REVOLUTIONARY RESULTS - Dragstrip Database for B7 RS4 (LINK TO MASTER LIST INSID

UPDATE: September, 2012

THE MASTER QUARTERMILE LIST FOR ALL S/RS PLATFORMS HAS BEEN LAUNCHED!

http://audirevolution.net/quartermile/

Please continue to use this thread to post your results in, and they will be updated on the audirevolution quater mile database.


REVOLUTIONARY RESULTS - Dragstrip Database for B6/7 S4

I wanted to bring this over from another site I posted it on, which I ripped off from justincredible’s post on yet another site lol.

Here’s the list. If you want to be added, we need you to post up a few things, including your modlist for interest’s sake, the date/time/track, as well as 2 timeslips, or a video of the run in question.

if you ran 13.0, 13.5 and 13.8, we’re just going to add your 13.0 run to the list
if you go the next week and run 12.9, with the same modlist, we’ll update to your new time
if you change a couple of parts, and go again and run a worse time…stop buying from PES!
if you change a couple of parts, and go again and run a faster time, we’ll add that time to the list (leaving your initial time in tact).

Without further delay, here is the B7 RS4 list as I am aware of it. Please let me know if there are any additions to be made to the list, or errors that need corrected and I’ll fix it up.

CLICK THE IMAGE TO EXPAND TO FULL SIZE (UPDATED 09-APR-2012)


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I’m wondering if there should be a location/elevation column? At least that will provide some explanation when two(or more) somewhat equally modded RS4’s generate two not so equal times. Yes, there are other factors that come into play, like the weather, driver error, etc, but the elevation usually has a large impact, doesnt it?

You mean to put JHM for the tuning on Keith’s run…yeah

Unfortunately focusing on altitude or density altitude leads to epic keyboard racing that leads to the discounting of good times ‘oh your car is only fast because you ran at good DA’ or excuses ‘if I was at your altitude, I’d be faster’ etc. You ran what you ran and that’s the only way to do this.

As for guys who run at altitude, what I’ll do if you run a ‘bad’ time (relative to the guys at sea level) is put ‘HIGH ALTITUDE’ in the notes section so nobody calls you slow lol.

well, JHM’s tuner gave it to APR so it’s kinda theirs. Of course they sure fucked up honoring their part of the deal (giving JHM credit publicly for it…then recanting). What a mess.

Hopefully APR makes it up to them with something that will serve JHM very well over the coming years.

got 2 updates

  1. 12.94 @ 107.39 stock time by me yesterday. I’ll update the spreadsheet in a couple of days.
  2. 12.291 @ 111.2 Dan @ JHM (Bertworks, Brtworks, Bert o CHO knee, Bear toe key knee) ran yesterday at Sacramento Raceway Park in his full JHM bolt on RS4 (only 6 THOUSANDTHS of a second behind the record 12.285). If this were a straight up race vs. 2000S4’s record NA RS4 time of 12.285, the difference between the two cars at the finish line would have been 11.94 inches (yes I did the math) or less than the width of your computer screen.

Dan ran this time on a 91 octane JHM tune. His 1/8th mile MPH was 91.0 mph…vs. 2000S4’s record setting pass 1/8th MPH of 89.5…so you can see that Dan can really launch and shift his RS4. Unfortunately riding out 4th gear he’s losing out on power to the guys with the JHM 93 octane RS4 tune (2000S4 went from being 1.5 MPH slower at the 1/8th to a full 1.25 MPH faster at the quarter).

Hopefully Dan’ll get a chance to go back but this time on the JHM 93 before his track closes. Any guesses what he’d run? Here’s his info on this recent run

Dan’s run
60’ - 1.83
330’ - 5.134
1/8th ET - 7.894
1/8th MPH - 91.0
1/4 ET - 12.291
1/4 MPH - 111.2

My run

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Wow, great time Dan! Glad to see he’s learning to launch & shift :smiley: jkjk

Glad to see such a strong improvement on the RS4 for such small improvements on parts. It really shows how crucial making the right changes are. Any update on the new clutch setup dan has been testing out is going?

I think his description when I asked him was ‘this clutch is on fucking point!’

Insane results…nice calculation too! ;D

Here’s Dan@JHM’s 12.29 timeslip…

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^Nice! Get that 60’ time to break into the 1.7x with some good weather and that could get really dangerous!

it’s funny, but with JHM launch assist, george was able to cut a 1.77 60 foot time.

I bugged dan about that all day. If he just had a JHMLA tune, he could have been the champ.

So I take it Dan is on a more beta tune testing out some more updates then?

That is pretty funny.

You also brought up a good point. Get dan on some good 93, and I think it’ll help as well.

no, he is just on a 91 octane tune without launch assist because he feels he doesn’t need it.

no 93 octane in California, so it’s really awkward. He needs to load the tune and immediately get a small amount of race gas in there in order to mix it to bump the tank octane from 91 to 93-94, then drive with it to the track, and run. Very complicated. California FTL.

Yea, I’ve never understood why Califonia only gets 91 octane. . . And that’s funny about not needing LA, but a 1.83 60’ isn’t shabby by any means in my book. Agreed though, sprinkle in some special sauce and let her rip.

This is why Cali only gets 91. Found this on a Corvette forum:

[quote]By the time you read this, residents of Nevada and Arizona will have been screwed too. What, you don’t live there? Just wait, you’re next.
It’s not like West Coasters haven’t been screwed before. From roadside smog dynos to tickets for shiny mufflers, we’re used to the man getting us down, but this time they’re hitting us where we eat. This time they’re taking our gas. We already have pretty crappy premium fuel in California. Just like most of the West Coast, we’re stuck with 92 octane, while much of the Midwest and the East Coast got to play with 93 or better. Now, as of August 1, 2001, the best we can get is 91. Time to turn down the boost.

On the off chance you’re only now trading in your Schwinn 10-speed on a twin-turbo Supra, I guess I should stop here and explain what octane is and how it affects your engine.

When fuel is injected into the cylinder, compressed and ignited, one of two things can happen. It either burns quickly and smoothly, shoving the piston down with a strong, even push, or it explodes all at once, releasing its energy in a sudden burst of heat and pressure. This explosion is called knocking or pinging, and it’s something engineers like to call “really bad.”

Knock is usually ill timed, occurring early in the combustion cycle when the crank and rod are still straight up or even worse, still trying to complete the compression stroke. As a result, all the energy released slams into the top of the piston without actually turning the crank. When this happens under stressful enough conditions–like, 20-psi of boost in a Miata–you start breaking things. Usually the ring lands; however, if your pistons are strong enough, you might get lucky and blow a head gasket.

Octane, for those of you still on the bike, is the rating of a fuel’s ability to not do this. The higher the number, the less likely the fuel is to detonate. What this means to us, of course, is the higher the number, the more boost we can throw at that Miata. High-octane gas isn’t just for tuners though. Plenty of stock cars depend on the stuff, including a Celica GT-S with its 11.5:1 compression, or a turbocharged WRX or Volkswagen 1.8T.

These cars rely on high-octane gas to keep from detonating. Feed them 91 octane and they won’t start breaking things, because their knock sensors will see it coming and retard the timing, turn down the boost or otherwise reduce your chances of having any fun.

Whose fault is it this time, CARB? The EPA? The CHP? None of the above. This time we’re being victimized partly by the oil companies, and partly–this is the one that hurts–by ourselves.

You see, when crude oil is refined into gasoline, the refinery doesn’t have all that much control over what comes out. Crude oil is full of all kinds of stuff, and a refinery simply separates it, sorting all the iso-this and hepta-that in order of density. The really heavy stuff, like tar, is near the bottom, while the really light stuff, like butane, is near the top.

Somewhere in the upper ranges of the stack are the components of gasoline. There are between 10 and 15 different blend stocks, each with a different octane rating, which are mixed together to make gasoline.

The crude oil being used and little else determine the amount of each blend stock available for mixing. Generally, if you just dump all the blend stocks into a bucket, you end up with something around 88 or 89 octane. If you’re selective and only mix the good stuff, you can make 92, 93 or even 95 octane. But once you take out the good stuff, you’re left with crap–something like 85 octane. Then you have to leave enough good stuff in the bucket to bring this pee-water up to at least 87 octane. This limits the amount of 95-octane gas you can make. If you make 93-octane premium instead, you use up less of the high-octane stocks, allowing you to make a higher proportion of premium fuel.

In the Midwest, where an extensive customer base of good old boys in pickup trucks consume vast quantities of 87 octane, demand for premium fuel is low enough to make genuine high-octane premium.

In California, however, Lexus-driving executives suck down premium fuel like it’s Evian, so 92 was the rule.

CARB isn’t entirely innocent. Many of its standards for evaporative emissions and misdirected attempts at oxygenation have raised the manufacturing cost of high-octane gas, but it doesn’t seem to be behind the sudden change to 91. Instead, according my super-secret oil industry mole, it all comes back to money. Unocal, you see, has a patent on the 173 easiest ways to make California-friendly 92-octane gas. As a result, every other oil company has to pay Unocal 5.75 cents for every gallon they make using one of these techniques. They haven’t actually been paying it, but that’s an issue for the lawyers to sort out.

Suddenly it’s pretty obvious why our gas sucks, but why doesn’t Unocal still sell us 92? Because it can’t. In 1997, Unocal sold off all its 76 gas stations, and with them, its ability to decide what kind of gas to make. All Unocal can do now islook for oil, suck it out of the ground, and wish it had some way to make everybody else keep using its patents. You see, not only did Unocal screw us, they screwed themselves.

Ironically, the only gas stations in California with anything better than 91 octane are the ones Unocal used to own–the few 76 stations offering 100-octane race fuel. You can locate these elusive stations at www.76.com, but bring your wallet. The current going rate is $6.00 a gallon.
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I can get 95-6 octane, but it’s priced about $1.50 more than 91.

whereabouts?

ironically that’s what we pay for gas all the time (about 1.50 more per gallon than americans)

Sonoco at Infineon raceway. I live 10 minutes from there.

does Infineon have a dragstrip? They do on Forza4 lol.

Of coarse they do! That’s where I always go. It’s busy every open event though, 200+ cars/trucks/motorcycles. Have to wait just over an hour in between runs.