’s probably why he has had 2 failed tuning companies in 3 years. You’re buying from the 3rd, but newsflash, it’s the same shit.
As for your comment about making 100 hp…you made 84 whp and that was on his dyno. i.e. he tells you whatever he wants to tell you. If you’re a tuning guru who tunes LS cars, you also know that waving a dyno sheet as ‘proof’ of concept gets you laughed out of the LS community. For the record, most B8 S45s make between 290-310 whp on the dyno when bone stock. 270 is severely low. If it’s ‘just a heartbreaker dyno’, that means it’s reading 10% lower than the norm…and that means your car with just a tune and pulley is making what would be around 390 whp on a ‘normal’ dyno range. If you believe that I’m concerned with your own ability to read. Becuase you should know that is bullshit.
To date, we have seen zero 1/4 mile records from anyone with any of these guys 3.0T tunes, other than their ‘600 whp turbo/supercharged monster’ that ran 12.2 @ 117 lol.
I am not nor ever claimed to be a guru. I do know my way around an LS ECU a little. I also know you have a given map say for timing. Factory goes from say 5 to 30 degrees over a given set of parameters like load vs rpm or so one tuner goes in and changes timing to say 7 to 35 degrees. I am expect that some great trademark effort? The next guy better not use 7 to 35. It nice in the LS world people share their maps and knowledge. This community is a little more cut throat. That is too bad.
As far as the dyno goes as far as I am concerned no 2 are alike. Its a comparison tool nothing more for before and after.
Again why is this being hashed out here and not in court. How do you personally know he stole someones intellectual property?
Did you personally look at his ECU tuned dump and compare it to someone else?
It would be a much better community if people shared their knowledge. Their really is enough to go around.
Really I am just sorry I tried to get an answer about the top 10 hp higher wheels and tire theory.
It won’t happen again, I will keep my posts to my DIY.
to your point 1) I guess I have never been tested, I am sure your an expert on that too.
to your point 2) I never had ANY expectation of my tune, It was Josh that mentioned the 10 HP and he was wondering if it was the transmission. I thought about it and since the DSG in a way is really a computer controlled manual but with dual input shafts I though it could have more mass. But a manual has a larger flywheel and clutch. So I didn’t know. I then remember the the heavier wheels and tires and say I wonder if that could be contributing.
I just don’t know how to put it any words you might understand. I have said 3 or more times. COMPLETELY SATISFIED WITH THE TUNE I GOT FROM SOLOMOTORSPORTS. I don’t think there is any horsepower left sitting around to tweak out and remain safe for a daily driver.
Seriously take a second and reread what you wrote
isn’t that what I tried to do with you. Didn’t i share knowledge about the shop and the tune you might not have known about. I’m not saying you can’t be pig in shit happy about a good bad stolen or just tossed together tune. You asked a question and I wanted to let you know there might be more variables at play.
You must also be a dishonest person to type that up and think its even remotely logical.
Thanks I didn’t want to have to say that.
Thanks for showing us your tuner has no idea what’s going on. Its always exciting when the guy tuning the car knows less about the car then you. Momey well spent for you. Well researched lolz
Apparently everyone but you knows why you saved money on your tune. When the tuner and the tune isn’t worth much they don’t charge much. Again just so you know. A few guys are REALLY SATISFIED WITH THE 300$ PIGGIE BACK BOX THEY PUT ON THERE CAR.