Ok peeps I finally had a chance to get out with my buddy and film some runs. And for good measure we brought out another friend with his APR stg 2. No film on those runs - he didn’t want to do anymore so we never got a chance.
The participants break down as follows:
My car - 2011 DSG APR stage 1, K&N drop in, Magnaflow x pipe, Magnaflow mufflers
Revo car - 2012 6MT, Roc Euro intake, full AWE exhaust, Revo version 2
Stg 2 car - 2010 6 MT, stock exhaust, stock air box, APR stage 2
• All runs on 91 Oct
• Passenger weight equal between the Revo car and mine
• 100 lbs passenger weight advantage in favor of the Stg 2 vs both of the other cars
Run 1 - Revo car versus APR stage one car. Slow roll, both cars in first gear.
Run 2 - same matchup. Slow roll from second gear.
Most of you have read my prior posts on the Revo car and have seen my description of how much it’s beating me – these clips show what that looks like.
Now to the interesting part and where I would ask for some input. After those runs, I ran the Stg 2 car. To illustrate by how much he beat me, simply watch the first video. The run was very similar – edging out the Revo car by a touch. To be honest I was shocked that he didn’t walk me much harder.
Later the Stg 2 car and Revo car ran. As stated above, the delta between those two cars was negligible. The Stg 2 car pulled but not by much.
How do I break this down?
APR Stg 1 vs Revo
Things that are probably helping the Revo car:
• We know the tune is aggressive to the point of some failures “somewhere”. Case in point - he has had all of his fuel injectors blow out and recently had a down pipe fail – replaced under warranty by AWE. Is the Revo tune causing that? Maybe. Pretty suspicious. Advantage Revo
• 6MT lighter and geared differently perhaps. – Advantage Revo
• Roc Euro intake – I think these are proven to show gains especially when the car is at speed (lower IAT’s) no doubt this is doing something.
Advantage Revo
• AWE Exhaust – may be helping a bit, but from what I understand, full exhaust on these cars isn’t doing too much. Draw
APR Stg 1 vs APR Stg 2
• Exhaust and intake - Let’s just assume that my K&N and exhaust are not making much - Draw
• His 6MT vs my DSG from a roll – Advantage Stg 2
• 100lbs lighter passenger - Advantage Stg 2
With that said, I still expected more from the Stg 2 car. Maybe on a longer run, the delta would have grown for him, but in these blasts up to about 110 or so, not so much.
Bottom line to me – the delta between these 3 cars is making me wonder if the expense to go from Stg 1 to 2 is worth the price of admission. Again, these were all roll runs – nothing done from a dig. Had we done those, I would guess that my car would get an initial jump on both of them (unless they both launched perfectly) with the Stg 2 car catching and passing me sooner.
If I take the Revo car out of the equation because I won’t run that s/w on my car, what am I missing here?
• Could the Stg 2 car be seeing some issues somewhere? Maybe some logs would help.
• Is his stock exhaust holding him back? Debatable.
• OR, is this what you would expect to see between Stg 1 and 2 AND was I expecting too much from that car?
Also, my buddy who has the Stg 2 car, is a bit disappointed to say the least and therefor the reason he just quit with the pulls.
